Obama should resign if approved UN spying: WikiLeaks founder

[Freeper]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9696929

Quick check it out before it gets nuked.

Lot's of infighting.

[mamacags]

Holy Crap!  If this douchebag had an R beside his name was had sex charges against him those pieces of shit would all of the sudden be for the death penalty.  They are a bunch of rape apologists blaming the victim and making the rapist out to be a victim.

[Allentownjake]

If the US Government wants to prosecute PFC Manning for giving information that was classified, I'm fine with that.

If you want to go after a journalist who is not a citizen of the US for publishing information given to him, that is a different manner.

I'm still scratching my head how a PFC, was able to download so much information without having a visit to find out why he downloaded it.

[thundley4]

floyd of rosedale (3 posts)           Sun Dec-05-10 06:51 PM
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15. Truth to power Julian
   
F'ing truth to power.




God he looks so good and in control, how can you not just place all your hope and trust in this hero. Can't you just feel the power he projects.

Suicide run?

If the US Government wants to prosecute PFC Manning for giving information that was classified, I'm fine with that.

If you want to go after a journalist who is not a citizen of the US for publishing information given to him, that is a different manner.

I'm still scratching my head how a PFC, was able to download so much information without having a visit to find out why he downloaded it.

Assange could still be charged with espionage, but not treason.  I think possession of classified materials without proper authorization is still a crime.

[Allentownjake]

Yes, if you are a citizen of this country which he is not.

US Laws apply to me, they don't apply to Australians.

[Allentownjake]

To amend, unless the Australian is living and conducting activities in the US.

[formerlurker]

Yes, if you are a citizen of this country which he is not.

US Laws apply to me, they don't apply to Australians.

Death will apply to Assange, and it won't be by US hands.   Putin will get to him first.

[Allentownjake]

Death will apply to Assange, and it won't be by US hands.   Putin will get to him first.

Quite probable.

However, when I pledge Allegiance to the US Flag, I don't pledge it to the flag it is to the US Constitution the basis for the flag. 

[Freeper]

If the US Government wants to prosecute PFC Manning for giving information that was classified, I'm fine with that.

If you want to go after a journalist who is not a citizen of the US for publishing information given to him, that is a different manner.

I'm still scratching my head how a PFC, was able to download so much information without having a visit to find out why he downloaded it.

The US govt is the least of his worries. Once the Russians get a hold of him he will wish that he was in Gitmo instead.

[miskie]

Yes, if you are a citizen of this country which he is not.

US Laws apply to me, they don't apply to Australians.

Exactly, which is why one day, Assange is going to drop off the face of the earth. or more specifically, dropped into the deepest part of the Atlantic. It was fun and game when he was working to embarass and discredit the Bush Administration, now that he is going after Obama, his days are most certainly numbered.

[formerlurker]

Quite probable.

However, when I pledge Allegiance to the US Flag, I don't pledge it to the flag it is to the US Constitution the basis for the flag. 

And if you posted such documents you would be committing treason.   

[mamacags]

I wonder if Vegas has a pool going for when he will disappear?  If not, they should!  If I had more friends here (in my town) that watched the news or even knew what wikileaks were I would start a pool for cash.

[Allentownjake]

And if you posted such documents you would be committing treason.  

Yes, I'm a citizen of this country.

I don't agree with a world court.  Why should I expect non-US citizens to obey our national security laws outside this country.  That is just silly on so many levels.

We are a sovereign nation.  A foreigner has no loyalty to the US Government nor should they be expected to have any.  

[JohnnyReb]

When the Wikileaks founder starts leaking body fluids you know we're going to get blamed for it no matter who does it.....Soooo, let's get on with it. Poke him full of holes already.

[formerlurker]

Yes, I'm a citizen of this country.

I don't agree with a world court.  Why should I expect non-US citizens to obey our national security laws outside this country.  That is just silly on so many levels.

We are a sovereign nation.  A foreigner has no loyalty to the US Government nor should they be expected to have any.  

