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Offline Carl

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Cyrano watching his destruction
« on: December 05, 2010, 01:57:28 PM »
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Cyrano  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:04 PM
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Why are we just sitting back and witnessing our own destruction?   
      

Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 01:31 PM by Cyrano
Never mind. I know the answer to that question. It’s because those of us who realize we are being destroyed don’t have the means with which to stop it. And far too many others are totally clueless as to the whats and whys of what is happening to them.

What I’m speaking of here is the complete theft of our well being, our ability to be informed, our financial security, our lives as we have known them, and virtually every freedom we have taken for granted.

We know who the thieves are. They are the super wealthy who own/control multinational corporations, who own/control all means of distribution, who own/control everything we need for survival, who own/control our political system, who own/control the media, and who own and control us.

These owners are using the Republican Party as their spearhead in acquiring everything on this planet that there is to acquire. But, make no mistake about it. There are numerous Democrats who understand it and are going along with it to get their share of the spoils.

So here are my questions. Does anyone have the vaguest idea of what we can do to halt our slide into involuntary servitude? Does anyone have a clue as to how we can escape from the insidious oppression which has overtaken us? Does anyone know how we can regain our existence as a free people?

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Angry Dragon  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:08 PM
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1. Unless there enough people of wealth   
   that believe in morality, ready to fight the other side of wealth, ready to spend some of that wealth to combat the lies, the only other solution is blood.

Have at it.

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earthside (1000+ posts)       Sun Dec-05-10 01:24 PM
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16. Oh, it's happening.
   Conditioned by disaster movies, a lot of folks think that our destruction has to come as some sudden cataclysmic event.

However, "Rome didn't fall in a day" ... it took hundreds of years. The antecedents to the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution were decades in the making.

And, that is what is going on in this country right now -- I note three significant events: Reagan's election in 1980; the theft of the 2000 election; and 9/11 -- milestones on our path to "destruction".

By "destruction", I mean ending of this country as a constitutional republic, the demise of genuine competitive free enterprise, and dumbing-down social decay as evidenced in our 24/7 celebrity culture.

We are witnessing, in my opinion, what is actually happening rather quickly in an historical perspective: the triumph of the mega-transnational corporate state and the "destruction" of the America that existed from 1789 until the latter half of the 20th century.

So, I don't think this is "crying wolf" at all.

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lamp_shade  (1000+ posts)        Sun Dec-05-10 01:14 PM
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7. My goodness...


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Octafish  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:15 PM
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8. Use the only thing they don't control.
   The Truth. And we still have the Internet to spread it.

The rest of the the means of communication, including Corporate McPravda, they control.

Outstanding post, yours, Cyrano. You have asked the central question, which few want to consider.
   

Take a hint Cyrano,when one of the biggest conspiracy loons at the DUmp agrees with you...run.
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RandomThoughts  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:16 PM
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10. Don't give up your freedom.
   Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 01:21 PM by RandomThoughts
If you evaluate based on circumstances then you can easily be gotten to join something you disagree with.

If you evaluate by best feeling and thought of what is correct, then you choose how you think on things.

So if your freedom is to know what is better and choose to be part of that or not, you are still free.



Or here is the real question, they believe everyone has a price, note that they would not send what is due to me on beer and travel money. So do you see for them the price is not material either, since that correction would not also get me to join them, but would allow me to maintain concepts of justice with compassion.


Think about that, I could get millions if I acted like some do, and could cause millions in transfers to happen making it really difficult on those with material things also if they ignore me.

But no material fix was given, because unless it includes training to be what I do not want to be by best thought and feeling, unless they can get me to join them, the money doesn't matter.


When I say it is not about the material, they prove it is not about the material also. This whole thing called life is about one side trying to break your spirit, and another giving hope and ways to try and help people.


The conditions you mention are because we are behind enemy lines. Welcome to the 101st Airborne paratroopers. It is not easy. I figure hold the bridge, till reinforcements arrive, been doing that for decades.


