primitives discuss slashing social security

[Carl]

No ****ing shit it is different than running a Kool-Aid stand, however, you think it is ok we reward failure with golden parachutes when people fail abysmally?  That makes a shit load of sense.  You've run the company into the ground and destroyed shareholder value.  Here is 50 million to retire.

So then I take it you are enraged with the UAW and the federal government for what they did to the value of GM stock and the damage to shareholders?

[Allentownjake]

So then I take it you are enraged with the UAW and the federal government for what they did to the value of GM stock and the damage to shareholders?

I don't believe you save companies by bailing them out.  I believe you delay what would happen anyway.

GM was dead man walking before the bailout, and will be long afterwards with government support.

I blame the UAW and GM's management.  It really has/had one of the most archaic management structures built in history. 

I had a friend who worked there when I lived in Indiana in their maintenance department, non-union low level management.  When I heard the management structure, I understood why they were failing.

[Wineslob]

I invite anyone to invest it on their own.  Quite frankly fraud is perfectly legal right now, as such I invite you to invest on your own.  Where do you plan to invest?  Honest companies aren't succeeding in this environment, and they weren't succeeding in the environment created by the last Oval Office occupant.

My 401K earns about 11%.......................Social Security?
Got any links?

[PatriotGame]

The fact they are firing a CEO over at HP and paying him 50 million for lying on expense reports and screwing a former star of soft porn and pissing her off, is kind of obscene.

Yet when your god Bill "Whoops! My pants fell down in the Oval Office!" Clinton was being orally serviced by a girl the same age as his daughter, he REMAINED in office while lying about it 100% of the time. That scumbag will be on *MY* payroll for the remainder of his life and retain all the perks associated with his former "employment". HP is a PRIVATE company OWNED by its share holders and the execs of the company can do whatever the **** they want with their payroll and benefits package! If you don't like it, don't purchase HP products and sell your HP stock. You DO own HP stock, yes? No you don't so go pound sand.
Get it DUmmy?

[PatriotGame]

First of all, I have a job.  I was unemployed for 8 months.  While unemployed and looking for work I volunteered at non-profits, because frankly sitting on my ass is kind of boring, plus you meet people.  I was fortunate in this environment, someone quit I got their job.  Happy about this, and am working harder than the person who quit.

I graduated with a degree in accounting with a minor in economics.  I am well aware of what is going on right now, both on corporate balance sheets and the government both state and federal.

Even being unemployed for 5 months, and the exemption of taxes on a few months of my unemployment, I was a taxpayer in both state and federal income taxes.  In fact, I owed the state of PA $30 at the end of the year.

As far as the CEOs go,  You do a shitty job like the candidate for Senate in California, I don't expect you to win the equivalent of the lottery to leave.

Ya gotta admit my ABBOTT reference was pretty darn funny.

As far as Fiorina's tenure at HP, she only increased their bottom line by 100+ percent and spearheaded digital printer and photo print technology advancements far past HP's AND the industries wildest expectations.

I agree, she DID hurt the company by trying to streamline it and increase profits by consolidating and outsourcing many internal key departments thus resulting in the elimination of thousands of HP jobs world wide WHICH I DESPISE!

This resulted in a public relations nightmare that really did hurt HP and their stock value. As far as her compensation, you clueless idiot, when she was offered the CEO job, it included a compensation package which itself included bonuses and separation pay. The HP board signed the deal which made HP LEGALLY liable to meet their contractual obligations to her. How many HP jobs would have been saved and how much would have HP's stock value increased if her separation pay had been one dollar?
Hint: Maybe one job and MAYBE 7 cents, maybe.

Did you know that HP, which designs, builds, sells, maintains advanced computer technology - servers, modems, routers, switches, entire Information Technology infrastructures, is now OUTSOURCING a substantial portion of their internal IT maintenance and support to EDS? WTF?! That is just fracking crazy yet it was done AFTER Carley lerft the company.
Who ya gonna blame now?

[AllosaursRus]

I don't believe you save companies by bailing them out.  I believe you delay what would happen anyway.

GM was dead man walking before the bailout, and will be long afterwards with government support.

I blame the UAW and GM's management.  It really has/had one of the most archaic management structures built in history. 

I had a friend who worked there when I lived in Indiana in their maintenance department, non-union low level management.  When I heard the management structure, I understood why they were failing.

Yet you still vote DemonCrap every time, doncha?

[Allentownjake]

Yet you still vote DemonCrap every time, doncha?

Little Secret.

Not every time.

If you guys fielded someone other than a former Wall Street Derivative Trader in PA and an awful congressman when he represented my district, I'd probably be able to pull a R in the general election.  I really don't like Joe Sestak.

[AllosaursRus]

Little Secret.

Not every time.

If you guys fielded someone other than a former Wall Street Derivative Trader in PA and an awful congressman when he represented my district, I'd probably be able to pull a R in the general election.  I really don't like Joe Sestak.

But Pelosi, Ried, and O Bummer, no prob, right?

[Allentownjake]

Ya gotta admit my ABBOTT reference was pretty darn funny.

As far as Fiorina's tenure at HP, she only increased their bottom line by 100+ percent and spearheaded digital printer and photo print technology advancements far past HP's AND the industries wildest expectations.

