New Evidence of Earliest North Americans

[Chris_]

New Evidence of Earliest North Americans

WASHINGTON (AP) - New evidence shows humans lived in North America more than 14,000 years ago, 1,000 years earlier than had previously been known. Discovered in a cave in Oregon, fossil feces yielded DNA indicating these early residents were related to people living in Siberia and East Asia, according to a report in Thursday's online edition of the journal Science.

"This is the first time we have been able to get dates that are undeniably human, and they are 1,000 years before Clovis," said Dennis L. Jenkins, a University of Oregon archaeologist, referring to the Clovis culture, well known for its unique spear-points that have been studied previously.

Humans are widely believed to have arrived in North America from Asia over a land-bridge between Alaska and Siberia during a warmer period. A variety of dates has been proposed and some are in dispute.

Few artifacts were found in the cave, leading Jenkins to speculate that these people stayed there only a few days at a time before moving on, perhaps following game animals or looking for other food.

The petrified poop—coprolites to scientists—is yielding a look at the diet of these ancient Americans, Jenkins said.

Oops!!!  I thought warmer periods would cause the seas to rise...no land bridge.  Hmmmmmmm.     Maybe the globalwarming alarmists need to talk to the anthropologists so they can all get their stories straight.

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[PatriotGame]

Kind of drops a turd in the Indians punchbowl of being the fathers of this land. 

[djones520]

Ummm...  Lug-Nut.  They crossed the Bering Straight during the Ice Age.  Massive Glaciers covered large portions of the planet.  Directly associated with that, where the lower sea levels.  Sea levels that where hundreds of feet lower.  Hence the Bering Straight being the Bering Land Bridge.

Sea levels do rise with global warming.  All of that ice melting creates liquid water that goes into our oceans, causing the water level to rise.  During global cooling, those glaciers reform, taking the water out of the oceans, lowering the levels.

Make sense now?

[djones520]

Kind of drops a turd in the Indians punchbowl of being the fathers of this land. 

Umm...  the Indians where direct descendants of the first humans to populate the America's.

[DixieBelle]

I was watching a documentary recently that theorizes there were settlers in the Chesapeake Bay area about 13,000 years ago based on artifacts. I think it's called the Solutrean theory? I have no idea what the validity is.

Anyway, my point is that history is still being discovered much like the OP illustrates.

[JohnMatrix]

Kind of drops a turd in the Indians punchbowl of being the fathers of this land. 

where do you think the indians came from?

[Ptarmigan]

I tend to think that North America was inhabited for more than 20,000 years. They likely came from the south, likely South America. The first Americans likely came from what is now Australia and Indonesia, like Ainus and Polynesians.

[Lord Undies]

Kind of drops a turd in the Indians punchbowl of being the fathers of this land. 

Umm...  the Indians where direct descendants of the first humans to populate the America's.

So they were squatters?  Interesting.

[djones520]

Some information on the subject that a lot of people aren't aware of.

http://www.psc.edu/science/Merri/merri.html

Information about the Amerind wave (first wave of migrants from Asia).  In a nutshell, they've found evidence linking these people to a common ancestor with present day Mongolians.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0027-8424%2819941025%2991%3A22%3C10737%3AVAGSRA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-X&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage

The NaDene and Eskuleut waves seem to be more based from Siberia.

http://depts.washington.edu/uweek/archives/1998.10.OCT_15/_article13.html

Not a lot of info that I could find on these topics, and most of it was extremely hard to understand (unless you major in genetics).  Interesting stuff though.

[djones520]

I tend to think that North America was inhabited for more than 20,000 years. They likely came from the south, likely South America. The first Americans likely came from what is now Australia and Indonesia, like Ainus and Polynesians.

Mitochondrial DNA says otherwise.  So far all research points to the most signficant populations coming from Siberia, either by the land bridge, or by boat.

