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new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« on: January 01, 2011, 08:22:15 AM »
note from franksolich: during the past several weeks, lots and lots of lurking primitives have been reading this thread from January 1, 2011, shortly after the top primitive of 2010, the Die alte Sau, was revealed. 

Probably the primitives are trying to learn the rules, so as to manipulate the rules to their own personal advantages.

As of now, there have been no official rule changes for the top primitives of 2011, but it's reasonable to assume there will be some, as the awards have gotten rather complicated lately.  August 8, 2011


There aren't any yet, and won't be until my distinguished partner Mr. Wiggum gets back from the Rose Bowl, but I'm soliciting suggested changes for nominations and votes for the top primitives of this current new year.

The only rule change that had been made for 2010 was that the Willie Award was decided by the common wisdom of the people, rather than by Mr. Wiggum and franksolich.  Otherwise, 2010 was pretty much the same rules as in 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005.

It's been suggested that some primitives become stale after x many years, and so perhaps after a particular primitive's been on the ballot for so long, the primitive shouldn't be eligible any more.

This is already the rule for the Willie and the Annie, which are one-time awards; the "TomInTib" primitive, the Bostonian Drunkard, Alan Grayson, the bobbling primitive, and the bouncing primitive will no longer be eligible for selection for those awards they won in 2009 and 2010.

I dunno if limiting the number of times a primitive can be nominated for the top twenty primitives, though, is a good idea.  After all, some primitives, such as Doug's stupid ex-wife, are timeless.

I think that popular choice naturally weeds out the old, stale, boring primitives--look for example, at the Bostonian Drunkard, who wasn't even nominated in 2009 for anything, and not nominated for a top primitive in 2010.  To me, it seems best to just let things happen naturally, interest in the old, stale, boring primitives just naturally withering away.

But I'm not the final arbiter of the rules; that's done by the common wisdom of the people.

There's also been a suggestion that the list of primitives is too long (although for 2010, it was actually shorter than for 2009), with too many PonP with whom voters are unfamiliar.

I myself am sort of "for" limiting the nominations, but have no idea how to limit them, what criteria to use.

There has been a suggestion that members of the general public also members of left-wing message boards (such as Pitcairn Island) not be allowed to nominate and vote, because that might, or might not, bias the results.

These sorts of voters overwhelmingly voted, of course, for the Barack 0bama zombies, but an analysis shows that even if they had been excluded from voting, the Barack 0bama zombies would've ended up in the top ten anyway.  (And as of today, January 1, 2011, it looks highly likely the Barack 0bama zombies are going to end up in this year's top primitives again, perhaps even higher.)

As far as franksolich is concerned, he'd like to have, if possible, the whole general American public vote on the top primitives, and it does say something when both the left and the middle agree.

But again, I'm not the final arbiter of the rules; the collective common wisdom of the people advise and counsel Mr. Wiggum and franksolich, who of course are sensitive to public opinion.

However, and this is not meant unkindly, since Mr. Wiggum and franksolich run the show, they have the royal veto, the last word.  (The royal veto, by the way, has been used only three times since 1707, and so in this case, it's not likely Mr. Wiggum and franksolich are going to go counter to the wishes of the people.)  The royal veto is absolute, and final.

So.....advise and counsel.

Are there any rules for the top primitives, that should be changed for 2011?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2011, 08:29:52 PM by franksolich »
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 08:35:36 AM »
If it's not too much trouble maybe add:

Newbie of the Year Award?
Lifetime Achievement Award?
Maybe an award called the YAM? basically an award to someone we think is a mole, YAM=You're A Mole.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 08:38:23 AM »
The only problem I see has little to do with the process used during the Primitive Award Ceremony, and more to do with the island itself.

Skin's island is sinking under the collective weight of a few dozen egos, leaving less room for other primitives to inhabit it.

There are very few new islanders who join the rankings of the PoP, making for a fairly standardized list of contenders, most of whom will always end up with an award at the end of the year.

