Girl, age 8, takes Bible to school (Exercising First Amendment rights)

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Whoa_Nelly  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-25-10 12:58 PM
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Girl, age 8, takes Bible to school (Exercising First Amendment rights)
   
Edited on Sat Sep-25-10 12:59 PM by Whoa_Nelly
My granddaughter, age 8, grade 3, was told by a peer that bringing the Bible to school is illegal. Naturally, knowing the basics of her First Amendment rights, she replied, "No it's not. And I will prove it by bringing a Bible to school." So, the next day, she did. She placed it on her desk...that's all. The teacher freaked out, called the principal, they whispered together.

Then, the teacher told her it would be better if she just left it at home. (oops! wrong thing to say! My granddaughter said, "No. I will be bringing it back on Monday and will put it on my desk again."

Now my g-daughter is not particularly religious, but she is all about taking a stand for what's right. I am amazed and VERY proud of her for connecting what she has learned at home about First Amendment rights and exercising those rights by her open choice of action. She has always been this way: Standing for what's right and looking to change the world for the better one day, one choice at a time.

My granddaughter! She Rocks! ♥

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9199470

Hmmm and just which group of people made it so bringing a Bible to class is almost as bad as bringing a gun?
I'll give you a hint, it wasn't us.

No replies yet but I am betting this thread will end up getting locked and/ or scrubbed.

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Lochloosa  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-25-10 01:01 PM
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1. A Big K/R for you granddaughter. Well done.
   
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Sat Sep-25-10 01:02 PM
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2. Now that is my kind of 8 year old--go her!
   
Edited on Sat Sep-25-10 01:03 PM by coffeenap
:bounce:

These 2 popped up while I was making this thread.
I am surprised that they are cheering her standing up to the rules put in place by the left.

[ColonialMarine0431]

When did the DUmmies get religion?

[Mike220]

When did the DUmmies get religion?

Not sure. They'll get over it in a day or two.

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stray cat  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-25-10 01:07 PM
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6. More DUers would have cheered her and none would condemn it

Oh I bet a bunch of you have your DU thongs in a bunch over this but, since she is from a liberal household it's all of a sudden ok. If she came from a "fundy" household you would be outraged.

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Brickbat  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-25-10 01:38 PM
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19. I can't help but think about what the responses would be if the OP were pulled word--for-word from
   
FR and posted here. Yeah, I'm cynical today.

Lousy freeper troll. 

Posteritatis  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-25-10 01:43 PM
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21. If it was a news report the responses would probably be savaging the kid
   
The usual ranting about "disruption" and how students have no rights because their parents don't recognize the law, etc. People online tend to get a bit more polite when they can see some connection (in this case, the kid being related to a fellow DUer), though.

Another freeper troll. 

[formerlurker]

"No. I will be bringing it back on Monday and will put it on my desk again."

I don't care what book it is, this response is unacceptable.  Students aren't allowed to bring toys in, this falls in the same category.   If the students were asked to bring in a book to read and the teacher is not accepting this book, that is one thing.  However randomly bringing in a Bible just to gain negative attention is attention whoring to the max.     

She is only 8 years old.   I am sure this is all parent driven. 

 
 

[true_blood]

When did the DUmmies get religion?

Only when it helps their ridiculous arguments.

[MrsSmith]

It's very interesting that Grandma has felt it necessary to explain, repeatedly, that her granddaughter IS NOT RELIGIOUS!!!!     The reason you take that book somewhere has everything to do with it's protection under the First Amendment, evidently.   

This has turned into quite a bonfire...love this exchange...

stopbush  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-25-10 02:07 PM
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28. Just sad to see yet another child being brainwashed into believing that that repugnant book
   
is worth treating as a First Amendment right icon.

Hopefully, Americans will eventually move away from thinking that displaying racist, misogynistic, anti-intellectual and anti-human shit like the Bible on their desktops is anymore an appropriate expression of freedom of speech than would the displaying of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

BTW - why not ask your granddaughter to read through a few chapters of the Bible, especially the ones that outline in no uncertain terms that women are to be considered the property of the men in their lives? Then, you can move on to the Yahweh-ordered and approved genocide of whole tribes of people, followed by the theft of their lands and the use of their women as prostitutes. Might as well start with the good stuff.

After all, there is no right to free speech enunciated anywhere in that ******* book. Quite the opposite. Is your grand-daughter aware of that fact?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Sat Sep-25-10 02:10 PM
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33. Say what?
   
Missing the point much.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list     Sat Sep-25-10 02:20 PM
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39. Not at all. I'm talking about an "appropriate" choice to make into a First Amendment issue.
   
I see no point in availing ones self of such a repugnant book to 1. provoke a response, and 2. make a First Amendment point as a secondary issue.

Provoking a response was the main point of bringing the book to school, at least that's what I gather quite clearly from the OP.

You're the one missing the greater point.

cherokeeprogressive  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-25-10 09:32 PM
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154. The fact that you find it repugnant makes it THE PERFECT First Amendment example. PERFECT.

How can you not get that?

It seems like the bulk of the DUmmies can't get the First Amendment...the idea of religious freedom totally escapes them, as evidenced by both sides of their little cat fight!   

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PoliticAverse  (53 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list       Sat Sep-25-10 04:33 PM
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87. "In loco parentis" restricts constitional rights in school
    
Courts have decided that schools act "in loco parentis" (in the place of a parent) and this gives them more control over a student's
actions than the constitution would otherwise allow if the school were treated as acting purely as a government.

The restrictions on "speech" are complicated, and there have been many cases on this matter - the cases tend to hinge whether the exercise of the students first amendment rights causes "disruption" to the learning environment.

From: HAZELWOOD SCHOOL DISTRICT ET AL. v. KUHLMEIER ET AL. ,SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, January 13, 1988, Decided:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/firsta...
We have nonetheless recognized that the First Amendment rights of students in the public schools "are not automatically coextensive with the rights of adults in other settings," and must be "applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment."

Boy barred from reading Bible story loses Supreme Court appeal
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=4946

See also: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/studentspeech.htm

Whoa_Nelly  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-25-10 04:41 PM
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93. Whatever
   
Edited on Sat Sep-25-10 04:47 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Am glad I posted about my granddaughter and am very proud of her :loveya:

and thank you for your input. :hi:

   

[miskie]

Gee, I feel all the love at DU..  Like they always have when Bibles in school crops of.. For example, this thread from 2007..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1764556

So much love...   

[JohnnyReb]

Love/hate...hate/love...all the same to DUmmies...just more 4 letter words.

[diesel driver]

When did the DUmmies get religion?

I don't know, but I'm sure there's a drug out there to cure it.

Just wondering, how upset would DUmmies/teacher/principal be if this was a koran instead of the Holy Bible?

Or Karl Marx.

Or Mein Kamft

Or Rules For RATicals

You get the pic.

[vesta111]

I don't know, but I'm sure there's a drug out there to cure it.

So if the child is not RELIGIOUS why choose a religious text.?

I would be a bit perturbed to see an 8 year old bring in a book on the practices of Satanism, or How to molest children for fun and profit.

Would anything be said if she had brought in the Book of Mormon, .?