The Gays

[Wineslob]

Saying homosexuality is perverse is "hateful" because it's trying to assign a negative term to something that could just as easily not be described that way. Some people INSIST on using a term that makes homosexuals look like animals. Especially when "perverse" by an equal measure could be used to describe anything sexually abnormal.

Really?   

http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/index.php


Eye bleach required.

[Thor]

Really?   

http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/index.php


Eye bleach required.

Anywhere else, those folks would be arrested for public indecency and probably convicted. This would make many of them "sex offenders". I don't care what anybody says, that stuff just ain't right to be exhibited in public.

Many here are perfectly willing to tolerate it as a private matter, as long as just consenting adults are involved; however, there is a huge gulf between that and endorsing it as completely normal and proper by bestowing all the legalities of marriage on such a relationship.  Most here are emphatically not willing to take that very large additional step.

EXACTLY!! I don't condone or accept the GLBT lifestyle, but as long as they don't ask for special rights and don't try to cram their sick & perversive lifestyle down my throat, so to say, they can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes. Like Eupher, I'm not real keen on Public Displays of Affection. There is a time and a place for everything.

[Revolution]

Anywhere else, those folks would be arrested for public indecency and probably convicted. This would make many of them "sex offenders". I don't care what anybody says, that stuff just ain't right to be exhibited in public.

I'd rather the pic just be described to me. I'm afraid.

So....so afraid. 

[Mr Mannn]

I smoke and enjoy a few beers at the American Legion.

Old testament wise, I'd have been stoned a long time ago for many offenses involving women.

It is their lives.  I think they have the right to pick who they want to spend their time with.  I know a gay couple that has been together for 20 years.  I'm lucky if I can keep things together with a woman for a year.

Who the hell am I to judge.

You certainly seem willing to judge us.

I myself have NOT sinned with women.  I don't need to judge gays, God already has. And He is the one who called it perverse.

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."


The Word is clear. Unrepentant (practicing) homosexuals who die in their sin, GO TO HELL. They can go to church, they can call themselves a Christian...but if they are practicing homosexuals when they die--they will spend eternity in Hell.

This passage lists a number of sins that offer the same consequences for unrepentance. An unrepentant thief goes straight to hell as well.

BUT, no other sin listed in that passage has a number of followers out to forcibly legalize their sin-calling sin a civil right.

When Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulteress, He told her to. "Go and sin no more." Repentance doesn't mean perfection, or a lack of struggle...The sin must stop! If a gay or lesbian isn't even attempting to stop the sin-They will burn: end of story.

There you go. God made the judgment. I'm just echoing Him.
But even non-Christians know there is something inherently wrong with a gay lifestyle. All across the earth the majority of people rightly condemn homosexuality.  

[Allentownjake]

I like Peter more than Paul, I like Jesus the most.  He seemed to be silent on the matter and given it was during a Roman occupation of Israel.

I'm assuming it was going on...alot.

[MrsSmith]

You certainly seem willing to judge us.

So many in the "tolerant" group not only feel free to judge, they even feel free to pre-judge... without ever understanding our position.    

[Allentownjake]

So many in the "tolerant" group not only feel free to judge, they even feel free to pre-judge... without ever understanding our position.    

I understand it, I disagree.  There is a difference between disagreeing with you and judging you.  You are more than free to have any beliefs you want religiously, I'm sure there are things we agree on.

I don't think I've screamed homophobe or any other slur.  I've simply stated I disagree.

[MrsSmith]

I like Peter more than Paul, I like Jesus the most.  He seemed to be silent on the matter and given it was during a Roman occupation of Israel.

I'm assuming it was going on...alot.

Mat 19:4           And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and       female,
Mat 19:5         And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

..

Mar 10:6           But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7         For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Mar 10:8         And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

[MrsSmith]

I understand it, I disagree.  There is a difference between disagreeing with you and judging you.  You are more than free to have any beliefs you want religiously, I'm sure there are things we agree on.

I don't think I've screamed homophobe or any other slur.  I've simply stated I disagree.

This is true.  Disagreement is fine.  Rare, on your side of the fence, but fine.   

