primitives take issue with Lord Horatio Nelson re: veterans

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9553102

Oh my.

Stinky The Clown  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-13-10 05:58 PM
LORD HORATIO NELSON, #05 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Original message

On Veteran's Day I made a post about our gov't's broken promises with which some of you took issue 

Some thought it disrespectful to vets that I cited our government's - our country's - pattern of broken promises.

You can see who and why some took issue. That thread is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Today, on the radio, I heard the story cited and linked below . . . .

Working up a sweat, and helping veterans

MCLEAN, Va. - The Tysons Sport & Health club was full of people helping out Wounded Warriors by working up a good sweat.

More than 20 Sport & Health clubs across the D.C. area were participating in "Sweat for a Vet," an event co-sponsored by the health club and Project VisAbility, that will raise funds to buy equipment that will assist in physical rehabilitation efforts at Walter Reed Army Hospital and the Bethesda National Naval Medical Center.

The Tysons club hosted the primary event, three hours of indoor cycling and kranking, with a live video feed playing at the other participating locations.

Debbie Miller, founder of Project VisAbility, a non-profit that promotes inclusive fitness, says making exercise available to wounded warriors give them a chance to get back into sports "which generally gives on a sort of inspiration to get back into life.

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=2117346

I think the people doing this are wonderful. I commend them, each and every one of them. I have no criticism of them whatsoever.

But why does the need for what they do even exist? Why? Why do people need to hold bake sales to buy rehab equipment for Walter Reed Hospital?? Can anyone explain that? Is our government now a charity??? Who is withholding the funds the government ought to be spending on this gym equipment. Who is doing that?

This is just one tiny example. Every night, over 100,000 vets are sleeping on the streets, homeless. The homeless problem in the US is massive. Those hundred thousand or so are a drop in the bucket. So why are they homeless? Why isn't there funding to take care of the vets who need it?

People are holding bake sales to fund veteran rehab. How wrong is it that we have to do such things? It is simply a travesty. Yet that is where we are.

A bake sale.

By the way. The Wounded Warriors is a private organizartion working to help severely wounded vets. Again, praiseworthy. But why? Why do we need them? This is the job for the government, for We The People.

Angry Dragon  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-13-10 06:12 PM
Response to Original message
 
5. It is just like the people that are against abortions

All these groups that would kill to stop abortions don't care about the baby once it is born.

Their work is done, time ti stop the next abortion.

The people that wave the flags fiercely and say they support the troops only care about the troops as long
as they are troops. Leave the service, you have served your purpose, time to wave the flag some more, you are on your own.

madrchsod  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-13-10 06:39 PM
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6. we are a nation of beg-a-thons...

it makes people feel good about giving or volunteering and that`s a good thing but it should`t be the ultimate answer. the cost of the war on the iraqi and afghan people could cost more on the than the korean and vietnam war combined.

and what for? oil and natural gas pipelines?

Brickbat  (1000+ posts)      Sat Nov-13-10 08:34 PM
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12. By holding fundraisers for vets, old people, and people without health insurance, it allows people who don't want to participate in such things through taxes to feel superior. I know, I know -- I don't know how that works, either.

[BEG]

Angry Dragon  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-13-10 06:12 PM
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5. It is just like the people that are against abortions

All these groups that would kill to stop abortions don't care about the baby once it is born.

Their work is done, time ti stop the next abortion.

The people that wave the flags fiercely and say they support the troops only care about the troops as long
as they are troops. Leave the service, you have served your purpose, time to wave the flag some more, you are on your own.

I get so sick of this line, they have no idea what the pro-life groups do for children after they are born. They don't know how many people adopt children, donate to causes for children or donate their time for underprivileged children.

I seriously don't understand their rabid pro abortion fascination. They rant and rave about a child being "collateral" damage in war but think it's A-ok to rip a baby apart as long as it is still in the womb. They are such huge hypocrites.

[BEG]

Another thing, the asswipes comment about the troops....the great majority that support and fundraise for the troops once they come home are conservatives....people like DUers are the ones who spit on them.

[AprilRazz]

So they whine about this and in the same breath say they want to slash the military budget. Where do they think the money comes from for places like Bethesda?

[NHSparky]

Angry Dragon  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-13-10 06:12 PM
Response to Original message
 
5. It is just like the people that are against abortions

All these groups that would kill to stop abortions don't care about the baby once it is born.

Their work is done, time ti stop the next abortion.

The people that wave the flags fiercely and say they support the troops only care about the troops as long
as they are troops. Leave the service, you have served your purpose, time to wave the flag some more, you are on your own.

Ya know, I'm all for the H5's and BS, but if someone like this were to post something like this here, we'd need a "Throat-Punch" clicky.

Dear shitstain--I WAS one of the troops.  I still support them by working with VSO's like the VFW and American Legion, not to mention I've personally thanked more than a few travelling in uniform.  What the **** have YOU done?

[Chris_]

Angry Dragon  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-13-10 06:12 PM
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All these groups that would kill to stop abortions don't care about the baby once it is born.

I would argue that conservatives do more to support children than any bloated government program demanded by liberals.  Divorce, drug use, failing schools, crime... they've all ballooned since the 1970's when liberals got their hands on the reigns of power and turned our society inside out.

[terry]

Who is withholding the funds the government ought to be spending on this gym equipment. Who is doing that?

Democrats in congress and the democrat in the White House would be my guess. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I get so sick of this line, they have no idea what the pro-life groups do for children after they are born. They don't know how many people adopt children, donate to causes for children or donate their time for underprivileged children.

I seriously don't understand their rabid pro abortion fascination. They rant and rave about a child being "collateral" damage in war but think it's A-ok to rip a baby apart as long as it is still in the womb. They are such huge hypocrites.

The analogy I used the last time this was thrown at me is:

Just because the state has laws to keep husbands from murdering their wives doesn't mean the government is suddenly obligated to provide the *husband* with a lifetime of welfare benefits for sex and clothes-washing so as to subsidize his desire to be rid of a nettlesome spouse.

Alas, the response was "I don't get it" but at least it shut him up on that point.

[JohnnyReb]

If the DUmmies would provide for themselves instead of sucking all they can from the government tit....our wounded vets could live a life of luxury.

[NHSparky]

If the DUmmies would provide for themselves instead of sucking all they can from the government tit....our wounded vets could live a life of luxury.

So could they.  Hate and graft that deep takes a LOT of energy to sustain.

[true_blood]

madrchsod  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-13-10 06:39 PM
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6. we are a nation of beg-a-thons...    (Your lord zero wants that very much to happen. Why else would the imposter fund more to unemployments benefits than to the economy? You can thank the lord zero and Nazi Pelosi about that.)
it makes people feel good about giving or volunteering and that`s a good thing but it should`t be the ultimate answer.    (It's called CHARITY, DUmmie. Something the DUmmies and libatrds know nothing about.)
the cost of the war on the iraqi and afghan people could cost more on the than the korean and vietnam war combined. and what for? oil and natural gas pipelines?   (Really?!? Wow, I learn something new everyday from the DUmpkies. So, we went to war for oil and natural gas lines?!)

[DumbAss Tanker]

What's really 'Necessary,' Stinky?  For the vast majority of those vets, Government programs, including their military disability or retired pay and VA care, probably DO meet those bare 'Minimum, necessary' requirements.  But all these programs are ways for people to show their appreciation and provide MORE than that Moscow-apartment-block-Leftist entitlement mentality idea of 'Necessary' on which your so-called mind seems to be fixated.

Now shut up and change the cat box.  No sneaking kitty chocolates for your sick little hobbies this time, either!