Ultrasounds before abortions are wrong.

[thundley4]

The Straight Story   (1000+ posts)             Sat Feb-05-11 11:07 AM
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Ultrasound mandate bill moves forward
   
Ultrasound mandate bill moves forward

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Women seeking abortions would be required to first undergo an ultrasound under a bill approved by the House Judiciary Committee Friday on a party-line vote.

The Republican majority endorsed House Bill 280, by Rep. Pat Ingraham, R-Thompson Falls. The measure now goes to the House floor for debate.

All 14 Republicans backed the bill, while all six Democrats opposed it, following a discussion that became emotional at times.

Republicans said the ultrasound would help pregnant women make a more informed choice, while Democrats called it an unconstitutional invasion of women’s right to privacy.

http://helenair.com/news/article_df861652-30f1-11e0-acd...

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CurtEastPoint   (1000+ posts)             Sat Feb-05-11 11:11 AM
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1. I am convinced that if you are GOP you are seriously deranged.
   
WTF is wrong with these people and their priorities?

Yeah, it is so wrong to want to save an unborn innocent life, but it's okay to want save someone convicted of heinous crimes from being put to death.

RegieRocker (870 posts)           Sat Feb-05-11 01:20 PM
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6. Any democrat that affirms this bill needs to be outsted
   
at end of term. This is so wrong on so many levels I simply don't have the time nor want to put the effort into. No effort should be exhausted on explanation of why it's wrong.

I'd settle for just one valid reason why it is wrong.  Is the left afraid that many women might change their mind when they see the little baby growing inside them?

[Ballygrl]

Republicans said the ultrasound would help pregnant women make a more informed choice, while Democrats called it an unconstitutional invasion of women’s right to privacydon't want women to actually see a baby moving around and sucking it's thumb, and seeing it's head and little hands and feet, and having these women think woah, this really is a baby.

Fixed!

[GOBUCKS]

And after the abortion, they should be required to look at the dead baby. It wouldn't save that baby, but the number of second and third and fourth abortions might be reduced if these "mothers" knew what killing a baby means.

[Evil_Conservative]

It's just too bad that DU members mother's chose life for them.

[thundley4]

It's just too bad that DU members mother's chose life for them.

In their case would it be okay to allow their mothers to have retroactive abortions?

[jukin]

Kind of tough to kill a clump of cells that looks human.

What were those stats in NYNY? 55% of of all pregnancies aborted?  That is not abortion it is birth control.  IMHO, your second unnecessary abortion you get sterilized. Then you can have all the care free drug and alcohol induced sex you want with no consequences except for the STDs that only affect themselves.

[true_blood]

CurtEastPoint   (1000+ posts)             Sat Feb-05-11 11:11 AM
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1. I am convinced that if you are GOP a democrat, I mean, socialist/communist, you are seriously deranged. WTF is wrong with these people and their priorities?

FIFY DUmmie.

[GOBUCKS]

In their case would it be okay to allow their mothers to have retroactive abortions?

That's sort of how Ann Coulter described the timely demise of Killer Tiller - an abortion in the 203rd trimester.

[TexasCop]

It's too bad DUmmies mothers don't believe in post-partum abortions.

[Boudicca]

Fixed!

Ballygrl, you have hit the nail on the head.  There's not a whole lot more real in life than seeing the tiny life growing inside of yourself.
I DO have enormous compassion for the victims of rape and women who are going to die if they carry the baby to term, IMO, no one has the right to judge their choice, but for the rest of women who are chosing to abort their baby as a "lifestyle choice", ****, they are no better than the abortion doctors.
I've never understood why pregnant women killing their babies are given a pass while the doctors doing the killing are vilified.  Maybe it's just me, but it seems equally heinous to submit your body for an abortion as to actually perform the operation.

I KNOW alot of you will disagree with me viz a viz the rape victim's right to an abortion but in that case the woman MAY be even more victimized by forcing her to bear the child of her violater. 

[thundley4]

Ballygrl, you have hit the nail on the head.  There's not a whole lot more real in life than seeing the tiny life growing inside of yourself.
I DO have enormous compassion for the victims of rape and women who are going to die if they carry the baby to term, IMO, no one has the right to judge their choice, but for the rest of women who are chosing to abort their baby as a "lifestyle choice", ****, they are no better than the abortion doctors.
I've never understood why pregnant women killing their babies are given a pass while the doctors doing the killing are vilified.  Maybe it's just me, but it seems equally heinous to submit your body for an abortion as to actually perform the operation.

I KNOW alot of you will disagree with me viz a viz the rape victim's right to an abortion but in that case the woman MAY be even more victimized by forcing her to bear the child of her violater. 

I used to think the same way, but it suddenly struck me one day.  The baby conceived through rape is still an innocent life, no less deserving of life than any other baby.

[Boudicca]

I used to think the same way, but it suddenly struck me one day.  The baby conceived through rape is still an innocent life, no less deserving of life than any other baby.

I know, but then you have to consider the innocent female victim, who did not ask for this burden.  I think it's exactly the same case as the mother to be who may forfeit her own life if she allows the baby to be born.  That baby is still as deserving of life, but so is the mother.
The rape victim may be emotionally scarred for life if she were to be FORCED to bear this child.
I cannot type any more.  I'm beginning to cry. 