[vesta111]

What adults do in private is their own business.

When those adults insist on teaching their morals, their beliefs, and their sexual behaviors to our children, it's no longer their business.

When those adults insist on filing court cases to force the country to change the definition of an institution that is thousands of years old and has been proven to be the best situation for raising children and building civilization, thereby forcing their moral actions and opinions upon the entire country, they deserve to be called a lot worse than "perverse."  

They are, in fact, actively working toward sexualizing children and destroying what is left of the foundation of our society.  After the last few decades of experimenting with "free love" (an oxymoron, given the cost of STD's alone), the single-parent family, easy divorce, and the destruction of education, don't you think we've gone far enough in the "progressive" direction? It's time to turn around and take things back 50 or 60 years, rebuild real families, and put those private lives back behind doors.

Ms Smith,

Very well spoken if I may say so myself.

However, we cannot go back 50-60 years ago and find life any different from today except that the darkest actions were done in private, no help for the victim,   life was not as idyllic as we want to think.

In the 1500-to say today the city's are a  spawning ground of dispair.   The City's were a horror for the majority of people--one of the reasons hundreds of thousands went West and faced the hunger the heat, the unknown and never knew when a Native or horse thief would shoot them. 

Today the city's have not changed, except for the infrastructure.  Now the city's have sewage and running semi-clean water.  The people trapped in these big city's have no way to get out and move onto virgin land.

When I was a all most teen the small town I lived in began bring kids from city to spend the summer.  I could never understand the logic of this.  Kids that have never fished in a brook, gone sailing, did what we took for granted,  these kids ate 3 meals a day and had fresh vegetables at every meal, most of the host family's were farmers and the kids were around animals that were not RATS for the first time in their lives.

After 90 days of sleeping on a real bed with clean sheets and washed clothing, the kids had to go back to the city and sleep on bare floors and listen to their mother turning tricks in the night.

 I thought then as I do now, those poor kids were akin to a mistreated dog that is given a foster home for a year or so  loved and cared for, then is returned to the people that mistreated them.

Louis Armstrong in his biography tells what growing up in New Orleans was like for him as a kid.  If you can find his book I strongly suggest you read it.  Reading that book explained why white folks got the name Honkey.

[Allentownjake]

This is true.  Disagreement is fine.  Rare, on your side of the fence, but fine.   

One day we will find out who was right or who was wrong.  Neither of us will make that decision.

I'll trust God to sort this out. As for myself, I'll focus on my own shortcomings as a man and my temptations in my personal life, not others.

[true_blood]

One day we will find out who was right or who was wrong.  Neither of us will make that decision. I'll trust God to sort this out.

You are correct. He will.

[Mr Mannn]

I like Peter more than Paul, I like Jesus the most.  He seemed to be silent on the matter and given it was during a Roman occupation of Israel.

I'm assuming it was going on...alot.

Nice cop out.

But the fact remains you can't pick and choose what you want to believe and expect God to respect that. The Bible is all or nothing. Accept it or reject it...and deal with the consequences.

[debk]

So much to answer to,....


Issa....I'm glad that your mother has found happiness and contentment. Many people...who have never experienced the type of violent behavior a man can do to a woman - I'm not even talking about "stranger" rape - do not understand or are willing to even consider why...a woman would turn to another woman. While they are most fortunate to have never experienced the violence, neither can they comprehend - nor relate - to what the woman has experienced.

Jake....many many heterosexual consenting adults have "sinned" or broken local/state laws while engaging in sexual activity...they just don't know it.

In Little Rock(AR) if a man and woman flirt with each other on the streets they could be jailed for 30 days.

In Logan County(CO), it is illegal for a man to kiss a woman while she is asleep.

In Hartford(CT) a man can't kiss his wife on Sundays.

It's against the law to dream about another man's wife or cow(FL).

A man with a moustache can't kiss a woman in public.
Kisses can't last for more than 5 minutes. (IA)

In Portland, it is illegal for men to tickle women under the chin with feather dusters. (ME)

In Halethorpe(MD) it's illegal to kiss another person for more than 1 second.

