WTF Moment of the Day, Obama's Sec. Labor Illegals Entitled to Fair Wages

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[thundley4]

Maybe their plan is give them fair wages to get them off welfare.

[IassaFTots]

Although I do believe this is classified as a WTF moment, you may be jumping the gun at giving it the title of WTF Moment of the Week.  I mean, this is only Monday.  No telling what will happen later on this week.

[Chris_]

Although I do believe this is classified as a WTF moment, you may be jumping the gun at giving it the title of WTF Moment of the Week.  I mean, this is only Monday.  No telling what will happen later on this week.

Better??

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[IassaFTots]

Better??

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Perfection.   


So far.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

Undocumented workers are not all necessarily illegal immigrants.  Actually one of the ways of suppressing immigration would be to enforce FLSA and the minimum wage against employers, if the employer had to pay full fare all employees, it would disincentivize hiring illegals. 

[bkg]

Undocumented workers are not all necessarily illegal immigrants.  Actually one of the ways of suppressing immigration would be to enforce FLSA and the minimum wage against employers, if the employer had to pay full fare all employees, it would disincentivize hiring illegals. 

elaborate on highlighted.

minimum wages are BS, IMHO.

[rich_t]

elaborate on highlighted.

minimum wages are BS, IMHO.

Here we go again............

[NHSparky]

elaborate on highlighted.

minimum wages are BS, IMHO.

One can be here legally but not have a SS or TIN, and work.

BS in what regard--that it hurts those most intended to help?   Agreed there, but if there were no mandated minimum wage, there would still be a market floor.

[bkg]

One can be here legally but not have a SS or TIN, and work.

Can you elaborate on that please? When would a person be here legally w/o any paperwork? HONEST question.

BS in what regard--that it hurts those most intended to help?   Agreed there, but if there were no mandated minimum wage, there would still be a market floor.

BS in that it takes away the ability for two people to join into a mutually beneficial PRIVATE agreement. Not to mention there is some decent documentation that show minimum wages actually decrease pay and increase unemployment. I concur - the market floor would still be there, but it would be determined by exactly that - the market.

[DumbAss Tanker]

People work without documents for a variety of reasons, mainly they are trying to avoid scrutiny, pay withholding, or they are in the aftermath of a lifewreck of some sort.  Some are criminals, some are tax scammers, some are just at the bottom of life's barrel.

The economics of a minimum wage can be argued both ways, the whole freedom of contract argument is not exactly bulletproof because the labor market for day laborers or other lowest-level, low skill workers is not a true free market situation since all the bargaining power is in the hands of the employers, it's more of a 'take-it-or-leave-it, I can probably hire an undocumented guy even cheaper' deal.

There is a minimum wage law and an FLSA and that isn't going to be changing in the foreseeable future, so what anyone thinks the rules ought to be theoretically isn't really germane to the SecLabor's statement or the current real world employment/illegal-immigrant dynamic.       

[bkg]

People work without documents for a variety of reasons, mainly they are trying to avoid scrutiny, pay withholding, or they are in the aftermath of a lifewreck of some sort.  Some are criminals, some are tax scammers, some are just at the bottom of life's barrel.

I see. But - have to ask - wouldn't all of these people have some form of "documentation" as a person, even if not using it for the job?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Not necessarily, and even if they do personally have identity documents, they are still undocumented workers if the employer doesn't get and retain that identity information from them.  Any "Off the books" work is undocumented labor, and perforce those doing the work are undocumented workers.

[bkg]

Not necessarily, and even if they do personally have identity documents, they are still undocumented workers if the employer doesn't get and retain that identity information from them.  Any "Off the books" work is undocumented labor, and perforce those doing the work are undocumented workers.

Got it - thanks.

"Undocumented Workers" = "no documentation of the work agreement/contract"

VS.

"Undocumented Workers" = "worker who has no personally identifiable information"

I think the latter is the more commonly used understanding, which is where I was getting confuse.d

[NHSparky]

30 percent of Los Angeles County workers are paid in cash--and not all of them are illegals, but few if any of them are paying taxes, workman's comp, etc.