[Ballygrl]

Ballygrl, you have hit the nail on the head.  There's not a whole lot more real in life than seeing the tiny life growing inside of yourself.
I DO have enormous compassion for the victims of rape and women who are going to die if they carry the baby to term, IMO, no one has the right to judge their choice, but for the rest of women who are chosing to abort their baby as a "lifestyle choice", ****, they are no better than the abortion doctors.
I've never understood why pregnant women killing their babies are given a pass while the doctors doing the killing are vilified.  Maybe it's just me, but it seems equally heinous to submit your body for an abortion as to actually perform the operation.

I KNOW alot of you will disagree with me viz a viz the rape victim's right to an abortion but in that case the woman MAY be even more victimized by forcing her to bear the child of her violater.  

I know rape is such a sensitive subject, but less than 1% of rapes result in pregnancy, that stat was from quite a few years ago before the morning after pill ever came on the market, so i say pregnancy resulting from rape is even lower now, not sure what the stats are for instances where the life of the Mother is involved, but I'd say those are very low also, the rest? almost total irresponsibility on the women's part, and yes I'm placing the blame on us because we're the ones who become pregnant and if we don't want to get pregnant then it's up to us to make sure we women are protected and to make sure men use protection.

[TexasCop]

Liberals aren't looking to preserve abortion rights as a way to protect victims of incest and rape.  They are looking to preserve a last ditch method of birth control.  I paid child support for 18 years on a one-night-stand baby because I begged the mom not to abort him.  I did that because I am a HUMAN BEING and did not want to be responsible for the murder of a child.  Abortion to them is a murder out of convenience and nothing more.

[Ballygrl]

Liberals aren't looking to preserve abortion rights as a way to protect victims of incest and rape.  They are looking to preserve a last ditch method of birth control.  I paid child support for 18 years on a one-night-stand baby because I begged the mom not to abort him.  I did that because I am a HUMAN BEING and did not want to be responsible for the murder of a child.

WTG in standing up for an innocent life!

[Boudicca]

I know rape is such a sensitive subject, but less than 1% of rapes result in pregnancy, that stat was from quite a few years ago before the morning after pill ever came on the market, so i say pregnancy resulting from rape is even lower now, not sure what the stats are for instances where the life of the Mother is involved, but I'd say those are very low also, the rest? almost total irresponsibility on the women's part, and yes I'm placing the blame on us because we're the ones who become pregnant and if we don't want to get pregnant then it's up to us to make sure we women are protected and to make sure men use protection.

Well, if you factor the morning after pill into the equation, everything changes of course.
I know there are those who oppose even the administration of the morning after pill as abortion.
But, to stipulate that a rape victim be given the morning after pill, and the life of the woman be considered above that of the child, other than that, yes, abortion should be totally illegal.
Women who get knocked up after a drunken all nighter shouldn't be able to get rid of the kid because it's inconvenient.
And yeah, while men should do their part in birth control and the smart dude does, what with DNA tests and child support payments, the final responsibility ends with the woman, who will be the nine month incubator.

[Boudicca]

WTG in standing up for an innocent life!

I agree, TexasCop, I hope your baby grew up to appreciate her or his life.

[TexasCop]

I agree, TexasCop, I hope your baby grew up to appreciate her or his life.

Not really.  Grew up to be a criminal.  His mom fought my access to him for years.  Kids without dads in the home don't stand a shot these days.

[thundley4]

Not really.  Grew up to be a criminal.  His mom fought my access to him for years.  Kids without dads in the home don't stand a shot these days.

Not completely true. Their chances for a decent life may be lessened, but their mother if a good one can give them a good shot.

[BlueStateSaint]

Liberals aren't looking to preserve abortion rights as a way to protect victims of incest and rape.  They are looking to preserve a last ditch method of birth control.  I paid child support for 18 years on a one-night-stand baby because I begged the mom not to abort him.  I did that because I am a HUMAN BEING and did not want to be responsible for the murder of a child.  Abortion to them is a murder out of convenience and nothing more.

H5 for preserving the life, even if he did become a criminal later on.  It was his choice.

[Evil_Conservative]

Liberals aren't looking to preserve abortion rights as a way to protect victims of incest and rape.  They are looking to preserve a last ditch method of birth control.  I paid child support for 18 years on a one-night-stand baby because I begged the mom not to abort him.  I did that because I am a HUMAN BEING and did not want to be responsible for the murder of a child.  Abortion to them is a murder out of convenience and nothing more.

The father of the child should have a say before some woman just decides to abort their baby.

[TexasCop]

No, she was a horrible mother. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Democrats called it an unconstitutional invasion of women’s right to privacy.

Then please explain all the warning labels forced upon us for things as mundane as trans fatty acids or the billions of dollars manufacturers of legal products are forced to spend to advertise against their products.

[jukin]

SGT SB, there are but two privacy areas communist democrats are concerned with.

1. Aborting innocent lives. Even parents of underaged girls are not to know of this.

2. Poking your dick in an anus.

Everything else is to have complete government control in your life.

Statistical facts are that dirt poking is very dangerous and very costly to our health care system. The two main reasons nanny government must ban all other actions of the serfs.

[thundley4]

SGT SB, there are but two privacy areas communist democrats are concerned with.

1. Aborting innocent lives. Even parents of underaged girls are not to know of this.

2. Poking your dick in an anus.

Everything else is to have complete government control in your life.

Statistical facts are that dirt poking is very dangerous and very costly to our health care system. The two main reasons nanny government must ban all other actions of the serfs.

You forgot about drugs, the Dummies want their drugs, free and legal.