did you ever think you'd have to submit a resume to

[Freeper]

onethatcares  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri Jul-30-10 06:02 PM
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did you ever think you'd have to submit a resume to
   
clean ****ing parking lots? Did you think a drug test would be mandatory?

I'm looking at craigslist part time jobs and wondering why the hell anyone would want to submit themselves to all of this for a four hour a day, three day a week gig. Oh, I forgot, it pays $8.00/1099.

Un****ingbelievable.

If you peruse those adds you'll find companies that want to pay a whopping $12.50 an hour for a skilled tradesman because the economy is bad. Needless to say, the ads always say "wanted hard worker, with truck, tools, 59 years of knowlege, sales ability, must be able to pick up material before starting work, no drugs, no alcohol, customers must be totally satisfied before you get paid. Laptop and digital camera a must"

Meanwhile our illustrious senate is worried about eating marijuana brownies. Jesus Wept. :wtf:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8850195

Yep Jesus wept alright I seem to recall he said blessed are the pot smokers. 

Hey DUmmy here is a secret (that normal thinking folks already know) companies want people who will do the job they ask of them. They don't want someone strung out on pot causing an accident.
Also maybe if you start off cleaning the "****ing parking lots" in a few years you can work your way up to something.

Recursion  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jul-31-10 03:39 PM
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20. For cleaning a parking lot?
   
What possible help is it to the company to know your work history and drug habits if they just want you to clean a parking lot?

Oh I dunno maybe some crazy idea like they want to know if you will bother to show up to clean that parking lot and not be drunk or stoned while doing so. I know that's just crazy talk.

Mopar151  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jul-31-10 06:05 PM
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24. The drug test is always an undue burden
   
False positives, kicks back if you drink too much water. Tests for indirect "metabolites", not actual drug impairment. Costs employer $100 to have administer (5-panel). You will be tested before treatment if you are injured on the job.

You know what dummy I found simply not partaking of the herb has suited me well. No matter how much water I drink I have yet to come up hot. I sort of suspect the fact that I don't do drugs may have something to do with it.

onethatcares  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri Jul-30-10 07:32 PM
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11. that was my exageration, the 8.00 an hour was for the parking lot
   
cleaners. The 1099 was for the contractors that want to work for 12.50/hr, with their own licence, own workers comp or exemption, with no gas allowance.

I did fluff the OP. My sentiments have not been fluffed though.

Seriously, go to craigslist and look at the skilled trade section, or even general labor. The wages people want to pay are totally out of line.

And people who really want something better will take those jobs until they can either find something better or get promoted. It's called a work ethic.

I swear dummies gripe about everything us adults deal with.

[Mike220]

I submitted my resume for my current job at the animal shelter. 4 days/ 20 hours a week at $7.50 an hour. I was happy to. Know why DUmbasses? Because I got a job, an income and some self respect back in my life because of it.

[Texacon]

Why oh why do they never realize THEY are the cause of drug tests?  They are the ones who will file suit at the drop of a hat.  Here DUmmies ... look at this and see yourselves;

1.)  A guy driving a work truck runs a red light and hits you.  It is determined he was high which caused the accident.  Outcome?  You sue.

2.)  YOU are working a job and using the 'herb'.  YOU run a red light and hit someone.  It is determined you were high and caused the accident.  Outcome?  You sue.  (the company should have tested/known/stopped you/provided you help/etc ...)

Jeeze what idiots.

KC

[NHSparky]

I'm looking at craigslist part time jobs

Pretty much says it all right there, doesn't it?

[Freeper]

Pretty much says it all right there, doesn't it?

I dunno I found my last 2 gigs on craigslist and yes they both are legitimate jobs. 

[NHSparky]

I dunno I found my last 2 gigs on craigslist and yes they both are legitimate jobs. 

A serious professional job with a corresponding wage and benefits is far less likely to rely on Craigslist than their own website, recruiters, etc., to recruit potential employees.  Just sayin.

[thundley4]

I dunno I found my last 2 gigs on craigslist and yes they both are legitimate jobs. 

Yes, but the DUmmies are applying for the ones that say:

"Earn$100,000/mo  , from home, working in your spare time".

[Freeper]

Yes, but the DUmmies are applying for the ones that say:

"Earn$100,000/mo  , from home, working in your spare time".

If you go to career builder now, that's 90% of the jobs listed.

