« previous next »
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump  (Read 2479 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Godot showed up

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1170
  • Reputation: +115/-90
DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« on: August 03, 2010, 10:12:24 AM »
Quote
babylonsister  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-02-10 03:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. Memo to media: Health care judge has long GOP roots
 Memo to media: Health care judge has long GOP roots

August 02, 2010 2:46 pm ET by Adam Shah


Virginia federal judge Henry Hudson has denied the federal government's request to dismiss the state of Virginia's lawsuit arguing that the health care reform law is unconstitutional. As bloggers who support and oppose the health care reform bill have noted, this does not mean that the judge will find the law unconstitutional in the end.

In covering Hudson's decision, it is important for media to note that legal experts from across the political spectrum have said that the health care law does not violate the Constitution.

Furthermore, media should note Hudson's longstanding ties to the Republican Party. As former Sen. George Allen stated when endorsing Hudson in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, in 1979, Hudson ran as a Republican and won the race for Arlington County Commonwealth's Attorney. He was subsequently appointed U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia by President Ronald Reagan; director of the U.S. Marshals Service by President George H.W. Bush; and to positions on three Virginia criminal justice boards by Allen -- when Allen was Virginia governor.

In addition, as reported by the Richmond Times Dispatch (via Nexis) former Republican Governor of Virginia Jim Gilmore appointed Hudson as a state court judge in 1998. Finally, President George W. Bush appointed Hudson to his current position as a federal judge in 2002.

more...

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008020044 
 Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 Kweli4Real (286 posts)      Mon Aug-02-10 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. Well, So Much For Republicans ...
 lamenting "activist" judges.
 Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 DCBob  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-02-10 05:44 PM
Response to Original message
3. Does not matter. This will go nowhere.
 just make make lawyers richer.
 Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 Jester Messiah  (899 posts)      Mon Aug-02-10 08:07 PM
Response to Original message
4. Can't tell you how proud I am to be a Virginian right now...
 without using the concept of negative values, that is. God damn how I hate these douchetards.
 Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 GOPNotForMe (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-02-10 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
5. Bad call. Should have been kicked for not being ripe or for lack of standing.
 Many reasons to kick a case like this. Whatever. Bush appointee - I'm SHOCKED. Score one for Coochinelli or whatever that asshole in Virginia's name is.
 Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 Raggz (119 posts)      Tue Aug-03-10 01:03 AM
Response to Original message
6. Judge greenlights health reform suit
 Source: Politico

In the first substantive legal ruling on President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, a federal judge has rejected the Justice Department’s request to dismiss a lawsuit from Virginia’s state government challenging the reform’s requirement that individuals purchase health insurance.


U.S. District Court Judge Henry. Hudson ruled that enough legal issues were in dispute in the case to allow the suit, brought by Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, to go forward. At issue is whether the insurance mandate included in the reform exceeds the federal government’s authority under the Constitution — in particular, whether Congress’s ability to regulate commerce allows the federal government to penalize those who decline to buy or obtain health insurance.


The lawsuit is also based in part on a law passed in that state in March seeking to bar the federal government from imposing any mandate to purchase health insurance.


“Unquestionably, this regulation radically changes the landscape of health insurance coverage in America,” Hudson wrote in a 32-page decision filed Monday morning. “Never before has the Commerce Clause … been extended this far.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40550.html


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This will test the commerce clause and perhaps break it...
 Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 Gman  (1000+ posts)        Tue Aug-03-10 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. If the commerce clause goes 
 the dominoes will fall starting with civil rights.




Right off, and predictably--I mean it's EXACTLY what I expected to see--they attack the judge personally. Never mind that loathesome CLINTON appointee who ignored all precedent with regard to the AZ statute.


I think Gman's response is the best here. I just have to wonder what it's like in that head of his--what mental processes allow him to arrive at this insane equation? If the federal government can't use the commerce clause of the Constitution to regulate every single aspect of our lives and command us to engage in commerce, then "civil rights" are in danger? If he and the rest of us aren't penalized for not buying a product, and are not compelled to pay a fee for the privilege of simply existing, then next he'll be hauled off to the hoosegow for posting what passes for thoughts in that decaying sponge he calls a brain? Somehow I doubt he's concerned about his right to own a firearm.



Logged

Offline Wineslob

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14480
  • Reputation: +816/-193
  • Sucking the life out of Liberty
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2010, 10:24:40 AM »
Just wait till this trash is found to be unconstitutional................assploding will commence!
Logged
“The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced, if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”

        -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC (106-43 BC)

The unobtainable is unknown at Zombo.com



"Practice random violence and senseless acts of brutality"

If you want a gender neutral bathroom, go pee in the forest.

Offline dandi

  • Live long, and piss off liberals.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3341
  • Reputation: +553/-28
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 10:46:14 AM »
Quote
In covering Hudson's decision, it is important for media to note that legal experts from across the political spectrum have said that the health care law does not violate the Constitution.