*Today is only 1/1/11 - and I already know at least 2/3rds of who will be next years winners - and so do everyone else. *

I feel we need to be more proactive as 'talent scouts' and work to raise appreciation of up-and-coming primitives by the masses- to overturn some new rocks, hopefully discovering a few new specimens in the process. That should help to 'shake up' the Top DUmmies of 2011.  

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 08:46:52 AM »
If it's not too much trouble maybe add:

Newbie of the Year Award?
Lifetime Achievement Award?
Maybe an award called the YAM? basically an award to someone we think is a mole, YAM=You're A Mole.

Newbie of the Year is well worth considering.

We already have the Lifetime Achievement Award, the Willie.

The mole award is an interesting idea, too.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 08:50:15 AM »
Newbie of the Year is well worth considering.

We already have the Lifetime Achievement Award, the Willie.

The mole award is an interesting idea, too.

Ooops, I forgot about the Willie.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 08:55:23 AM »
Ooops, I forgot about the Willie.

Any suggested criteria for the newbie award?

A primitive actually new on Skins's island, or a primitive who's been around for a while, but newly discovered by the DUmpster?

I suspect the newbie and mole awards will come into being for 2011, but the ideas need developed a little further.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 08:57:57 AM »
Any suggested criteria for the newbie award?

A primitive actually new on Skins's island, or a primitive who's been around for a while, but newly discovered by the DUmpster?

I suspect the newbie and mole awards will come into being for 2011, but the ideas need developed a little further.

Umm, I don't know yet LOL.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 08:58:17 AM »
Any suggested criteria for the newbie award?

A primitive actually new on Skins's island, or a primitive who's been around for a while, but newly discovered by the DUmpster?

I suspect the newbie and mole awards will come into being for 2011, but the ideas need developed a little further.

I like this idea -- as it will make it more likely that new talent will be discovered..

My suggestion -
Newbie Award offered to any primitive never nominated for any awards in any past years, regardless of his or her time on the island.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 08:59:38 AM »
I like this idea -- as it will make it more likely that new talent will be discovered..

My suggestion -
Newbie Award offered to any primitive never nominated for any awards in any past years, regardless of his or her time on the island.

Duly noted and considered, sir; there will be a newbie award for 2011 using your criteria.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 09:00:40 AM »
No term limits for DUmmies. They should be considered and re-elected ad nauseum, just like their Supreme Court-packing icon FDR, the father of LIHOP, who, come to think of it, is earning posthumous DUmp cred through his custom of sitting down on the job.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 09:02:19 AM »
I like this idea -- as it will make it more likely that new talent will be discovered..

My suggestion -
Newbie Award offered to any primitive never nominated for any awards in any past years, regardless of his or her time on the island.

Oh, I like that suggestion, I wasn't sure if it should just be people with a low amount of posts or if there was someway to "affirmative action" people who've never been nominated before.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2011, 09:04:23 AM »
No term limits for DUmmies. They should be considered and re-elected ad nauseum.....

That's my thought too, given that it just naturally happens that a stale old boring primitive tends to drop off the list, over time.

As incredible as it may seem, the Bostonian Drunkard's best days are behind him now.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 09:10:00 AM »
In most cases, if a new DUmbass makes enough outrageous posts to get attention, he will be a troll. But a top troll is every bit as deserving of recognition as a top newbie DUmbass. Maybe someone here will take the trophy.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2011, 09:11:25 AM »
No term limits for DUmmies. They should be considered and re-elected ad nauseum, just like their Supreme Court-packing icon FDR, the father of LIHOP, who, come to think of it, is earning posthumous DUmp cred through his custom of sitting down on the job.

I couldn't agree more -

But I do live in Massachusetts, so I'm accustomed to this..  :-) I figure between keeping all primitives eligible for top primitive, coupled with the Newbie award, the most entertaining of the well-known primitives will continue to appear on the charts, while those who either become dull, tombstoned, or self-exiled will naturally fade away.  