In Salem even a married couple can't sleep together in the nude in rented rooms.(MA)

http://informationcentral0.tripod.com/id7.html
 

I daresay....most of us, by a certain age, may have done many of these that I mentioned...and there are lots more that are even more explicit and intimate.

Personally, what I do in my bedroom with my other half...is not only no one else's business, it also is not for them to judge whether or not, it may be a "sin". It's not their "right" to determine if it was a sin against God..

It is sad that many....who consider themselves to be "good Christians"...also consider themselves to be the morals judge and jury for everyone else. They aren't. They know in their hearts they aren't - if they are the "true Christians" that they profess to be. Yet, it doesn't stop them from making their judgement to be fact...for them.

Ah well....it is obvious that we Conservatives are not all in lock-step....

[thundley4]

So much to answer to,....


Issa....I'm glad that your mother has found happiness and contentment. Many people...who have never experienced the type of violent behavior a man can do to a woman - I'm not even talking about "stranger" rape - do not understand or are willing to even consider why...a woman would turn to another woman. While they are most fortunate to have never experienced the violence, neither can they comprehend - nor relate - to what the woman has experienced.

Jake....many many heterosexual consenting adults have "sinned" or broken local/state laws while engaging in sexual activity...they just don't know it.
 

I daresay....most of us, by a certain age, may have done many of these that I mentioned...and there are lots more that are even more explicit and intimate.

Personally, what I do in my bedroom with my other half...is not only no one else's business, it also is not for them to judge whether or not, it may be a "sin". It's not their "right" to determine if it was a sin against God..

It is sad that many....who consider themselves to be "good Christians"...also consider themselves to be the morals judge and jury for everyone else. They aren't. They know in their hearts they aren't - if they are the "true Christians" that they profess to be. Yet, it doesn't stop them from making their judgement to be fact...for them.

Ah well....it is obvious that we Conservatives are not all in lock-step....

When I first moved to Virginia , it was illegal for an unmarried couple to live together. 

[MrsSmith]

So much to answer to,....


Issa....I'm glad that your mother has found happiness and contentment. Many people...who have never experienced the type of violent behavior a man can do to a woman - I'm not even talking about "stranger" rape - do not understand or are willing to even consider why...a woman would turn to another woman. While they are most fortunate to have never experienced the violence, neither can they comprehend - nor relate - to what the woman has experienced.

Jake....many many heterosexual consenting adults have "sinned" or broken local/state laws while engaging in sexual activity...they just don't know it.
 

I daresay....most of us, by a certain age, may have done many of these that I mentioned...and there are lots more that are even more explicit and intimate.

Personally, what I do in my bedroom with my other half...is not only no one else's business, it also is not for them to judge whether or not, it may be a "sin". It's not their "right" to determine if it was a sin against God..

It is sad that many....who consider themselves to be "good Christians"...also consider themselves to be the morals judge and jury for everyone else. They aren't. They know in their hearts they aren't - if they are the "true Christians" that they profess to be. Yet, it doesn't stop them from making their judgement to be fact...for them.

Ah well....it is obvious that we Conservatives are not all in lock-step....

Good Christians know Who the Judge is...and care little enough about the opinion of "the world" to do their best to warn the lost and show them the way home.  It is, after all, not the world we are commanded to please.

[MrsSmith]

Ms Smith,

Very well spoken if I may say so myself.

However, we cannot go back 50-60 years ago and find life any different from today except that the darkest actions were done in private, no help for the victim,   life was not as idyllic as we want to think.

In the 1500-to say today the city's are a  spawning ground of dispair.   The City's were a horror for the majority of people--one of the reasons hundreds of thousands went West and faced the hunger the heat, the unknown and never knew when a Native or horse thief would shoot them. 

Today the city's have not changed, except for the infrastructure.  Now the city's have sewage and running semi-clean water.  The people trapped in these big city's have no way to get out and move onto virgin land.