Really?  Who?
Logged
I don't want...anybody else
When I think about me I touch myself

Offline AprilRazz

  • I love my...
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2705
  • Reputation: +202/-16
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2010, 10:54:40 AM »
Oh they hate the fine Commonwealth of Virginia today. With this decision and the fact that we have allowed our police to check the immigration status of those that they arrest. Our new administration has turned VA around in less time that it took for obama to screw things up.
We actually have a budget surplus right now.
Logged
Proud Navy Wife and Veteran

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of." Suzanna Hupp


racist – A statement of surrender during an argument. When two people or disputants are engaged in an acrimonious debate, the side that first says “Racist!” has conceded defeat. Synonymous with saying “Resign” during a chess game, or “Uncle” during a schoolyard fight. Ori

Offline thundley4

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 40571
  • Reputation: +2224/-127
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2010, 10:59:43 AM »
The DUmmies are truly psychotic.  On the one hand they spend so much time and energy complaining about the Insurance Reform law that is Obamacare, but they hate any conservative challenge to the law. WTF?   :mental:
Logged

Offline Ballygrl

  • Lipstick Renegade
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14934
  • Reputation: +983/-120
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2010, 11:42:04 AM »
Quote
babylonsister  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-02-10 03:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. Memo to media: Health care Immigration judge has long Dem roots
 Memo to media: Health care Immigration judge has long Dem roots

Fixed!
Logged
Quote
"The nation that couldn’t be conquered by foreign enemies has been conquered by its elected officials" odawg Free Republic in reference to the GOP Elites who are no difference than the Democrats

Offline Karin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17752
  • Reputation: +1895/-81
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2010, 12:06:21 PM »
Exactly, Thundley.  They've been bitching and moaning about the big windfall the evil Insurance corporations have received, blah blah blah.  I would have thought they'd be cheering. 

AprilRazz, I'm a big fan of Virginia these days.  I  :heart: Virginia.  I don't  :heart: NY. 
Logged

Offline Godot showed up

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1170
  • Reputation: +115/-90
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2010, 12:13:41 PM »
Logged

Offline Happy Fun Ball

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2942
  • Reputation: +1038/-11
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2010, 12:31:14 PM »
Logged

Offline dandi

  • Live long, and piss off liberals.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3341
  • Reputation: +553/-28
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2010, 12:32:10 PM »
Logged
I don't want...anybody else
When I think about me I touch myself

Offline TheSarge

  • Platoon Sergeant
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9557
  • Reputation: +411/-252
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2010, 12:54:14 PM »
Oh...so NOW it matters who appointed the judge?
 

:whatever:

Logged
Liberalism Is The Philosophy Of The Stupid

The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey and smells like a donkey - it's Cold Warrior.  - PoliCon



Palin has run a state, a town and a commercial fishing operation. Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth. - Mark Steyn

Offline Karin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17752
  • Reputation: +1895/-81
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2010, 01:38:46 PM »
hmmm.  The bonfire did not spread beyond the material we have here. 
Logged

Offline AllosaursRus

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11672
  • Reputation: +424/-293
  • Skip Tracing by Contract Only!
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2010, 03:36:06 PM »
A lib law professor chimed in and compared it to Social Security and Medicare. If the gubmint can make us pay for them, then makin' us buy private insurance is the same!

Not!!!!!!!!!111 I'm bettin' Constitutional law is not his strong point!

I'm figurin' this is how they get to grandfather the single payer BS into it!
Logged
I'm the guy your mother warned you about!
 

Offline Godot showed up

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1170
  • Reputation: +115/-90
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2010, 03:47:13 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on August 03, 2010, 03:36:06 PM
A lib law professor chimed in and compared it to Social Security and Medicare. If the gubmint can make us pay for them, then makin' us buy private insurance is the same!

Not!!!!!!!!!111 I'm bettin' Constitutional law is not his strong point!

I'm figurin' this is how they get to grandfather the single payer BS into it!

Nor is substantive evaluation his strong suit.


How much social security and medicare tax you pay is pegged to your income. The penalty for not buying insurance per the mandate is not. It's a set fee--exactly like a parking ticket, speeding ticket, or any other fine for any other violation you care to mention, and exactly not like any tax you care to mention. In all ways that matter, it is a fine/penalty, not a tax.

« Last Edit: August 03, 2010, 03:54:22 PM by Godot showed up »
Logged

Offline AllosaursRus

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11672
  • Reputation: +424/-293
  • Skip Tracing by Contract Only!
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM »
Quote from: Godot showed up on August 03, 2010, 03:47:13 PM
Nor is substantive evlauation his strong suit.


How much social security and medicare tax you pay is pegged to your income. The penalty for not buying insurance per the mandate is not. It's a set fee--exactly like a parking ticket, speeding ticket, or any other fine for any other violation you care to mention, and exactly not like any tax you care to mention. In all ways that matter, it is a fine/penalty, not a tax.



I'm sure he'll just fall back on IRS penalties in order to 'splain it! I bet he'd like to fine the judge in order to penalize him for goin' against Lord "BuanaWannaDoYa"!
Logged
I'm the guy your mother warned you about!
 

Offline Godot showed up

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1170
  • Reputation: +115/-90
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2010, 04:07:51 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on August 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
I'm sure he'll just fall back on IRS penalties in order to 'splain it! I bet he'd like to fine the judge in order to penalize him for goin' against Lord "BuanaWannaDoYa"!

That won't work; IRS penalties are still penalties for illegality, not taxes. He'd be admitting that they are exactly what they read on the statutory package--penalties. For not engaging in commerce.
Logged

Offline BattleHymn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8758
  • Reputation: +981/-63
  • Not right, but not left, either.
Re: DUmors upset that "healthcare" road to fascism hits first small speedbump
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2010, 05:03:36 PM »
I can't wait to see what the DUmp monkeys will have to say about MO if Prop C passes tonight!   :popcorn:
Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
« previous next »