Chavez steals property, DUmbasses applaud

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The Northerner (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 04:02 AM
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Chavez Says Venezuela's Golf Courses Should be Seized, Put to Other Uses
   
President Hugo Chavez said some of Venezuela’s golf courses should be expropriated and used for other purposes.

“That’s an injustice -- that someone should have the luxury of having I don’t know how many hectares to play golf and drink whiskey and, next door, there’s misery and children dying when there are landslides,” Chavez said during his weekly television show, “Alo, Presidente.”

Dozens of people died in the past month when landslides caused their homes to collapse after heavy rains. Chavez said he will dedicate himself to resolving Venezuela’s housing shortage.

Chavez also called on Venezuelans to actively look for abandoned private land to expropriate.

“Look for irregularities, and by that I mean good land that’s been abandoned,” he said.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-31/chavez-says-ve...


Bravo!

If only that kind of distribution was implemented here.

Many applause follows. Then there's this exchange:

digitaln3rd (104 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 04:21 AM
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4. Yes.
   
How *dare* people be free to own their own properties and provide a service. :/

How anyone can like this dictator is beyond me.

jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 04:34 AM
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6. It's not about freedom, it's about justice
   
Chavez gets it. Too bad you don't

This is why slavery should be re-legalized and liberals sold to their betters.

digitaln3rd (104 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 05:14 AM
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13. Yeah, no.
   
I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem if the government came in and said "we need the land your house is on so we can pave over it and make a road to a hospital" then?

Sorry, I don't swoon over dictators....

jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 05:17 AM
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14. So how many golf courses do you own?
   
If it's not more than zero, you need to ask yourself if you're identifying with the right people.

Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 08:02 PM
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172. Ding ding ding.
   
This reaction is common in America. We are trained to identify with and defend the ruling class. We are trained to worry more about "fairness" to them than fairness to ourselves.

PavePusher (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 06:18 PM
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123. Exactly how does stealing private property provide this "justice"?
   
How would seizing a golf course help victims of mud slides?

jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 06:57 PM
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148. It's not stealing and it's not private property
   
The entire community pays the price for the misuse of large tracts of land. My guess is the former owners of those golf courses are gonna be just fine.

See the change of definitions?

Soon after dissent against domestic policy is called treason.

Oh wait, they already do that.

jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 07:45 PM
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163. Yes, we do.
   
I'm using the democratic definition, you're using the capitalistic definition.

If it will make you happy, I think the owners should be paid for their land. Just first subtract the total environmental costs over the lifetime of their ownership and the expense of restoring their manicured paradise to something that's actually useful.

 

polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 05:10 AM
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11. Are dictators normally democratically elected ... and overwhwelmingly supported by their nation's
   
people? Chavez has brought millions from hunger and illiteracy to much better lives.

Damned dictators.

Most of them, actually.

mudplanet (533 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 05:47 AM
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25. It's called democracy. If the majority of us feel that it's wrong for someone
   
or some group to live in obscene luxury while next door people are literally starving to death, we tell our legally elected representatives to pass a law preventing it.

Capitalism is not democracy.

So when the majority decides Jews are just too inconvenient...?

laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 07:57 AM
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32. Even if people who worked 40 years & never made enough to live on starve...
   
and sleep on the streets while the land is used for a golf course?

Somehow, that doesn't jive with being a 'nice guy.'

And?

What ****ing good does seizing the golf course do for a homeless person?

Are you going to force them to live there?

Are you telling us Venezuela is so-o-o over populated this is the last place to sleep?


Just wait until it is their beloved artsy-fartsy shit on the chopping block.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9431021

And on it goes...

[Ballygrl]

I think food rationing is still going on in Venezuela, so who exactly is Chavez enriching with all this stealing he's doing?

[JohnnyReb]

Lets name the places where taking the land has worked out so well and the people had more to eat than they could stand.

1-USSR
2-China
3-Korea
4-Cuba
5-Rhodesia....Zimbabwe

[chitownchica]

Laughingliberal runs a close second to EFerrari on idiocy when speaking about Chavez.  She's definitely of the mind that everyone should be equally miserable.

[crockspot]

The golf course is nothing.. He also just snatched a glass factory owned by Owens Corning of Ohio, and some other huge manufacturing plant.

[Attero Dominatus]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9431021

The Northerner (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 12:02 AM
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Chavez Says Venezuela's Golf Courses Should be Seized, Put to Other Uses
   
President Hugo Chavez said some of Venezuela’s golf courses should be expropriated and used for other purposes.

“That’s an injustice -- that someone should have the luxury of having I don’t know how many hectares to play golf and drink whiskey and, next door, there’s misery and children dying when there are landslides,” Chavez said during his weekly television show, “Alo, Presidente.”

