The case for electric vehicles

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-11-11 10:53 AM
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The case for electric vehicles   Updated at 9:29 AM
   
1) No gas (except the Volt)

2) No oil changes (about $150 a year using non-synthetic oil) *(every two years for the Volt)

3) No maintenance (plugs, belts fluids, etc) which saves about $2000 over three years.

4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold)

5) Peace and quite while driving


The negatives


Charging stations cost from $500 to $2000 depending on the manufacturer.


These is a lack of infrastructure to charge these vehicles even though carrying an extension plug will help if you are staying somewhere overnight.

Limited range.


We are in the infancy of the evolution of these vehicles. Hopefully, within 10 years, they will be affordable and readily available to all

Your commie 5 year plans for these cars won't work DUmmie.   BTW, where does bobo the hobo fit into this picture? Will there be free services for her to charge her car? What will happen to the buick?

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[Rebel]

4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold)

Do they auto-generate their own charges? Last time I took physics, that broke the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics.


OOOOoooooohhh, you have to plug'em in. Hmm, Ok. Where does that energy come from?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

OK, but charging stations have to be powered.

The capacity for the electrical grid is not expanding.

If supply is stagnant but demand goes up the price goes up.

[Ralph Wiggum]

OK, but charging stations have to be powered.

Don't confuse the DUmmy with facts!

[Evil_Conservative]

You will also look like a major douche bag in traffic.

[JohnnyReb]

Most have a range of 100 miles at best...so when a hurricane is about to strike the coast and they tell you to get as far away as possible....that's gonna be a 100 miles or less.

I live 150 miles inland and after hurricane Hugo in 1989, I was without power for 3 weeks. Those electric cars going to work real well in cases of national emergencies.

The city of Charlotte NC has gotten money from the feds to build charging stations in town for electric cars. ...and pay the power bill for 2 years. After that, the local taxpayer is expected to pay the electric recharging cost...that shit's gonna go over like a lead balloon.

Oh yeah, forgot to tell ya....electricity come from a hole in the ground and the oil companies control them too. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Just out of curiosity...

...how long would the heater in one of those things run?

I'm thinking of poor Bobo.

Maybe Dain is trying to kill her off by freezing her to death.

[Karin]

Oh, haha!  You have to row over and see how DainB fell flat on his face.  All the common sense arguments here, plus some.  Shows you why NOBODY is buying these POS's. 

[JohnnyReb]

After we've gone all electric and the DUmmies start their glorious revolution and the government wants to shut it down...click... and it's over.

[thundley4]

Just out of curiosity...

...how long would the heater in one of those things run?

I'm thinking of poor Bobo.

Maybe Dain is trying to kill her off by freezing her to death.

How long and far will they go with the AC cranked on high?  Mythbusters did a show about using the AC on a regular, and the AC had no appreciable effect on the gas mileage.

[dandi]

DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Feb-11-11 10:53 AM
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The case for electric vehicles   Updated at 9:29 AM
  
4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold)

You forgot a couple of things, DUmbass:

1.  The amount of energy expended to create the batteries (ie pollution).

2.  The amount of energy expended to dispose/recycle the batteries (ie pollution).

3.  The cost of a new battery once the old one dies off in about 5-8 years (ie ****ing steep).

4.  The resulting damage and impact (ie pollution) if one of these nice, big batteries cooks off.

Seeing reality yet, DUmbass?

[GOBUCKS]

OOOOoooooohhh, you have to plug'em in. Hmm, Ok. Where does that energy come from?

Obama's stash.

[JohnnyReb]

Seeing reality yet, DUmbass?

Nope....they until they went blind.

[jukin]

The case for electric vehicles   Updated at 9:29 AM
   
1) No gas (except the Volt) Yep, these are COAL fueled vehicles. Yes these are power hogs. "he AC Level 2 charging mode specifies a nominal 220 V and up to 80 A supply, resulting in a 3.3 kW or 6.6 kW load in three hours. "  Here is a good article on the trouble with charging the electric car. http://www.ecnmag.com/Articles/2011/02/Main-Circuit/Challenges-of-Charging-Plug-in-Electric-Hybrid-Vehicles/?et_cid=1067328&et_rid=45541318&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ecnmag.com%2fArticles%2f2011%2f02%2fMain-Circuit%2fChallenges-of-Charging-Plug-in-Electric-Hybrid-Vehicles%2f[/color]

2) No oil changes (about $150 a year using non-synthetic oil) *(every two years for the Volt)$150/year? 12K/yr 4 oil changes (like a DUmbass would ever chnage his oil regularly) $19.95 at a Jiffy Lube ea. $80/yr. The electric car will have lots of PM with unproven designs (ie unscheduled maintenance or breakdowns)
3) No maintenance (plugs, belts fluids, etc) which saves about $2000 over three years. More proof that a DUchebag and his welfare check are soon parted. Plugs go for 100K, serpentine belt replace at 75K, and oil is taken care of above so we have radiator and transmission flushes every10K.

4) No pollution (telling me the charging causes as much pollution as a petroleum powered vehicle running every day is like telling me you like nacho cheese cold) COAL fired power for electric cars and do look at the transmission article.

5) Peace and quite while driving Mowing down of pedestrians too. Plus you can go like 35 miles if there is no headwind, hills, and optimal occupancy/load and temperature....and excellent batteries condition.