[NHSparky]

If you go to career builder now, that's 90% of the jobs listed.

Isn't it amazing how well networking can work, though?  It's how I got my current job--I knew people, who knew people, who were looking for someone, next thing you know...

[Freeper]

Isn't it amazing how well networking can work, though?  It's how I got my current job--I knew people, who knew people, who were looking for someone, next thing you know...

I got my last job off of craigslist then the one I just got, I got because one of the corporate guys I know knows the supervisor at the new place so I ended up with a better paying job.

[PatriotGame]

onethatcares  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri Jul-30-10 06:02 PM
Original message
did you ever think you'd have to submit a resume to
   
clean ****ing parking lots? Did you think a drug test would be mandatory?

I'm looking at craigslist part time jobs and wondering why the hell anyone would want to submit themselves to all of this for a four hour a day, three day a week gig. Oh, I forgot, it pays $8.00/1099.

January 21, 2009 - the Magic Negro ascended to the highest throne in the land, the sky's cleared, all of the suffrage in the world evaporated, and all people's standards of living were 'equalized'.
Erm...no? How can that be?

Clue moran...even the most talentless, no-skill-required, no-experience-required, no-education-required, no-thought-process-required drone jobs like licking clean parking lots and shopping mall toilets, require potential employees be properly vetted. That includes McDonald's. Employers must ensure a burnt-out pot head meth addict employee doesn't urinate in a customer's bowl of Wendy's chillie because they mistook it for a urinal.

[Chris_]

Wow... you mean to tell me companies have the AUDACITY to drug test?  Oh the horror.

[NHSparky]

Wow... you mean to tell me companies have the AUDACITY to drug test?  Oh the horror.

AND do breathalyzers.  On a random basis, with no notice, for shits and giggles.  I just had an FFD (fitness for duty) no-notice test a month or so ago.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Reading between the lines, which is always necessary to fully decrypt DUmmie transmissions and find the real source of the poster's issue, it appears onethatcares can't put together a competitive resume for janitor/parking lot attendant, pass a drug test, or both.

[Celtic Rose]

A serious professional job with a corresponding wage and benefits is far less likely to rely on Craigslist than their own website, recruiters, etc., to recruit potential employees.  Just sayin.

My company is a law firm, and they advertise for jobs on Craigslist.  In fact, we had an ad up just last month that was never listed on our internal website.  That may be saying more about our HR department than Craigslist, but there you go. You will probably find more jobs for high tech companies on their websites, and big companies probably list them on their websites, but otherwise, Craigslist isn't so bad.

If you go on there, quite a few administrative type positions are advertised. 

[jukin]

Think of the money we would save if only drug testing was mandatory for welfare.

[NHSparky]

My company is a law firm, and they advertise for jobs on Craigslist.  In fact, we had an ad up just last month that was never listed on our internal website.  That may be saying more about our HR department than Craigslist, but there you go. You will probably find more jobs for high tech companies on their websites, and big companies probably list them on their websites, but otherwise, Craigslist isn't so bad.

If you go on there, quite a few administrative type positions are advertised. 

Frankly, unless you're willing to separate a LOT of chaff to get to the wheat, it's just my experience that you're not going to get, on average, as high a quality candidate through Craigslist as you would through more conventional methods of advertisement.

I've also noticed that most of those companies DO tend to lowball compensation.  Not all, mind you, but I'd be interested to do a little part-time work on weekends and such just to see how well it pays in my field.

[Freeper]

Think of the money we would save if only drug testing was mandatory for welfare.

That has been proposed several times and every time it does the dummies go nuts.
I still say if I have to pee in a cup to earn a paycheck they can do the same to get a free check.
I also think to get unemployment checks they should test as well, since in most states you have to be able to work to receive it. I couldn't get it when I had hernia surgery because I was not able to work until I recovered and the doctor was very strict about healing up before I could lift anything.

 

[vesta111]

That has been proposed several times and every time it does the dummies go nuts.
I still say if I have to pee in a cup to earn a paycheck they can do the same to get a free check.
I also think to get unemployment checks they should test as well, since in most states you have to be able to work to receive it. I couldn't get it when I had hernia surgery because I was not able to work until I recovered and the doctor was very strict about healing up before I could lift anything.

 

One has to have a drug test to get signed on to a temp agency.    BUT oh the ways that can be by passed.

What I have found out about some of these temp agency's is most interesting.