Dozens of people died in the past month when landslides caused their homes to collapse after heavy rains. Chavez said he will dedicate himself to resolving Venezuela’s housing shortage.

Chavez also called on Venezuelans to actively look for abandoned private land to expropriate.

“Look for irregularities, and by that I mean good land that’s been abandoned,” he said.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-31/chavez-says-ve...


Bravo!

If only that kind of distribution was implemented here.
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What part of PRIVATE PROPERTY do you primitives not understand?

BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 12:03 AM
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1. Putting people first! Bravo!   Updated at 1:04 PM
   
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The Soviet Union also 'put people first,' by stealing the farmers' crops at gunpoint.

digitaln3rd (104 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 12:21 AM
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4. Yes.
   
How *dare* people be free to own their own properties and provide a service. :/

How anyone can like this dictator is beyond me.
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Someone's mole.

jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 12:34 AM
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6. It's not about freedom, it's about justice
   
Chavez gets it. Too bad you don't.
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Well, by all means, go move to Venezeula.

digitaln3rd (104 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:14 AM
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13. Yeah, no.
   
I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem if the government came in and said "we need the land your house is on so we can pave over it and make a road to a hospital" then?

Sorry, I don't swoon over dictators....
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:17 AM
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14. So how many golf courses do you own?
   
If it's not more than zero, you need to ask yourself if you're identifying with the right people.
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:59 AM
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26. Uh, that actually happens. It's called 'eminent domain'.
   
How do you think they built the interstate highways?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 03:07 PM
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153. True but the question is, does what Chavez suggests include
   
compensation to the owners? Eminent Domain does.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 04:40 PM
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188. Yes, it does.    Updated at 1:11 PM
   
Venezuela’s land reform gives land back to those who work it

Article 15 also guarantees “fair compensation” to all expropriated property, a provision with which the Chavez government complied as it confiscated 2.5 million hectares (6.2 million acres) of land from private owners between 2001 and 2009. The land has been either turned over to small farmers or used for state farms and research laboratories.


And the wealthy land-owners have killed over 200 peasants and tried to oust the elected president as a result of the law.

Here, people just move and take whatever the government offers. But then here, land is never taken from the wealthy, it is generally taken from the middleclass. The wealthy do not want to live next door to the Walmarts they build. I imagine if the U.S. was taking land from the wealthy, there would be plenty of violence here also.
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Except that the definition of 'fair' is left up entirely to Chavez's regime, and it still does not change the fact that Hugo Chavez is a new Fidel Castro.

Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 09:19 AM
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64. Exactly correct, as per the SCOTUS
   
Now, a city/county/state can invoke eminent domain on low income housing for the purpose of creating a higher income tax base, hi-end condos or shopping malls, etc, for said city/county/state.

Chavez is suggesting using eminent domain on high income play grounds, not on low income housing.


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Yes, destroying the producers is a such a great way to stimulate the economy

PavePusher (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 02:18 PM
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123. Exactly how does stealing private property provide this "justice"?
   
How would seizing a golf course help victims of mud slides?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 02:57 PM
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148. It's not stealing and it's not private property
   
The entire community pays the price for the misuse of large tracts of land. My guess is the former owners of those golf courses are gonna be just fine.
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 03:36 PM
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161. We seem to have very different definitions of...
   
"stealing" and "private property".

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 03:45 PM
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163. Yes, we do.
   
I'm using the democratic definition, you're using the capitalistic definition.

If it will make you happy, I think the owners should be paid for their land. Just first subtract the total environmental costs over the lifetime of their ownership and the expense of restoring their manicured paradise to something that's actually useful.

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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:10 AM
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11. Are dictators normally democratically elected ... and overwhwelmingly supported by their nation's
   
people? Chavez has brought millions from hunger and illiteracy to much better lives.


Damned dictators.
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The National Socialist German Workers Party was elected too.

WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 05:27 AM
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42. "A service"? Bwahahahaha! And I'm the daughter of a club champion.
   
YES, sometimes private ownership of property IS A SOCIAL INJUSTICE.

Just because YOU have been inculcated with capitalist beliefs does not make them decent or good.
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Then practice what you preach and give your home, your money and everything you own to the 'common good.'

Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 04:00 PM
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171. It's probably because
   
Many of us don't buy into the whole right-wing neo-libertarian "free to own properties and provide a service" line you just trotted out.

Sure, people are free to do that if all other things are equal, but they aren't. The common good comes first.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:40 PM
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98. Government who say they are for the poor this and for the poor that
   
All have the poorest people. If I was 70 and saved my money honestly and wanted to play golf, I shouldn't have to worry about the needy if I don't want to.
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Welcome to reality. Wealth redistribution always results in poverty and tyranny.

Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 04:08 PM
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177. Forgot the sarcasm tag?
   
Or is yet another mole with 1000+ posts running loose?
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Incognitus Czar (36 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:22 AM
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18. oh lawdy
   
This damn dictator just can't get enough private property to seize can he?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:42 AM
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21. Who told you he was a dictator?
   
Kill your ****ing TV.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:46 AM
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24. Banning private golf courses doesn't exactly make him a non-dictator
   
Looking for a word that means opposite of a dictator, but can't find one...Hey, it's late. Gonna go check to see if I can have a glass of wine. Oh wait, I live in a free society and am over 21, I don't need the government's permission, yay!
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 01:38 PM
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97. I'm not gonna reply to all 8 relies
   
All I'll say is many of you love government way too much. Not every Democrat wants the government to help some by hurting others. There is no getting around banning golf courses. I didn't say he was a dictator, but he sure is a quasi one.
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He is a dictator.

[chitownchica]

The golf course is nothing.. He also just snatched a glass factory owned by Owens Corning of Ohio, and some other huge manufacturing plant.

A steel plant as well I think.

[Attero Dominatus]

Dupe. Mr. Snuggle Bunny beat me to this one.

[Carl]

One has to enter the world of DUmmy think where government seizure of an asset automatically equals money in their pocket and a better life with no effort of their own.

[Attero Dominatus]

A steel plant as well I think.

And an American owned oil well.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519515,00.html

[formerlurker]

Chavez Says Venezuela's Golf Courses Should be Seized, Put to Other Uses

Bad game? 

[ColonialMarine0431]

Soak the rich mentality. Hmmmm...what other "leader" in the Americas has this world view?

[Attero Dominatus]

laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 03:15 PM
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156. Sounds like our own RW. Democratically elected President=Socialist Dictator. At least he's not...
   
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 03:16 PM by laughingliberal
Kenyan.

Political wilderness? Seeing as how he's reduced poverty by 75% since coming to power, that looks like some pretty nice wilderness to me.
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Yes Venezeula is so prosperous they ration food and outlaw dissenting opinion!

Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 04:31 PM
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183. + a lot
   
Exactly right.

It's threads like this where you can easily distinguish the thoughtful from the programmed.
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You and 90% of your kind who think communism works are the ones who are brainwashed.

[true_blood]

jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Mon Nov-01-10 06:57 PM
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148. It's not stealing and it's not private property
The entire community pays the price for the misuse of large tracts of land. My guess is the former owners of those golf courses are gonna be just fine.

OH! So, it's "ok" if you take away their land and golf courses because they have plenty of money and because jgraz doesn't have a golf course, so it's "ok" to take away their property. Hey jgraz, have you made it past the 5th grade, you degenerate skrunt?! Punish the successful, it makes jgraz "feeeeellllll" better because he's not a golf course owner.
The thinking of these DUMmies is beyond stupidity at it's finest.

[ColonialMarine0431]

LibTURDs are generally losers who can't cut it.

 They either become Civil Servants or social agitators who call for the appropriation of property of those that have worked hard for what they have.

They are parasites, not producers. They are a cancer on the body that feeds on healthy tissue. There are 2 solutions to cancer: you treat it, or you cut it out and eradicate it. Since liberals can't be treated, that leaves only one option.

[Ballygrl]

Laughingliberal runs a close second to EFerrari on idiocy when speaking about Chavez.  She's definitely of the mind that everyone should be equally miserable.

For some reason she seems a little more rational on Old Elm Tree, on DU? she's as much of a kook as the rest of them are.

[true_blood]

LibTURDs are generally losers who can't cut it.

 They either become Civil Servants or social agitators who call for the appropriation of property of those that have worked hard for what they have.

They are parasites, not producers. They are a cancer on the body that feeds on healthy tissue. There are 2 solutions to cancer: you treat it, or you cut it out and eradicate it. Since liberals can't be treated, that leaves only one option.

Very well said Colonial.

[dandi]

PavePusher (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon Nov-01-10 06:18 PM
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123. Exactly how does stealing private property provide this "justice"?
   
How would seizing a golf course help victims of mud slides?

It doesn't. "Justice" to a moonbat means making sure everyone is equally miserable. It's the Socialist Way.

It's no different than a petulant child breaking the toy of a sibling because they didn't get the same toy.

[jukin]

You know what chavez really did?

He just took another 10% off everything in the rest of mexico, ca, and sa.  Nobody in their right mind will put dime one down in that area when they hear about nationalization anywhere in the southern hemisphere.  chavez has killed that area.  Brazil may do well but could have done so much better. Hugo and the drug gangs have ****ed over a 100 million people that were clawing their way into second world status.