Obama should bow to the NK now.

[thundley4]

Better Believe It   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 03:55 PM
Original message
President Obama should not risk a new Korean war and call upon South Korea to cancel their war games

lots of BS cut & paste follows

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x35373

Better Believe It   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 03:57 PM
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1. So let's have a civil discussion and debate on this matter without any name calling or hysteria.

On DU ? Seriously?   

ProgressiveProfessor   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. Have the hand wringers ventured any opinions as to why the NKs are being so hard over this time
   
What they are objecting to have been a regular occurrence for years

Better Believe It   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. "hand wringers" is in general a term used by the right to attack progressives.   
   

I can't recall anyone on the "left" or progressives using that term.

Just thought you ought to be aware of that.

Here's just a few examples of what I mean:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/02/08/palin-takes-a...

http://www.theage.com.au/news/letters/memo-handwringers...

http://justbarkingmad.com/?p=659&cpage=1

http://justbarkingmad.com/?p=659&cpage=1

Wringing your hands is about all those limp wrists are good for.

Posteritatis (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. Pretty much entirely up to North Korea whether that ever happens or not. (nt)

Codeine   (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 03:58 PM
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2. No. Tiny, pathetic little dictators of backward shitholes
   
do not get to dictate that which their democratic neighbors are or are not allowed to do.

Mexico pretty much tells Obama what to do regarding the border.

Better Believe It   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Like Karzai in Afghanistan? That war doesn't seem to be going very well.   
   

But, what about the issues and points raised in the post?

Any opinions on them?

I'm listening.

Codeine   (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. Which neighboring democracy is Karzai threatening to attack?
   
He can't govern more than ten feet in any given direction anyway.

My opinion? SK has the right to conduct the same military exercises it conducts every year. NK can kiss off -- spoiled children do not call the shots for others. NK should focus on feeding its starving millions.

bluestate10   (311 posts)         Sat Dec-18-10 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. The war in Afghanistan has been turned.
   
More troops are dying because more boots are on the ground and troops are going into villages that were turned over to the taliban by Bush. Major drug trade cities have been taken away and drug trade routes disrupted. More progress has been made by President Obama in 19 months than was made by President Bush in seven years.

Many more US soldiers have died under ObiWon.

Better Believe It   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #9
22. According to whom?   
   
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 05:10 PM by Better Believe It

"When President Obama spoke on Thursday about Afghanistan, it was like being in a Vietnam time warp"

Johnson, November 17, 1967: “We are making progress. We are pleased with the results we are getting.”

Obama, December 16, 2010: “We are making considerable gains toward our military objectives.”

Even when Obama was discussing the “core goal” of those military objectives, he was muddled. He defined that goal not as defeating “every last threat to the security of Afghanistan” but as “disrupting, dismantling and defeating Al Qaeda.”

But Al Qaeda barely exists in Afghanistan, and he doesn’t need 100,000 U.S. troops there to go after a handful of terrorists.

http://www.progressive.org/wx121710.html

Ouch. President Bush's plan for Iraq worked out, but Obama is turning Afghanistan into Vietnam.

Poll_Blind   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 04:06 PM
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5. One side thing, China has been desperately calling for negotiations between the...
   
..parties involved and the U.S. has been blowing them off. The Chinese recently called again for talks. See US brushes aside China's call for N Korea talks from about 2 weeks ago.

PB

Only publicly has the US blown them off. In private Obama is just blowing them.  Years from now, wikileaks successor will show how Obama bowed to all enemies.

[GOBUCKS]

Codeine   (1000+ posts)           Sat Dec-18-10 03:58 PM
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2. No. Tiny, pathetic little dictators of backward shitholes
   
do not get to dictate that which their democratic neighbors are or are not allowed to do.

Uh oh. Just wait until poor, stupid Beth and the rest of the Chavezistas see this!

[BlueStateSaint]

Only publicly has the US blown them off. In private Obama is just blowing them.  Years from now, wikileaks successor will show how Obama bowed to all enemies.

I seem to recall that one of the WikiLeaks sets of documents had to do with China pretty much consenting to a takeover of NK by SK.  But, a future WikiLeaks (or the mirror site more aligned to the Right, OpenLeaks) disclosure will show that Obama prostrated to all of the enemies of the United States of America.

[jukin]

You wanted thmart powah, you got thmart powah.

[true_blood]

bluestate10   (311 posts)         Sat Dec-18-10 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. The war in Afghanistan has been turned. More troops are dying because more boots are on the ground and troops are going into villages that were turned over to the taliban by Bush. Major drug trade cities have been taken away and drug trade routes disrupted. More progress has been made by President Obama in 19 months than was made by President Bush in seven years.

The primitive still wants to make it know, It's still Bush's fault.

[ColonialMarine0431]

I see alot of the DUmmies are channeling Neville Chamberlain over the Korean issue.

Appeasement is alive and well.

Jackwagons.

[AllosaursRus]

Better Believe It   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Like Karzai in Afghanistan? That war doesn't seem to be going very well.  
  

But, what about the issues and points raised in the post?

Any opinions on them?

I'm listening.

Perhaps if Obwana had given the military the troops they asked for in the first place, instead of stalling for two ****in; months in order to appease the left, then giving them less than what they told him it would take to get the job done, again to appease his base of BatShit crazy infidels, it could have gone much better! Ever think of that, ya ****in' ignorant prick?

Poll_Blind   (1000+ posts)             Sat Dec-18-10 04:06 PM
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5. One side thing, China has been desperately calling for negotiations between the...
  
..parties involved and the U.S. has been blowing them off. The Chinese recently called again for talks. See US brushes aside China's call for N Korea talks from about 2 weeks ago.

PB

You really are an idiot! China has been draggin' their heels on this since Clintoon decided to give them the opportunity to build nuclear weapons in the first place! Look in the mirror asshat! The reason they are a threat today, lays right in the lap of one of your anti-American heroes! He shoulda stuck to rapin' women and lyin' to the courts! That's one job he seems to be "good" at!