When I was a all most teen the small town I lived in began bring kids from city to spend the summer.  I could never understand the logic of this.  Kids that have never fished in a brook, gone sailing, did what we took for granted,  these kids ate 3 meals a day and had fresh vegetables at every meal, most of the host family's were farmers and the kids were around animals that were not RATS for the first time in their lives.

After 90 days of sleeping on a real bed with clean sheets and washed clothing, the kids had to go back to the city and sleep on bare floors and listen to their mother turning tricks in the night.

 I thought then as I do now, those poor kids were akin to a mistreated dog that is given a foster home for a year or so  loved and cared for, then is returned to the people that mistreated them.

Louis Armstrong in his biography tells what growing up in New Orleans was like for him as a kid.  If you can find his book I strongly suggest you read it.  Reading that book explained why white folks got the name Honkey.

Until Christ comes back to rule, there will always be misery.  It's not limited to any race, or country.  It's OUR job to reduce it as much as possible.  With that in mind, the facts are that children are less likely to live in poverty if they have a real family...both of their natural parents in their home.  They are less likely to drop out of school, to get in trouble, to drink or take drugs if their parents maintain a family.  This won't take care of anywhere near all misery, but it's a good starting point. 

The last few decades of easy divorce, little pressure to avoid premarital  sex and pregnancy, no stigma attached to the man that dumps his "baby-mama" and moves on to the next foolish girl, and government assistance to make this entire lifestyle attractive to many, has led us where we are, massive gang violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, domestic abuse...and a society packed full of uneducated and uncivilized young people...especially men. 

Things were not perfect 50 years ago, but they were better.  If we could get the family back to that point, we'd have a foundation for repairing society instead of this nightmare mess the liberal elite have made of our country with the help of the foolish and gullible young adults that believe the "experts" when they say that kids shouldn't be spanked and that they're better off with Mom than in a home that has a less than perfect marriage at it's head.

[IassaFTots]

Issa....I'm glad that your mother has found happiness and contentment. Many people...who have never experienced the type of violent behavior a man can do to a woman - I'm not even talking about "stranger" rape - do not understand or are willing to even consider why...a woman would turn to another woman. While they are most fortunate to have never experienced the violence, neither can they comprehend - nor relate - to what the woman has experienced.

Deb, thanks for that, and just call me Tots, or Deb, that is ok.     Mom made her decision after I was all growed up, and to be quite frank, I am just happy she has a comforting relationship for her end years.....my friends comment that they (Mom and her Partner) act like the Aunts on the Waltons, hiding the still, and they do.

All the rest of it?  God will judge us all on our day.  I don't sweat it.  (Although there are some that say I should.) 

[vesta111]

Deb, thanks for that, and just call me Tots, or Deb, that is ok.     Mom made her decision after I was all growed up, and to be quite frank, I am just happy she has a comforting relationship for her end years.....my friends comment that they (Mom and her Partner) act like the Aunts on the Waltons, hiding the still, and they do.

All the rest of it?  God will judge us all on our day.  I don't sweat it.  (Although there are some that say I should.) 

Why do we think of sex when two people of the same sex live together ?

No one thinks anything when two brothers or two sisters live together, why think it nasty when the people are not related.?

Spinsters and their unmarried brother may live together ---who is going to call sex into that.?------woman may give up a life to care for elderly father,--is something going on here.?

It makes me wonder how sex got involved in living situitions in the first place.  Is it impossible to believe that two people of the same sex can live together with NO SEX.?

Hell look at the married couples that go 20 years with no sex.

As a girl I bonded with other girls and had we been older become their room mate.  I cannot imagine wanting to have sex with any of them.

We were innocent back then, thought nothing of holding hands and a big hug.  You see the schools had not taught us about the sexual life style.

We bonded and loved our friends never knowing that some day someone  would come along and call our actions into question. This was as  far from sex as one can get and we innocents were free to demonstrate our care and pure love for each other.

Same went as we grew older and had our first boyfriend, he became a special friend, but at that age sex was a mystery and not one to investigate.  Here I have us up to 12 -13 years old.

Today kids of any age come in the house and there is Daddy sitting on the couch drinking a beer, a joint in his hand and a hard core pono on the TV.