These agency's are hungry for workers, they do a piss test in house with results within minutes.  The tests I am told are much like the old diabetes tests, pee in a cup dip in a colored strip and wait for the reading to come out in 2 minutes
As long as the client is reasonably clean, and not spaced out, they get a pass.

To expect those to get government help be it unemployment or wellfair due to a drug test is to bring out the people that for a few bucks that will alter results.

Then I was in a Nationally known health store and there were 3 teens talking to the sales clerk.  From what I got from the conversation these kids were to take a piss test 3 days from now and wanted to be CLEAN.

The cost to buy some herbs and some kind of orange drink came to $150.00 each.

Anyone out there had to take a piss test that your life style depended on ??  The night mare of a false positive if awful. 

[NHSparky]

Anyone out there had to take a piss test that your life style depended on ??  The night mare of a false positive if awful. 

Yo--for almost 30 years now I've been taking them.

And can you HONESTLY show me a "false positive"?  Seriously?  If you knew SHIT about how, for example, the military urinalysis system worked, you'd be incredibly silent on the concept of false positives.

Oh, and all that "Golden Seal", etc?  Doesn't work--especially on pot, which is fat soluble.

[Freeper]

One has to have a drug test to get signed on to a temp agency.    BUT oh the ways that can be by passed.

What I have found out about some of these temp agency's is most interesting.

These agency's are hungry for workers, they do a piss test in house with results within minutes.  The tests I am told are much like the old diabetes tests, pee in a cup dip in a colored strip and wait for the reading to come out in 2 minutes
As long as the client is reasonably clean, and not spaced out, they get a pass.

To expect those to get government help be it unemployment or wellfair due to a drug test is to bring out the people that for a few bucks that will alter results.

Then I was in a Nationally known health store and there were 3 teens talking to the sales clerk.  From what I got from the conversation these kids were to take a piss test 3 days from now and wanted to be CLEAN.

The cost to buy some herbs and some kind of orange drink came to $150.00 each.

Anyone out there had to take a piss test that your life style depended on ??  The night mare of a false positive if awful. 

Like I said before not partaking of the herb has provided me a 100% success rate.
And of course the pee test can be cheated so maybe we need to do what my last employer did and take hair samples for any govt assistance.   The whole point is if you live off of the govt then you should have to follow the same rules that us working stiffs have too.

[Freeper]

Yo--for almost 30 years now I've been taking them.

And can you HONESTLY show me a "false positive"?  Seriously?  If you knew SHIT about how, for example, the military urinalysis system worked, you'd be incredibly silent on the concept of false positives.

Oh, and all that "Golden Seal", etc?  Doesn't work--especially on pot, which is fat soluble.

I have heard of certain people testing for golden seal not sure if it is urban legend or not though. 

[Texacon]

Hey, you don't wanna take piss tests, hair tests, any kind of tests??  Start your own freaking business.  It isn't that hard.  A lawnmower, a hooptie pickup truck, a gas can, a weedeater (If you can't afford the weedeater get what I used as a kid ... those clipper things).

Get you some lawn mowing jobs and then upgrade your equipment.  NOW you are an evil corporate bastard because you skimmed off some of your profits for your company BUT you will now be able to take on bigger jobs.

Get some more lawn mowing jobs, buy some more equipment (damn, more of that spending money on yourself) and, get this - this is the important part - HIRE some HELP!! 

Now you get paid when you work and when your help works.  Oooops.  One of them was smoking pot on the job and ran over one of your clients cats ... you're being sued!

After you recover from the law suit you start from square one again and work your way back to hiring help NOW you require a piss test from THEM!  LOL  Isn't this fun?!

KC

[vesta111]

Yo--for almost 30 years now I've been taking them.

And can you HONESTLY show me a "false positive"?  Seriously?  If you knew SHIT about how, for example, the military urinalysis system worked, you'd be incredibly silent on the concept of false positives.

Oh, and all that "Golden Seal", etc?  Doesn't work--especially on pot, which is fat soluble.

Cool out Sparky, when the military started doing the piss test in the early 80's there were a few problems here.


I do know of one Ship stationed in Norfork that discharged 3 sailors for a positive reading.

These kids did not drink coffee or tea, no booze, smoke cigarettes or even eat chocolate, they were MORMON.

I do not know how things work today in the military, but I do know that a false positive back then caused the family's of Mormon family's to storm the powers that be.