The negatives


Charging stations cost from $500 to $2000 depending on the manufacturer.  Not really. Our electrical grid is not being upgraded because of draconian regulations and environmentalists totalitarianism.


These is a lack of infrastructure to charge these vehicles even though carrying an extension plug will help if you are staying somewhere overnight.  See the link above. I would also like to say that our power generating capabilities has gone down in the last two years. 3-6 KWH (220VAC @ 80 AMPS for a Level 2 charger) to charge batteries is equivalent to adding 1-3 houses per EV to the grid.

Limited range.  VERY LIMITED!


Batteries that need to be replaced at best every three years. That little change up goes for about $3k. Look at the $3k price drop the Prious has at year three in used car ads. The battery manufacturing is highly toxic and recycling them is not that efficient. The other thing is electric cars are useless when the temperature is below 40F. The batteries derate by 80%+ and charge times go up 10times. at that temperature. Oh and don't think about using that heater because you don't have one. Add in that transmission lines can't be built because of mother gia and her cultists.

[Wineslob]

The DUmmies are living proof that the Koolaide comes in many, many flavors.


It took me all of 2 min to find the facts that Jukin posted (before I saw the post), so it's not like it's hard to find the PROBLEMS with electric cars.

[AllosaursRus]

The maintenance this asshat posts is downright bull shit! I haven't replaced a serpentine belt since I have owned "Toots'" Jeep, and that has been 5 years! I do an oil change twice a year, it comes no where close to the expense this liar is harpin'! No heater? Yeah, they're goin' to sell like hotcakes up here where the temp is rarely above 40° for over 4 months!

I guess he/her maintenance is based on treatin' your vehicle like shit and lettin' it go to hell!

I'm still drivin' an '85 Ford F350, a '96 cop car, a 93 Subaru legacy wagon, and a 2003 Grand Cherokee! My maintenance bill last year consists of one battery, plugs for the cop car, and oil changes for all. I may have $250 in it for all 4 vehicles!

Dishonest Green Wienied DUmbass!

[thundley4]

God forbid that DC drive motor fail in someway not covered by warranty.  DC motors are expensive to repair.

[AprilRazz]

I wonder how many blind people bobothehobo will run down if she traded in the skylark for one?

[Ballygrl]

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[DefiantSix]

You will also look like a major douche bag in traffic.

Ahhhh, but that's exactly why they want the Gub'mint to force everyone to drive one.  DUmbshits look like douche bags in traffic, at home, at "work"  , pretty much wherever they are, and this is designed to level the playing field for them by making everyone else look like a douche bag, at least in this one setting.

Problem with that is that once you step out of your 'Tard Car^TM, you go back to looking normal.  A DUmbshit continues to look like a douche bag, mostly because they ARE douche bags.

[Evil_Conservative]

Ahhhh, but that's exactly why they want the Gub'mint to force everyone to drive one.  DUmbshits look like douche bags in traffic, at home, at "work"  , pretty much wherever they are, and this is designed to level the playing field for them by making everyone else look like a douche bag, at least in this one setting.

Problem with that is that once you step out of your 'Tard Car^TM, you go back to looking normal.  A DUmbshit continues to look like a douche bag, mostly because they ARE douche bags.

True.  I have too much taste in cars to drive any sort of "energy saving" vehicle.  If car companies would make these cars look stylish and practical, I might buy one.  Until then, no thank you.  And if I wanted to die tomorrow, I would buy a "Smart" car.  One of those pulled up next to me the other day and it was only half the length of my car.  You probably could park two Smart Cars next to mine and finally be at the same length.  It's just sad to see how many of these cars are in Las Vegas.  Hertz rents them.  Yuck.

[GOBUCKS]

Ahhhh, but that's exactly why they want the Gub'mint to force everyone to drive one.  DUmbshits look like douche bags in traffic, at home, at "work", pretty much wherever they are, and this is designed to level the playing field for them by making everyone else look like a douche bag, at least in this one setting.

Exactly the same motivation they have for trying to force everyone to wear those silly styrofoam bicycle crash helmets.

[FreeBorn]

This is not the sort of car I would feel comfortable with flipping the keys to my daughters. My oldest is 14 now but soon enough she will be driving and a parent worries.
So I had my doubts about these "smart cars" but came to find those engineer guys are some pretty smart fellers.
It seems that during development, because these cars are so small there was no room for airbags so they designed the whole car to blow up like a puffer fish in an accident.
Whoa! That's amazing. If bad finds my kid on the road I know she'll be O.K.
It might take three days to find her up in a tree two counties over but she'll be fine. Whew!
Still though, I want to know because I saw one of these cars in the Shriner Circus, how do they fit 50 sets of seat belts into one of these things?

[NHSparky]

You want to see some DUmmie heads REALLY explode?  Explain the entire lack of transmission/generation infrastructure and capability to them, and then innocently suggest that the generation problem at least can be resolved by the construction of, oh, 30 or 40 new nuclear power plants on the East Coast.

Hilarity ensues.

[diesel driver]

[youtube=425,350]MqTKZgEW8pM[/youtube]

That brings back memories. 

Eight years ago, I saw the most frightening thing ever in my 20+ years of OTR trucking.

A Yugo with valid license plates and a current inspection sticker.   

It was parked, but just the idea that it was STREET LEGAL gave me chills!