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2011, 09:18:30 AM »
As incredible as it may seem, the Bostonian Drunkard's best days are behind him now.

I'm not so sure about this. Pitt tends to be far more entertaining when there is something political that makes him upset, which I suspect the new congress will.

Pitthagorean Theorem

If an upset Pitt equals a drunk Pitt, and a drunk Pitt equals an entertaining Pitt, then an upset Pitt equals an entertaining Pitt. Bank it.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2011, 09:45:40 AM »
I'm not so sure about this. Pitt tends to be far more entertaining when there is something political that makes him upset, which I suspect the new congress will.

Pitthagorean Theorem

If an upset Pitt equals a drunk Pitt, and a drunk Pitt equals an entertaining Pitt, then an upset Pitt equals an entertaining Pitt. Bank it.

I think the new congress may help to energize the hatred at the DUmp and give us some better entertainment overall.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2011, 11:33:42 AM »
I like the idea of a Newbie of the Year.

You may consider a Presidential style electability limit. 2 terms as DOTY and then no more for life. Even though for the most part they implode on their own during they first term and just become shadows of their former selves from there on out. You never know though. There might be a day when one wigs out and the spotlight has to be brought to bear on them and DU.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2011, 11:41:30 AM »
I thought about suggesting a category for "Best Suicide Run of the Year", but realized that many of them probably never get seen by us.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2011, 11:44:54 AM »
I thought about suggesting a category for "Best Suicide Run of the Year", but realized that many of them probably never get seen by us.

Uh huh.

And I've also suspected that conservativecave, and certain personages therein, are mentioned on Skins's island, but my fellow alum yanks down the curtain within minutes, so we don't see it.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2011, 01:00:35 PM »
This may not be the time or place but as Der Skimmer continues to rule with an iron fist, TSing DUmmy's and with the growing membership of The Elmers of ex DUmmy's, there may be a need to open up the nomination to include an island chain and not just skins island.

Maybe a special catagory of off island primitive.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2011, 01:07:05 PM »
Any suggested criteria for the newbie award?

A primitive actually new on Skins's island, or a primitive who's been around for a while, but newly discovered by the DUmpster?

I suspect the newbie and mole awards will come into being for 2011, but the ideas need developed a little further.

I'd think nominees for the N00b of the Year award should be limited only by the criteria that they be the most entertaining primitive to have less than 1,000 posts to their notoriety at the time that nominations open.  

Alternately, it could be for the DUmmy who achieved it's pinnacle of entertainment value in a single or group of posts excreted to the Island while the DUmmy was still a <1000 post n00b (though the poo-flinger in question might have graduated beyond n00b status since that climactic posts in question).
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2011, 01:10:39 PM »
This may not be the time or place but as Der Skimmer continues to rule with an iron fist, TSing DUmmy's and with the growing membership of The Elmers of ex DUmmy's, there may be a need to open up the nomination to include an island chain and not just skins island.

Maybe a special catagory of off island primitive.

Maybe a midyear Elmer & Elsie award?

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2011, 01:14:25 PM »
As incredible as it may seem, the Bostonian Drunkard's best days are behind him now.

WilliePitt has had something which an objective observer would label as a "best day(s)"? :confused:  I thought he just had days in which he was less of a disappointment to Raven than others.
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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2011, 02:14:43 PM »
Hmmm . . . I think I'll try to think about this a little bit more, but I like the ideas here and think they might work. A top three or five nOObs of the year would freshen up the concept, as well as a "poster of the month", but that would take more work. Mulling it over.

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Re: new rules for Top DUmmies of 2011
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2011, 02:21:46 PM »
Hmmm . . . I think I'll try to think about this a little bit more, but I like the ideas here and think they might work. A top three or five nOObs of the year would freshen up the concept, as well as a "poster of the month", but that would take more work. Mulling it over.

You might be on to something. DUmmy of the month whereas the DUmmy of the year must have been DoM. DoM could be a simple process.
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