Uh, just responding to your comment about the flag. 

As for this POS you have no problem with?  he should be listening for the helicopters.    Consequences to your actions..... he should have learned that in Kindergarten.

[Allentownjake]

Uh, just responding to your comment about the flag. 

As for this POS you have no problem with?  he should be listening for the helicopters.    Consequences to your actions..... he should have learned that in Kindergarten.

So a foreigner posts information, that was handed to him by a US Citizen on the internet, and he should face execution.   Interesting.  All I can say is you are supporting a NWO and Global government more than any liberal in that statement.

[mamacags]

So a foreigner posts information, that was handed to him by a US Citizen on the internet, and he should face execution.   Interesting.  All I can say is you are supporting a NWO and Global government more than any liberal in that statement.

How long have you been waiting to say that to someone here.  It sounded a little rehearsed.

[true_blood]

So a foreigner posts information, that was handed to him by a US Citizen on the internet, and he should face execution.   Interesting.  All I can say is you are supporting a NWO and Global government more than any liberal in that statement.

**** the NWO and **** the global gubberment shit. Blood shoots out of my eyes when I hear those words. It pisses me off.
I really hope the Russians get to him and turn him into a piece of human Swiss cheese.

[Allentownjake]

How long have you been waiting to say that to someone here.  It sounded a little rehearsed.

I actually was thinking about keeping out of this thread, basically because I know the national security culture here, and stick to economics where we have common ground.

I don't expect to be charged in the US for a crime against the British government while living in the US for something I post on the internet.  It is reasonable not to expect an Australian living in Iceland to not face a similar situation.

[mamacags]

So hoping the guy gets some consequences is worthy of bringing the NWO, Illuminati, Global Warming, and The Mummy into it?

[Allentownjake]

So hoping the guy gets some consequences is worthy of bringing the NWO, Illuminati, Global Warming, and The Mummy into it?

None of the documentation was even classified as Top Secret. 

China shut down Google because their Dear Leader Googled himself.

The Arab states hate Iran as much as Israel does.

We spy on diplomats at the UN.

Not exactly earth shattering news.

I think the hard drive of BAC has him really in trouble, not the state department cables.

[formerlurker]

So a foreigner posts information, that was handed to him by a US Citizen on the internet, and he should face execution.   Interesting.  All I can say is you are supporting a NWO and Global government more than any liberal in that statement.

Face execution?  why so formal.   He will be eliminated.    Actions.  Consequences.    You honestly think the United States is going to post armed guards at your house if you released top secrets documents stolen from the Kremlin?   Yeah about that, no.    They'll get to you.   They really don't give a flying fig about your freedom of speech either, and that you are just the messenger.  

Of course in our case, we are at war.  A traitor gave a POS top secret classified documents, which he published.  But in your utopian world this guy is gold.  No worries right?  

Reality escapes the libertarian world.   Pretty much every single time.

[formerlurker]

I don't expect to be charged in the US for a crime against the British government while living in the US for something I post on the internet.  It is reasonable not to expect an Australian living in Iceland to not face a similar situation.

Who said anything about being charged?

[Allentownjake]

Face execution?  why so formal.   He will be eliminated.    Actions.  Consequences.    You honestly think the United States is going to post armed guards at your house if you released top secrets documents stolen from the Kremlin?   Yeah about that, no.    They'll get to you.   They really don't give a flying fig about your freedom of speech either, and that you are just the messenger.  

Of course in our case, we are at war.  A traitor gave a POS top secret documents, which he published.  But in your utopian world this guy is gold.  No worries right?  

Reality escapes the libertarian world.   Pretty much every single time.

We are not at War.  The last legal condition of war ended in 1945.

If you are talking about the "police action" that is not a war.

Oh, and I was pissed there was no formal declaration in 2001.

[Allentownjake]

Who said anything about being charged?

Well there comes the crux of the situation.  If government wish to behave like gangsters, they have about as much moral and legal authority.