[Chris_]

Ummm...  Lug-Nut.  They crossed the Bering Straight during the Ice Age.  Massive Glaciers covered large portions of the planet.  Directly associated with that, where the lower sea levels.  Sea levels that where hundreds of feet lower.  Hence the Bering Straight being the Bering Land Bridge.

Sea levels do rise with global warming.  All of that ice melting creates liquid water that goes into our oceans, causing the water level to rise.  During global cooling, those glaciers reform, taking the water out of the oceans, lowering the levels.

Make sense now?

Didja miss this part in the quote?

arrived in North America from Asia over a land-bridge between Alaska and Siberia during a warmer period

It does not say they arrived during an ice age.  It says they arrived during a warmer period...over a land-bridge.   

[Ptarmigan]

Mitochondrial DNA says otherwise.  So far all research points to the most signficant populations coming from Siberia, either by the land bridge, or by boat.

http://www.users.on.net/~mkfenn/

[djones520]

Mitochondrial DNA says otherwise.  So far all research points to the most signficant populations coming from Siberia, either by the land bridge, or by boat.

http://www.users.on.net/~mkfenn/

And it's likely that small groups of those people made it over through such means.  But the overwhelming majority came across the land bridge.

[djones520]

Ummm...  Lug-Nut.  They crossed the Bering Straight during the Ice Age.  Massive Glaciers covered large portions of the planet.  Directly associated with that, where the lower sea levels.  Sea levels that where hundreds of feet lower.  Hence the Bering Straight being the Bering Land Bridge.

Sea levels do rise with global warming.  All of that ice melting creates liquid water that goes into our oceans, causing the water level to rise.  During global cooling, those glaciers reform, taking the water out of the oceans, lowering the levels.

Make sense now?

Didja miss this part in the quote?

arrived in North America from Asia over a land-bridge between Alaska and Siberia during a warmer period

It does not say they arrived during an ice age.  It says they arrived during a warmer period...over a land-bridge.   

Most likely a simplification of what the Bering Land Bridge was.  It had a warmer climate then surrounding area's because of it's geographic location.  It predominately recieved south westerly wind flow, and was rather dry due to the surrounding glaciers absorbing most of the moisture in the regiond.

[Crazy Horse]

Awe a warmer period............outside of an ice age. Everyone dates back to eve in Africa many, many years ago. What's to say that the people who came to North America didn't come from the south while a few nomads came from Asia???

[djones520]

Awe a warmer period............outside of an ice age. Everyone dates back to eve in Africa many, many years ago. What's to say that the people who came to North America didn't come from the south while a few nomads came from Asia???

The whole Eve theory is very strongly contested.  MDNA is a great tool in tracing general roots, but trying to use it to find a single common ancestor, I just gotta say it doesn't hold up to well.  To many holes.

[Uhhuh35]

Kind of drops a turd in the Indians punchbowl of being the fathers of this land. 

where do you think the indians came from?

Nearby Casinos? jk

Actually Dinosaurs were here before the Indians or the Kenniwick man or whomever. I think we should recreate dinosaurs and ceremoniously hand over all of the Western Hemisphere to them. If you want to go back to the original inhabitants then that's who they were.

I for one would welcome our new overlords.

[djones520]

Following that line of thinking, just turn the whole world over to them.  Hell, if you want to keep going down that road, you better go further back then the Dinosaurs.

All hail single celled organisms!

[DixieBelle]

Following that line of thinking, just turn the whole world over to them.  Hell, if you want to keep going down that road, you better go further back then the Dinosaurs.

All hail single celled organisms!

So put DU in charge??

[Rebel Yell]

Following that line of thinking, just turn the whole world over to them.  Hell, if you want to keep going down that road, you better go further back then the Dinosaurs.

All hail single celled organisms!

So put DU in charge??

That is worth a H5.

[PatriotGame]

Kind of drops a turd in the Indians punchbowl of being the fathers of this land. 

Umm...  the Indians where direct descendants of the first humans to populate the America's.

Kennewick Man - Anglo Saxon.