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Why no nukes?
« on: February 16, 2011, 03:49:06 PM »
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howard112211 (965 posts)       Wed Feb-16-11 08:08 PM
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It just occurred to me that one never hears that much about nuclear energy from the american left.
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Just an observation. I'm not exactly a nuclear energy opponent, at least certainly not in the sense of wanting it replaced by fossil energy, but I wonder why this is much more an issue in Europe. I mean, let's take DU as an example. Issues such as labor, economy, civil right etc. are discussed frequently, but I don't remember ever seeing a lot of nuclear energy threads, at least not in GD. In Europe, it seems like this is always a big deal, with massive protests against waste transport and so on. I wonder whether this is only an impression of mine or whether nuclear energy is in fact much less of an issue for the left in America, and if then why.

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1. This member of the left believes Nuclear energy is and always was a very BAD idea. It KILLS at every
 stage and if it were economically feasible it would be developed by the rich bastids advocating for it.

1) you won't let them build

2) if that argument is valid (and it is, if it were true in this context, see Point 1, above) then let's apply that bstandard to high-greed rail

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2011, 03:52:03 PM »
There's a nuke plant less than 40 miles away from me.  It doesn't bother me, and has provided some of the better fishing in the area. Of course you have to overlook the three-eyed fish, but it's a nice lake otherwise.

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2011, 04:10:33 PM »
There's a nuke plant less than 40 miles away from me.  It doesn't bother me, and has provided some of the better fishing in the area. Of course you have to overlook the three-eyed fish, but it's a nice lake otherwise.

Well, there's one nuke 25 miles east of me, one 30 miles west of me, one 40 miles north of me and then there's the Savannah River Project with all that weapons grade stuff 90 miles south of me. The one the gummint runs has all the weird animals, frogs, lizards and the ground water polluted with pluto-nee-yum.
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2011, 04:15:56 PM »
Well, there's one nuke 25 miles east of me, one 30 miles west of me, one 40 miles north of me and then there's the Savannah River Project with all that weapons grade stuff 90 miles south of me. The one the gummint runs has all the weird animals, frogs, lizards and the ground water polluted with pluto-nee-yum.

Kiinda hard to separate the effects of the plant from those of the hydrogen bomb they dropped in the estuary, though.
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 04:25:11 PM »
Kiinda hard to separate the effects of the plant from those of the hydrogen bomb they dropped in the estuary, though.

That H-bomb is a good piece down stream from the plant site.... off the coast if I remember correctly.

...and it's just one of several that we've...uh...misplaced.
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2011, 04:34:19 PM »
That H-bomb is a good piece down stream from the plant site.... off the coast if I remember correctly.

...and it's just one of several that we've...uh...misplaced.

It's in the bay, they think, and fairly close in, likely no farther out than Tybee Island.
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 04:38:44 PM »
More people have died on the job in the wind energy field than the nuclear field.....oh and the nuclear energy field has produced 10^20 times more power,
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2011, 05:18:33 PM »
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1. This member of the left believes Nuclear energy is and always was a very BAD idea. It KILLS at every
 stage and if it were economically feasible it would be developed by the rich bastids advocating for it.

Ever hear of nuclear medicine DUmbFluck?

Your ignorance knows no boundaries. One of THE safest industries to work in, with a track record to prove it, is nuclear power generation.

It is not uncommon to see a sign at the entrance of a nuclear power generation facility stating "we have worked over 1 million man hours without a lost time accident."

You will never see that at a steel mill, coal mine, oil refinery, shipping docks, or airline carrier - EVER!
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 05:36:41 PM »
I work retail. We just went 60 days without an accident. They're so thrilled, we get a cookout for it.  :-)

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 05:46:25 PM »
There's a nuke plant less than 40 miles away from me.  It doesn't bother me, and has provided some of the better fishing in the area. Of course you have to overlook the three-eyed fish, but it's a nice lake otherwise.
There is one not so far from me, if it's a nice day I can see it. I think they should put up more Nuclear power plants.

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2011, 06:04:09 PM »
I flew over 3 mile island once and when (I can't believe I'm telling this) ... when my kids were born .... they .... they were nekkid!!

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 06:23:32 PM »
I flew over 3 mile island once and when (I can't believe I'm telling this) ... when my kids were born .... they .... they were nekkid!!

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2011, 06:24:57 PM »
I flew over 3 mile island once and when (I can't believe I'm telling this) ... when my kids were born .... they .... they were nekkid!!

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My brother-in-law was on a team that went there to shut it down and vent the gases.....his daughter was born naked too....10 years before it even happened. Dangerous stuff, ain't it.
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 06:34:13 PM »
My brother-in-law was on a team that went there to shut it down and vent the gases.....his daughter was born naked too....10 years before it even happened. Dangerous stuff, ain't it.

Whoa!  I'm glad I was just flying over it!!

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2011, 06:36:08 PM »
I flew over 3 mile island once and when (I can't believe I'm telling this) ... when my kids were born .... they .... they were nekkid!!

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2011, 06:37:55 PM »
My brother-in-law was on a team that went there to shut it down and vent the gases.....his daughter was born naked too....10 years before it even happened. Dangerous stuff, ain't it.
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2011, 06:40:58 PM »
I have never been to TMI, never had any children, but I continue to hear the voices.
Should I be afraid?