The daddy does not have to turn off the TV, the kids have allready seen the video last year in the 3 rd. grade in school.

[Duke Nukum]

Why do we think of sex when two people of the same sex live together ?

It's done on purpose as a way of breaking down society.

[JLO]

Why do we think of sex when two people of the same sex live together ?

No one thinks anything when two brothers or two sisters live together, why think it nasty when the people are not related.?

Spinsters and their unmarried brother may live together ---who is going to call sex into that.?------woman may give up a life to care for elderly father,--is something going on here.?

It makes me wonder how sex got involved in living situitions in the first place.  Is it impossible to believe that two people of the same sex can live together with NO SEX.?

Hell look at the married couples that go 20 years with no sex.

As a girl I bonded with other girls and had we been older become their room mate.  I cannot imagine wanting to have sex with any of them.

We were innocent back then, thought nothing of holding hands and a big hug.  You see the schools had not taught us about the sexual life style.

We bonded and loved our friends never knowing that some day someone  would come along and call our actions into question. This was as  far from sex as one can get and we innocents were free to demonstrate our care and pure love for each other.

Same went as we grew older and had our first boyfriend, he became a special friend, but at that age sex was a mystery and not one to investigate.  Here I have us up to 12 -13 years old.

Today kids of any age come in the house and there is Daddy sitting on the couch drinking a beer, a joint in his hand and a hard core pono on the TV.

The daddy does not have to turn off the TV, the kids have allready seen the video last year in the 3 rd. grade in school.

Good points to remember/ponder. 

Ever since Bill Clinton announced a BJ was not sex - hell's bells - kids have permission.  Apparently it starts in grade school now.  I cannot imagine.

[debk]

Good points to remember/ponder. 

Ever since Bill Clinton announced a BJ was not sex - hell's bells - kids have permission.  Apparently it starts in grade school now.  I cannot imagine.

I was so naive....I was a freshman in college, before I even knew what a BJ was!!!

Remember the book...Everything You Wanted to Know About Sex, But Were Afraid to Ask? I think when it first came out, you had to be 18 or 21 to buy it (I was 17)...one of the girls on my dorm floor somehow got one. A group of us would pile into a dorm room, and take turns reading it out loud to the others. I learned a lot that first semester.. ....sadly not enough for my Calculus and Chemistry grades....

[JLO]

I was so naive....I was a freshman in college, before I even knew what a BJ was!!!

Remember the book...Everything You Wanted to Know About Sex, But Were Afraid to Ask? I think when it first came out, you had to be 18 or 21 to buy it (I was 17)...one of the girls on my dorm floor somehow got one. A group of us would pile into a dorm room, and take turns reading it out loud to the others. I learned a lot that first semester.. ....sadly not enough for my Calculus and Chemistry grades....

For Pete's sake - we're the old farts now!   

Can you just imagine that! 

I know you'd be a fun gal pal for sure.  A few of my friends gathered together at a local watering hole-in-the wall - out in the boonies place tonight, and I cannot even post the naughty pics I took!  I would be banned for sure!.

Come on over - We're 40-60's age and we had the packed place howling.  I do have pics and videos, but they'd kill me.   

[Thor]

Why do we think of sex when two people of the same sex live together ?

Not all people do. This is apples and oranges.

No one thinks anything when two brothers or two sisters live together, why think it nasty when the people are not related.?

Probably because those people aren't forcing their sexual appetites down other peoples throats??

Spinsters and their unmarried brother may live together ---who is going to call sex into that.?------woman may give up a life to care for elderly father,--is something going on here.?

It makes me wonder how sex got involved in living situitions in the first place.  Is it impossible to believe that two people of the same sex can live together with NO SEX.?

Hell look at the married couples that go 20 years with no sex.

No, it's not impossible, but....... are those people asking to "marry" each other?? Are they exhibiting their immoral acts in public?? Again, apples and oranges.

Today kids of any age come in the house and there is Daddy sitting on the couch drinking a beer, a joint in his hand and a hard core pono on the TV.

I don't think that is as rampant as you allege. Are there isolated incidents of this happening?? Sure