I agree, she DID hurt the company by trying to streamline it and increase profits by consolidating and outsourcing many internal key departments thus resulting in the elimination of thousands of HP jobs world wide WHICH I DESPISE!

This resulted in a public relations nightmare that really did hurt HP and their stock value. As far as her compensation, you clueless idiot, when she was offered the CEO job, it included a compensation package which itself included bonuses and separation pay. The HP board signed the deal which made HP LEGALLY liable to meet their contractual obligations to her. How many HP jobs would have been saved and how much would have HP's stock value increased if her separation pay had been one dollar?
Hint: Maybe one job and MAYBE 7 cents, maybe.

Did you know that HP, which designs, builds, sells, maintains advanced computer technology - servers, modems, routers, switches, entire Information Technology infrastructures, is now OUTSOURCING a substantial portion of their internal IT maintenance and support to EDS? WTF?! That is just fracking crazy yet it was done AFTER Carley lerft the company.
Who ya gonna blame now?

I think it was the Compaq merger that did her in more than anything.  She was pretty awful at Lucent too at destroying value.  At least according to my now deceased father who suffered under her reign of terror there as a director.

That AR scam that sank the company was one of her ideas, granted it was taken to new levels by her successors but she isn't exactly a picture of honesty and integrity.  The very idea she is on the ballot for high office makes me vomit a little in my mouth.

As for Bill Clinton, always been a fan of the first and only President of my state Mr. Franklin.  Lots of rumors around him, most are probably true.  However, in affairs of state, business, and loyalty towards friends seemed to be a pretty straight shooter.

Powerful men screw around on their wives.  Nothing really new here.  With Bill I'm more concerned about other things, for instance the activities of his buddies Larry Summers, Rubin, Greenspan, and Geithner when in office.

Far more serious offenses against the Republic than anything he pulled with Monica.

[Allentownjake]

But Pelosi, Ried, and O Bummer, no prob, right?

My ballot in November is

Senator From PA
Governor of PA
Congressman for the 15th district
State Representative

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama are not on my ballot.

Voting for 3 democrats on independent candidate.

[AllosaursRus]

My ballot in November is

Senator From PA
Governor of PA
Congressman for the 15th district
State Representative

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama are not on my ballot.

Voting for 3 democrats on independent candidate.

Don't believe I asked you if you if they were on your ballot.

[Allentownjake]

Don't believe I asked you if you if they were on your ballot.

Sharon Angle appears crazy, members of your own party won't touch her.  I'd prefer Harry Reid was not in a leadership role

Pelosi is running in San Francisco, I think her smile that all the lobbyist were calling her after being named speaker, speaks for itself on my opinion on her.

Obama, I may not vote for his GOP opponent, but I can't see myself casting a vote for this man again.

[AllosaursRus]

Sharon Angle appears crazy, members of your own party won't touch her.  I'd prefer Harry Reid was not in a leadership role

Pelosi is running in San Francisco, I think her smile that all the lobbyist were calling her after being named speaker, speaks for itself on my opinion on her.

Obama, I may not vote for his GOP opponent, but I can't see myself casting a vote for this man again.

What the hell does Angle have to do with anything? Repubs have no power in either body of congress! Just WTF difference does it make if she's a loon? How many loons on your side of the aisle?

I'm a little more interested in the crooks like Rangel, Jefferson, McKinney, how many of 'em are there now? Every single one of 'em have been gettin' a pass! You watch, Pelosi and Reid will make some sweetheart deal allowing them to apologize for there, ahem, "oversight" and they will go on, business as usual!

We tend to weed out the criminals in our party, even if they're proved to be innocent in the long run, the Dems, not so much! Any one of our reps pulled this kinda shit the left wing media would be on 'em like stink on shit, they'd have been asked to resign by the end of the week, but with you guys, it's more of a leg up into a regulatory position!

Oh, that's right, we must be racist, since we expect our congress critters to be honest, no matter what color their skin is!

The double standard is truly sickening! We no longer have a free press! 90% of them are left wing hacks! If we did, Rangel and his criminal buds would be poundin' rocks, not collecting donations for their legal funds!

[true_blood]

Rangel should be hanging by his nuts by now. And the communist in the White House says he should, "retire with dignity"?!!?  What the f*** is he talking about?!?! Retire with dignity?!? He's a piece of garbage.

[PatriotGame]

Powerful men screw around on their wives.  Nothing really new here.  With Bill I'm more concerned about other things, for instance the activities of his buddies Larry Summers, Rubin, Greenspan, and Geithner when in office.

Far more serious offenses against the Republic than anything he pulled with Monica.

You ****ing hypocritical two-faced moron! You just previously made a very anti-CEO specific point over chastising the current CEO of HP for ****ing around on his wife AND paymasters then now, you rationalize it with Bill Clinton?

Save the world your black-hole stupidity and suck-fire a revolver.

And you wonder why you get no respect and we beat your ass here?

[AllosaursRus]

You ****ing hypocritical two-faced moron! You just previously made a very anti-CEO specific point over chastising the current CEO of HP for ****ing around on his wife AND paymasters then now, you rationalize it with Bill Clinton?

Save the world your black-hole stupidity and suck-fire a revolver.

And you wonder why you get no respect and we beat your ass here?

Careful Pat, you're not playin' nice with the chewtoy. He's a victim since leavin' the DUmp, doncha know!