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They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« on: November 15, 2010, 09:08:09 PM »
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They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
   
That chinless, facelifted ****, Mitch, who planted one hundred and fourteen million dollars in earmarks all by hizownself, today stood on the Senate floor and vowed to outlaw them in the next Congress.

Hey Mitch ...... blow me.

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You are just sore that unlike your side we are starting to listen to the will of the people.

Mitch was correct that if he doesn't listen to the people that, he can't blast the dems for not listening.

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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 09:15:19 PM »
No more earmarks, now and forever.

Up next, stop the spending.  Send up a weekly Obamacare repeal bill.  Target specific items for defunding.  Start with those dammed research grants into the sex lives of protozoons.  Close the African Dick-Washing schools.  Work up to lower-level agencies, and prepare for the attack on Cabinet-level Departments.

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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 09:24:07 PM »
I was listening to a radio show with an Oklahoma senator, Inhofe?  Anyway, he says this earmark thing isn't quite so simple.  His example was the latest budget had some line items for some military items.  One line item was changed from the original to something the military needs far worse, a certain number of fighter jets.  Because they changed the budget, that line is now considered an earmark.  If they have no earmark capability, they can only accept or deny the budget the president sends them, which makes the budget far more an executive branch decision, and takes it away from the legislative branch.  It seems like the will need to be a distinction between this type of earmark and the earmark that squeals like a pig.
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 09:58:16 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on November 15, 2010, 09:24:07 PM
...If they have no earmark capability, they can only accept or deny the budget the president sends them...

So deny it.  The House of Representatives, not the White House, has the budget power.

I don't see the problem.

(Besides, I'm inclined to let the dang Air Force decide whether to buy particular fighter jest, and how many.  Just cut 'em a check for "Operating an Air Force", and let them be the experts they are on how best to do that.)
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 09:41:11 AM »
First, the president did not start sending a budget to congress until Eisenhower. The budget is purely a duty of the Congress. Earmark as defined by most are the special goodies added out of committee to buy votes on the floor. Before the floor vote if they can the lawmakers can still put in a few hundred million for buildings/highways/grants just can't do it at the last minute. The congress can still direct funds as intended by the Constitution.

The truth is that congress can take the presidents PROPOSED budget and throw it directly in the trash. All the president can do is then veto the bills and the process starts all over in congress.

I would also like to see the amendment process reformed (sorry got a little throw up in the back of my mouth when I typed that) so that the only amendments to be proposed have to be germane to the bill at hand. In other words, no making unemployment go for three years in a defense appropriation bill.
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 10:05:24 AM »
Submit the fighter jet purchase as a separate appropriations bill.

In fact: the entire budget process should be broken up. Instead of lumping each Dept of Federally Funded ****eduppedness into a single omnibus bill make each congress person justify their vote for the Dept of Ed, Dept of Energy, NEA, NPR etc etc etc.

If you can't justify NPR don't hide it behind the DoD budget.

Go ahead and "properly message" your constituents why you absolutely, morally-imperatively, really gosh-darn it just had to used their money to fund Piss Christ.

If you later find you have too many individual bills then either your shit is too big and/or you won't have enough time left over to tell us which light bulbs to use in our homes.

Don't just outlaw earmarks; outlaw omnibus spending bills.
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 10:32:49 AM »
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Don't just outlaw earmarks; outlaw omnibus spending bills.

Right on!  HI5
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 10:36:40 AM »
Problem with Inhofe's argument, which does admittedly have a kernel of truth to it, is that Congress is notorious for abusing that power by buying shit for the military that it doesn't need and didn't ask for, up to and including entire ships, because of where the stuff would be built and how much it would cost instead of because the military asked for it. 
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 11:04:51 AM »
H5 to the rabbit as well.  Also, one to ExGeeEye for pointing out all the stupid research grants + the African dick-washing school.  All the ridiculous grants to study this and that are pointed out and laughed at, but NOTHING ever gets done about them. 
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 11:12:26 AM »
Quote from: Karin on November 16, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
H5 to the rabbit as well.  Also, one to ExGeeEye for pointing out all the stupid research grants + the African dick-washing school.  All the ridiculous grants to study this and that are pointed out and laughed at, but NOTHING ever gets done about them. 

Now you know Bonnie Fwank was sending his boyfriend to do that.
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2010, 11:13:37 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on November 16, 2010, 10:05:24 AM
Submit the fighter jet purchase as a separate appropriations bill.

In fact: the entire budget process should be broken up. Instead of lumping each Dept of Federally Funded ****eduppedness into a single omnibus bill make each congress person justify their vote for the Dept of Ed, Dept of Energy, NEA, NPR etc etc etc.

If you can't justify NPR don't hide it behind the DoD budget.

Go ahead and "properly message" your constituents why you absolutely, morally-imperatively, really gosh-darn it just had to used their money to fund Piss Christ.

If you later find you have too many individual bills then either your shit is too big and/or you won't have enough time left over to tell us which light bulbs to use in our homes.

Don't just outlaw earmarks; outlaw omnibus spending bills.

H5 for common sense! Too bad none of them could figure this out.

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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 11:40:35 AM »
Quote from: ExGeeEye on November 15, 2010, 09:15:19 PM
No more earmarks, now and forever. Up next, stop the spending.  Send up a weekly Obamacare repeal bill.  Target specific items for defunding.  Start with those dammed research grants into the sex lives of protozoons.  Close the African Dick-Washing schools.  Work up to lower-level agencies, and prepare for the attack on Cabinet-level Departments.
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H5 for the great post. :cheersmate:
Washington, I really do hope you're listening! No more stupid spending.
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 11:49:02 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on November 16, 2010, 10:05:24 AM
Don't just outlaw earmarks; outlaw omnibus spending bills.

H5 for being so right.
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 11:49:48 AM »
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Re: They seem to have renewed their vows and retaken the Hipocritic Oath.
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2010, 07:08:01 PM »
Quote from: ExGeeEye on November 15, 2010, 09:58:16 PM
So deny it.  The House of Representatives, not the White House, has the budget power.

I don't see the problem.

(Besides, I'm inclined to let the dang Air Force decide whether to buy particular fighter jest, and how many.  Just cut 'em a check for "Operating an Air Force", and let them be the experts they are on how best to do that.)
It was my understanding that this is exactly what they did...removed something from the president's budget to give the military what the military said they really needed. 

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