Obama should resign if approved UN spying: WikiLeaks founder

[formerlurker]

We are not at War.  The last legal condition of war ended in 1945.

If you are talking about the "police action" that is not a war.

Oh, and I was pissed there was no formal declaration in 2001.

Yeah about that:

http://www.justice.gov/olc/warpowers925.htm

Police action?  oh how you do make me laugh.

[formerlurker]

Well there comes the crux of the situation.  If government wish to behave like gangsters, they have about as much moral and legal authority.

Gangsters?  how so.

[Allentownjake]

Gangsters?  how so.

Well, getting your way outside of the legal means to do so, is pretty much the behavior of a gangster.

[formerlurker]

Well, getting your way outside of the legal means to do so, is pretty much the behavior of a gangster.

How are they getting their way again?

[formerlurker]

Oh, and I was pissed there was no formal declaration in 2001.

I am willing to bet serious money that you weren't pissed until someone told you to be pissed.....

[Allentownjake]

How are they getting their way again?

I think killing someone without due process or a declared Military conflict qualifies.

[Allentownjake]

I am willing to bet serious money that you weren't pissed until someone told you to be pissed.....

My parents are Vietnam Veterans.  I was actually pissed based on their treatment and the way that conflict was waged.

If you are going to commit troops to battle for an extended period of time, a declaration of war is necessary.  It changes the rules, it also puts the full national resources behind those in combat.

[formerlurker]

I think killing someone without due process or a declared Military conflict qualifies.

He is dead? 

[Allentownjake]

He is dead? 

I hear a lot of advocation for him to "disappear"

[formerlurker]

My parents are Vietnam Veterans.  I was actually pissed based on their treatment and the way that conflict was waged.

If you are going to commit troops to battle for an extended period of time, a declaration of war is necessary.  It changes the rules, it also puts the full national resources behind those in combat.

What on earth are you talking about -- the rules change?  it puts the full national resources behind those in combat?     This isn't the 30s/40s.  

[formerlurker]

I hear a lot of advocation for him to "disappear"

Freedom of speech, which you clearly have a problem with.

[Allentownjake]

What on earth are you talking about -- the rules change?  it puts the full national resources behind those in combat?     This isn't the 30s/40s.  

Nope, and we haven't had a clear victory since the 30s and 40s.

[Allentownjake]

Freedom of speech, which you clearly have a problem with.

Not really, I'm posting that I disagree and view that is the action of a government that has gone gangster.

[formerlurker]

Nope, and we haven't had a clear victory since the 30s and 40s.

Wasn't our victory -- it was an allied victory.  Know the difference.

[Allentownjake]

Wasn't our victory -- it was an allied victory.  Know the difference.

So whose troops are in Germany and Japan right now?
 

[formerlurker]

Not really, I'm posting that I disagree and view that is the action of a government that has gone gangster.

The government is looking for ways to charge the POS.  They have hardly gone gangster.    Putin will have a bullet put between his eyes when he is found (if he is lucky).  That is what we refer to as reality.   Actions.  Consequences.   I am sure there will be lots of tears at lewrockwell and the DU when he does disappear for good.    

I predict a conspiracy theory forum on his disappearance sometime in the near future.

[formerlurker]

So whose troops are in Germany and Japan right now?
 

If you think the United States won WWII all by themselves then there is little I can do for you.   Sad actually. 

[Allentownjake]

If you think the United States won WWII all by themselves then there is little I can do for you.   Sad actually. 

The US and the USSR were clearly the victor of that war, Britain decreased world wide as a power immediately afterward.

[formerlurker]

The US and the USSR were clearly the victor of that war, Britain decreased world wide as a power immediately afterward.

Oh my.  Oh my.   Oh my.

Wait a minute -- I thought lewrockwell was against our entrance into WWII?   Wasn't it our fault Japan bombed us?   

Australia -- probably are closest ally next to GB, had nothing to do with the war?   Come on -- this was a world war in every sense of the word.    The entire nation provided resources for the war because we were NOT prepared for war, by any stretch of the imagination.    If not for the Soviet Union, there is a one hell of a good chance we never would have won it.   

Stop the nonsense.   We supplied the war before we could enter it and that saved our allies, but it was an allied win. All equally important. Period.

[ColonialMarine0431]

Obama should'nt resign. He should be tried for violating  Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Some of us have studied the Constitution thoroughly. Obama didn't count on that. Well, "Mr. President", you violated the Constitution and should be removed from office. To many of us the Constitution is almost Holy; it's what seperates us from those 3rd world hell-holes.

[Allentownjake]

Obama should'nt resign. He should be tried for violating  Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Some of us have studied the Constitution thoroughly. Obama didn't count on that. Well, "Mr. President", you violated the Constitution and should be removed from office. To many of us the Constitution is almost Holy; it's what seperates us from those 3rd world hell-holes.

I'm actually crossing my fingers and hope that Issa spends the first 3 months of 2011 investigating the US Treasury department and Tim Geithner and doesn't go for easy smaller scale things.

I hope he bring Mr. Geithner's actions out into the open for the public to see what their government has been up to, and I hope he includes Mr. Paulson's last year in office in the investigation as well.

[dandi]

However, when I pledge Allegiance to the US Flag, I don't pledge it to the flag it is to the US Constitution the basis for the flag. 

You pledge allegiance to the Flag "and to the Republic for which it stands", you take an oath to the Constitution.  Jake, there are those of us that have done/still do both.

If you don't pledge an allegiance to the Flag then you are not pledging an allegiance to "the Republic for which it stands".  The words to the Pledge are pretty clear cut and have no other meanings. 

Are you too good to pledge to the Flag?  Apparently, at some point in your youth, you thought yourself too good to swear an actual oath to the Constitution.

If you don't think the Flag is something you should swear an allegiance to and the Constitution is too good for you to swear an oath, what is the point you are trying to make?

[Allentownjake]

You pledge allegiance to the Flag "and to the Republic for which it stands", you take an oath to the Constitution.  Jake, there are those of us that have done/still do both.

If you don't pledge an allegiance to the Flag then you are not pledging an allegiance to "the Republic for which it stands".  The words to the Pledge are pretty clear cut and have no other meanings. 

Are you too good to pledge to the Flag?  Apparently, at some point in your youth, you thought yourself too good to swear an actual oath to the Constitution.

If you don't think the Flag is something you should swear an allegiance to and the Constitution is too good for you to swear an oath, what is the point you are trying to make?

Well you have a flag in your profile pic 

[true_blood]

Obama should'nt resign. He should be tried for violating  Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Some of us have studied the Constitution thoroughly. Obama didn't count on that. Well, "Mr. President", you violated the Constitution and should be removed from office. To many of us the Constitution is almost Holy; it's what seperates us from those 3rd world hell-holes.

He should be tried and thrown out. He hasn't done a damn thing FOR the United States. For other Countries, he bends over backwards and sends them our money.
Enough is enough.

[dandi]

Well you have a flag in your profile pic 

And you have a fictional character in yours that is a weakling, two faced, pseudo intellectual interested in nothing but himself.

I took an oath to the Constitution to the tune of "up to and including my life" for 22 years and have sworn an allegiance to the Flag and "to the Republic for which it stands".  My credentials on this are beyond reproach; especially to you.

How about you try and tackle the question, lefty sage?  If you don't think the Flag is something you should swear an allegiance to and the Constitution is too good for you to swear an oath, what is the point you are trying to make?