And when you can get a song from home on the radio, find joy in it.

Yeah...that.

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obxhead  (1000+ posts)        Sun Dec-05-10 01:18 PM
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11. We didn't just sit back.
   We put Dems in control of the House, the Senate, and the White House. What more can we do other than open revolt?

Razor blades I think are the answer.

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grasswire  (1000+ posts)        Sun Dec-05-10 01:28 PM
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19. the century of the America dream seems to have been an illusion
   Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 01:32 PM by grasswire
...and we certainly bought into it hook line and sinker.

"You can be anything you want to be." Well, yes, if you lived in America between 1930 and 1980. You could go to college, buy a house, and live pretty well. A child of poverty could indeed rise to be a wealthy man.

But the masters have decided to take us another direction. And now we see that we are no more free to shape our own destiny than were our forebears, who may have been sharecroppers or slaves or sweatshop sufferers or homesteaders or peasants -- starving, ill, unable to live with human decency.

This is a hard and shocking reality to absorb. Complete betrayal of humanity by the elites. Snookered. Used. Abused.

For people who were sold democracy, it's especially bitter now.

I don't know what will happen. I suppose it is as likely that fascism will come as it is likely that true leadership will arise to help us regain equilibrium. In the first case, the first task will be survival for ourselves and our loved ones. Expect the best, but prepare for the worst. And don't let go of your loved one's hand if they force you to get in lines.

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azul  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:33 PM
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22. I know, I know
   A constitutional amendment:

"People have the right to be free of debt and financial obligation. Debt is loss of freedom, people have the right to have their lives not be controlled by usury. Excessive love of money has transformed our capitalistic system into a form of economic slavery for many.

Every four years, on the day of the presidential election, when people vote, their outstanding debts will be forgiven."

-The USA jubilee amendment. Debt is what this current financial racket is based upon.

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STUFF!!!!!!!

DUmmies,your despair brightens my day.  :cheersmate:


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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 02:04:34 PM »
Well, well.

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What I’m speaking of here is the complete theft of our well being, our ability to be informed, our financial security, our lives as we have known them, and virtually every freedom we have taken for granted.

I think that's why the third-largest Republican non-presidential landslide in American history happened last month; so as prevent this from happening.
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 02:19:46 PM »
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Or here is the real question, they believe everyone has a price, note that they would not send what is due to me on beer and travel money. So do you see for them the price is not material either, since that correction would not also get me to join them, but would allow me to maintain concepts of justice with compassion.

This person has mentioned being owed beer and travel money several times. Does anyone have a clue as to what he is talking about?
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 03:49:35 PM »
The radical muzzies must get a kick reading DU.  :-)
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 06:42:23 PM »
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Cyrano  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:04 PM
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Why are we just sitting back and witnessing our own destruction?   
Never mind. I know the answer to that question. It’s because those of us who realize we are being destroyed don’t have the means with which to stop it. And far too many others are totally clueless as to the whats and whys of what is happening to them. What I’m speaking of here is the complete theft of our well being, our ability to be informed, our financial security, our lives as we have known them, and virtually every freedom we have taken for granted.
We know who the thieves are. They are the super wealthy who own/control multinational corporations, who own/control all means of distribution, who own/control everything we need for survival, who own/control our political system, who own/control the media, and who own and control us. These owners are using the Republican Party as their spearhead in acquiring everything on this planet that there is to acquire. But, make no mistake about it. There are numerous Democrats who understand it and are going along with it to get their share of the spoils.
So here are my questions. Does anyone have the vaguest idea of what we can do to halt our slide into involuntary servitude? Does anyone have a clue as to how we can escape from the insidious oppression which has overtaken us? Does anyone know how we can regain our existence as a free people?
Boy, am I glad I voted for this primitive. The stupid is strong with him. Little does he know, the very people that he questions, are on the same forum as him. :mental: :mental:
It's almost comical, if it wasn't so sad. :naughty:
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 04:02:20 PM »
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azul  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:33 PM
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22. I know, I know
   A constitutional amendment:

"People have the right to be free of debt and financial obligation.