Be afraid my friend .... be very afraid.  The NUKES are everywhere.  EVERYWHERE!!

Heh.

Stoopid hippies they'll believe anything.

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2011, 07:09:56 PM »
The problem with nukes is that there is nowhere to store the waste products. It's clean power, but the waste byproducts are terrible. One mountain in Nevada will not suffice, and cities along the rail routes don't want the wastes passing through their cities.

I remember seeing somewhere a few years ago some articles and papers that said there is absolutely a limited quantity of raw uranium to process for nukes. But I admit that I've not kept up to date on this.  :o
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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2011, 07:16:03 PM »
The problem with nukes is that there is nowhere to store the waste products. It's clean power, but the waste byproducts are terrible. One mountain in Nevada will not suffice, and cities along the rail routes don't want the wastes passing through their cities.

That's concerned me for years, decades even.

There's always been some resentment on my part, about how Nevada's considered a "wasteland," and the only place fit for such waste.  Nevada actually is a very fragile and unique ecosystem, and needs left alone. 

After all, Nebraska itself, in the heart, the spinal column, of America, was once considered a "wasteland".....until it was discovered we sit atop the largest underground ocean of fresh water in the world...

So Nevada's no "wasteland;" it just has potential that we haven't discerned yet.

I've always suggested nuclear wastes be stored in a place that's irretrievably ruined, incapable of restoration.

Vermont would make an excellent storage-place; the Dems, liberals, and primitives did a good job, a really good job, in utterly destroying it, and it's beyond repair anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2011, 07:21:01 PM »
The problem with nukes is that there is nowhere to store the waste products. It's clean power, but the waste byproducts are terrible. One mountain in Nevada will not suffice, and cities along the rail routes don't want the wastes passing through their cities.

I remember seeing somewhere a few years ago some articles and papers that said there is absolutely a limited quantity of raw uranium to process for nukes. But I admit that I've not kept up to date on this.  :o

I thought that was what NAFTA was all about.  Mexico agreed to let us send them our nuclear waste and Bill Clinton agreed to let them send us their criminals.

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2011, 09:38:22 PM »
Honestly - I have always felt the best way to deal with it is to feed it to the sun. It likes radioactivity. Its just a matter of producing a transportation container that is reasonably well sealed in case of launch failure. once its out of the earth's gravity, point it at the sun and wave bye-bye.

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2011, 09:59:15 PM »
The problem with nukes is that there is nowhere to store the waste products. It's clean power, but the waste byproducts are terrible. One mountain in Nevada will not suffice, and cities along the rail routes don't want the wastes passing through their cities.

I remember seeing somewhere a few years ago some articles and papers that said there is absolutely a limited quantity of raw uranium to process for nukes. But I admit that I've not kept up to date on this.  :o
You are mis-informed my little munchkin. Yucca  Mountain can store ALL spent fuel in every nuclear facility in existence today and that which will be created in the next 1000 years. Did you know that since the late 1950's YOU have been paying a fee as part of your electric bill to fund safe storage and disposal of spent nuclear fuel? Yes, for the past 60+ years, the federal government has collected hundreds and hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars for safe storage and processing of spent nuclear fuel.

France supplies 75+% of their electrical demands via nuclear generation. They process their spent fuel, reclaim about 50+% of it and vitrify (encase in glass and bury) the remainder. 110% proven reliable technology!

Why don't we do the same?

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2011, 10:05:56 PM »
The problem with nukes is that there is nowhere to store the waste products. It's clean power, but the waste byproducts are terrible. One mountain in Nevada will not suffice, and cities along the rail routes don't want the wastes passing through their cities.

I remember seeing somewhere a few years ago some articles and papers that said there is absolutely a limited quantity of raw uranium to process for nukes. But I admit that I've not kept up to date on this.
  :o

BTW - Do some research on breeder reactors - you may be surprised. Breeder reactors can make MORE fuel than they consume.  I worked at FFTF (Fast Flux Text Facility) on the Hanford reservation for a little over a year. A liquid sodium cooled breeder - liquid sodium checks in at around 800 degrees F. That is the coolant. Research it - become enlightened.
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2011, 10:08:16 PM »
I thought that was what NAFTA was all about.  Mexico agreed to let us send them our nuclear waste and Bill Clinton agreed to let them send us their criminals.

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Re: Why no nukes?
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2011, 09:32:57 AM »
You are mis-informed my little munchkin. Yucca  Mountain can store ALL spent fuel in every nuclear facility in existence today and that which will be created in the next 1000 years. Did you know that since the late 1950's YOU have been paying a fee as part of your electric bill to fund safe storage and disposal of spent nuclear fuel? Yes, for the past 60+ years, the federal government has collected hundreds and hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars for safe storage and processing of spent nuclear fuel.

France supplies 75+% of their electrical demands via nuclear generation. They process their spent fuel, reclaim about 50+% of it and vitrify (encase in glass and bury) the remainder. 110% proven reliable technology!

Why don't we do the same?

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Yeah, the vitrification is a proven technique, and Nevada was chosen because of minimal ground water problems, since ground water intrusion would break down the vitrified waste blocks in a mere few thousand years instead of the entire geological age it might otherwise take if left dry and undisturbed.
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