Now about military testing of blood.  In Portsmouth VA. I was waiting in a room that had a long glass window behind that was the lab that worked on blood samples.

As I waited for a tech to take my blood, I watched the people behind the glass test and do whatever to blood samples.

I saw with my very own eyes a male pick up a vile of blood and drop it on the floor. the tubes were glass at that time and broke.  The Tech got all out of shape and stormed out of the room opening the door and I heard him say that the sample was inclusive and needed to be taken again.

Don't mess with me about Military medicine Sparky, I was born in a Navy Hospital and at one time or another spent 40 years in Navy, Airforce, and Army hospitals .   

Sparky I know how Com suer works, find a pharmacists Mate with 2 weeks to go for separations and work out a deal.

Hubby traded $50.00 bucks to a shipyard worker to get the diving alarm off a boat due to go into moth balls.---- The ships clock off the pig boat he was qualified on went to some Captain willing to pay $1,500 for it.

You get a Captain whose son flunks a piss test--- really the test will come back inconclusive and no one bothers to retest him.

I was born into a Navy family, raised in a Navy family and raised 4 kids in in a Navy family, now just how many years did you spend in the Navy.? 

I have seen 40 years of changes in the military, and you experienced 6-8 years.

When I was a kid Navy housing was segregated, the Philippine sailors did the laundry and shined the officers shoes.

I watched as Rickover became against all odds the father of the nuclear Sub Navy.

Sparky you were years away from birth when I was living the life of a dependent and even young myself absorbing the life.

So what the ****, years before you were born I was a little girl waiting for an ASR to come in and have my Daddy in a decompression tank.

So you can stick a pickle up your ass and eat liver and onions.

[NHSparky]

Vesta...dearest...go **** yourself, toots.

You don't know SHIT.  You ramble, you blather, you babble.  Most people's eyes glaze over when they see your name at the head of a post, because nobody is willing to dig through the five metric ****tons of dogshit to find the one microgram of wisdom you MIGHT have buried in there somewhere.

Show me ONE ****ING PERSON--ANYWHERE IN THE MILITARY SINCE 1981--WHO CAN PROVE, YES, PROVE THEY GOT FALSE POPPED.  I was on AD in 1984, and about the only thing that MIGHT set off a urinalysis is poppy seeds.  That's IT.

Marijuana?  What they're testing for can only be detected if it is SMOKED BY THE PERSON.  None of that "contact high" bullshit, none of that, "I ate a brownie and I didn't know what was in it" bullshit.  THC is fat-soluble, meaning it stays in the system for 30-45 days.

Cocaine?  Opiates?  LSD?  Meth?  In the urine for up to 96 hours.

When a urinalysis is given, not all samples are tested.  Only about 1-2 per dozen.  If a sample comes above a given threshold for a substance, it's tested again.  If not, it's tossed.  If it's tested again (at a higher threshold) and doesn't come hot, it's tossed.  If it does, it's given a THIRD test, with a still HIGHER threshold.  ONLY if that third test comes up positive does that constitute a positive test.  THREE tests, and ALL must be positive with ever-increasing levels of what constitutes a positive test.

Want to know how I know all this?  It's because my Chief was the Command Urinalysis Coordinator on my first boat.  I read through his materials.  I know what the standards are. 

At the time (1988), any CPO or Officer who pissed hot was given the boot--admin separation, no second chances.  By the time I left sea duty in 1996, anyone on active duty who pissed hot was booted.  When I was on recruiting duty, it was done as part of the DEP-in process, and if they pissed hot, they were dropped, had to wait at least 30 days to reprocess, and almost never kept their original program.

And don't give me any of your bullshit about how khakis were never busted.  I saw it--an officer in San Diego for speed.  I saw a whole SHITLOAD of officers and chiefs shitcanned for DUI or other alcohol related offenses.  My Admiral when I was on recruiting duty was forced to retire due to sexual misconduct, so no, dearie, officers CAN stick their dicks in the fan.  The CO of USS Chicago just got relieved for being drunk.  Not DUI.  Not drugs, just getting shitty with a bunch of middies at Cornell.

So, dear Vesta--I don't give a rat **** WHAT you "THINK" you know.  What you THINK you know ain't one-tenth of what you DO know.  Like the boys coming back off 'Pac would said, "I can't wait to **** the wife's brains out tonight!!!"

In your case, I'd say mission accomplished.  Now go eat a bag of fat dicks.  Pretty please.