I am dumbfounded at the stupidity of a person who can't think 2 steps through.  How do they even know how to breathe?  In this DUmmie's perfect world, yes, of course there would be no debt.  Zero.  Nobody would ever ever lend.  Talk about people freezing in the streets. 

Look what killed the thread:

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Amonester  (1000+ posts)      Mon Dec-06-10 03:56 AM
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76. Launching a nation-wide, MASSIVE Hunger Strike of at least 65 to 75 percent of all U.S. citizens for a short period estimated to last no longer than 2 to 3 weeks. After just a couple of weeks of this 'gigantic and unprecedented economic STALE' the actual 'sold-out' pols would simply come BEGGING "on their knees" for the leader(s) of the Hunger Strike to call it off: that would be the perfect moment to remind them "who's their only boss"
  :lmao:  You're going to convince 75% of the US populace to simply go starving for .....what exactly? 

Oh what would we do without the DUmp? 
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 04:34:06 PM »
for four long years the donks have waged a war against America.  In the last two years there was the mother of all surges. Luckily, on NOvember 2 2010 there was a massive and decisive counter attack.

Democrats are the root of all evil.
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 04:42:11 PM »
For a group so upset that the taxes of "the wealthy" aren't going to go up, I sure don't see any of them volunteering to pay extra to try and make up the difference, no matter how small.  Not that they have an income to send any extra in ...

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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 06:32:06 PM »
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obxhead  (1000+ posts)        Sun Dec-05-10 01:18 PM
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11. We didn't just sit back.
We put Dems in control of the House, the Senate, and the White House. What more can we do other than open revolt?
God, I hope you DUmmies know what you're getting yourselves into. Somehow, I don't think you do.
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 07:07:43 PM »
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What more can we do other than open revolt?

Easy.  I find you revolting.  Next.     

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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 10:00:12 PM »
Watching a melt down.  :lmao:
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2010, 01:40:32 AM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on December 06, 2010, 10:00:12 PM
Watching a melt down.  :lmao:

Good, then it's not just me.    :lmao:

DUmmies went NUTS when Bush won in 2000, went STUPID when dims took over Congress in 2006, and have now crossed over into BATSHIT INSANE since Nov. 2nd.

I love a good hissyfit.  :popcorn:  The ones at DU are classic!    :lmao:
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2010, 04:10:12 AM »
Quote from: diesel driver on December 07, 2010, 01:40:32 AM
DUmmies went NUTS when Bush won in 2000, went STUPID when dims took over Congress in 2006, and have now crossed over into BATSHIT INSANE since Nov. 2nd.

Think of how much fun we'll have on November 7th, 2012, when they contemplate these words:

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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2010, 05:28:06 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on December 07, 2010, 04:10:12 AM
Think of how much fun we'll have on November 7th, 2012, when they contemplate these words:

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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2010, 06:46:25 AM »
Ah, the nameless, faceless "they"; perpetual perpetrators of vaguely sketched offenses.

One day someone will step-up and make them stop doing whatever it is they are doing and all will be right in the world.

Until then it's important to remember: you're equal measures of blameless and powerless.
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Re: Cyrano watching his destruction
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2010, 07:23:38 AM »
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azul  (1000+ posts)          Sun Dec-05-10 01:33 PM
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22. I know, I know
   A constitutional amendment:

"People have the right to be free of debt and financial obligation. Debt is loss of freedom, people have the right to have their lives not be controlled by usury. Excessive love of money has transformed our capitalistic system into a form of economic slavery for many.

What a great idea!!

Why, we'll just repeal the Law of Supply and Demand, and then suddenly everyone will have their own artesian Koolaid well and skittle-shitting unicorn!!

More super-concentrated genius from that septic think tank known as "The DUmp"!!!
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