Good-bye USA...

[bkg]

Sorry, but I've little use for the "Chicken Little" reactions from either side of the political spectrum.

COULD some of these decisions or proposals have far-reaching consequences?  In extreme cases, yes.  In most situations, minimal to non-existent. 

The whole 100-percenter mentality pisses me off.

Again, feel free to put me on ignore. Your choice to insult rather than talk about the issues is diverting the conversation.

Am I black and white? Yes. Am I harsh? Yes. Does "shades of gray" work? Not in my mind - not anymore. Do we need a change? Yes. Do I see the temp being turned up on the water? Yes. Do I get tired of the "eh, don't worry, it's no big deal" response from people? Yes.

At some point, the small steps that take away our freedoms take us a long way down the path. And we can either take a look at the past and see the direction we are heading, draw a conclusion on that and react... or take each of the individual steps, evaluate them individually in a vaccuum and say "that isn't a big deal"??? I think the latter has not served us well and helped the pace increase, rather than decrease.

So again, you're welcome to engage or ignore me. It's up to you. But I do please ask that if you choose to not engage in the topic, that you be the bigger man and drop the insults...

[bkg]

Here it comes...

Supremecy clause... if they win, the feds can claim this for anything...

linky here

Feds sue to block Arizona illegal immigrant law


The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix argues that Arizona's law requiring state and local police to question and possibly arrest illegal immigrants during the enforcement of other laws such as traffic violations usurps federal authority.

"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests."

The government is seeking an injunction to delay the July 29 implementation of the law until the case is resolved. It ultimately wants the law declared invalid.

The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, but Arizona is the first state to make it a state crime and add its own punishment and enforcement tactics.

[thundley4]

I've heard more than one constitutional scholars on TV argue that the supremacy clause is a moot argument.  The AZ law does not supersede the federal law, it just gives the local police authority to enforce the federal laws.

[Chris_]

I've heard more than one constitutional scholars on TV argue that the supremacy clause is a moot argument.  The AZ law does not supersede the federal law, it just gives the local police authority to enforce the federal laws.

AKA

Complete waste of taxpayer's money.

[bkg]

I've heard more than one constitutional scholars on TV argue that the supremacy clause is a moot argument.  The AZ law does not supersede the federal law, it just gives the local police authority to enforce the federal laws.

I've heard similar. The supremecy clause, however, in and of itself, when misapplied, allows the Feds to say FU to the states, overrighting the 10th. Why this is important is because if the Feds win this case, it will ensure that the states cannot even maintain a rule of law unless allowed to do so by the Feds. The cases that will build on top of this will use it as a precedent to erode what is left of states rights, and further grow the fed.

Hence my (corrected) statement - Good-bye Republic. If this stands, we will lose the border, lose the ability to enforce laws, and lose the autonomy that the founders strived hard to maintain for the states.

Sure - people will say that I'm crying the sky is falling. But those same people need to take a step back and see what this COULD do if it is decided for the Feds... The additional power it would remove from the states... and that power would not be used for good by the feds... never is.

Even if AZ wins, but the ruling makes note of the supremecy clause, ALL that the feds have to do is nix all immigration laws and AZ will, once again, be fawked..

[thundley4]

There is a clear case of violation of the supremacy clause going on in respect to immigration law. In fact there are quite a few of them.  Every city that has designated itself as a "sanctuary city" is violating federal law, IMO.

[LC EFA]

I've heard more than one constitutional scholars on TV argue that the supremacy clause is a moot argument.  The AZ law does not supersede the federal law, it just gives the local police authority to enforce the federal laws.

Correct me if I'm wrong here - but doesn't state law supersede federal law in all circumstances not directly specified in the US Constitution as per the 10th amendment.

[bkg]

Correct me if I'm wrong here - but doesn't state law supersede federal law in all circumstances not directly specified in the US Constitution as per the 10th amendment.

According to COTUS, yes. According to SCOTUS, no.

[vesta111]

I have started to believe that Obama is not the bumbling idiot we think he is,
this is so bazaar as to be a plot in a end of the world movie.

There has to be a master plan to all these incomprehensible non actions of his.

Look at the laws that are changing ----Drugs that will become legal, changes in the gun laws that encourage people to open or closed carry.---cutting off unemployment to millions of people-----of all racists and nationality's.

Now the oil spill that will if it continues is wrecking havoc on the southern part of the country.

The end result of all this will be what and how can this be a benefit to Obama.?

They are just waiting to plant quite a few rebel raiser to stir up the people.  Has to be people who we as American trust and respect.

Now comes the Riots, easy to see how this can happen, the idea of not allowing electric or gas service to illegals is sure to cause a storm of protest, no refrigeration, no lights, no cooking, water or sewer service---  Insane if you ask me but this is seriously being considered in some States.

What happens next, Obama will have no choice but to declare martial law and put the state under Federal rule. No problem as all the newly armed will be out there defending their property as they did in the Watts riots.  

State by State will have to be placed under Federal rule, curfews implemented,
censorship of the TV news, the internet and complete fear of what the children may say in school that leads to BIG problems for the family.

Obama will make sure that the people are constantly divided against themselves,
it will become impossible for any kind of united front to gain any strength.

Some raciest groups will be given preferential treatment, the Panthers and the Muslim elements.  The white raciest will be jailed and punished for holding the same mind think as the preferred ones.

Can he do all this in the next 2-6 years, just look at what he has done so far in 2 years.

No one in the government be it TSC or the military do anything for no reason.

[formerlurker]

Correct me if I'm wrong here - but doesn't state law supersede federal law in all circumstances not directly specified in the US Constitution as per the 10th amendment.

No.   State law cannot supersede federal law if that state law takes away from federal law in anyway. 

That's law 101. 

[formerlurker]

Here it comes...

Supremecy clause... if they win, the feds can claim this for anything...

linky here

A very weak argument from the lofty Obama White House.    Pathetic actually.

[rich_t]

No.   State law cannot supersede federal law if that state law takes away from federal law in anyway.  

That's law 101.  


As taught by today's liberal law professors.

 

[formerlurker]

This is an extremely interesting case to follow.  The question surrounding the order of appearance of the chicken or the egg is going to SCOTUS.    Stay tuned kids.  

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34073588/Decision-in-Gill-v-OPM

[formerlurker]

No.   State law cannot supersede federal law if that state law takes away from federal law in anyway.  

That's law 101.  


As taught by today's liberal law professors.

 

I honestly don't even want to take the time to respond to that.  It is hardly new law. 

[debk]

I have started to believe that Obama is not the bumbling idiot we think he is,
this is so bazaar as to be a plot in a end of the world movie.

There has to be a master plan to all these incomprehensible non actions of his.

Look at the laws that are changing ----Drugs that will become legal, changes in the gun laws that encourage people to open or closed carry.---cutting off unemployment to millions of people-----of all racists and nationality's.

Now the oil spill that will if it continues is wrecking havoc on the southern part of the country.

The end result of all this will be what and how can this be a benefit to Obama.?

They are just waiting to plant quite a few rebel raiser to stir up the people.  Has to be people who we as American trust and respect.

Now comes the Riots, easy to see how this can happen, the idea of not allowing electric or gas service to illegals is sure to cause a storm of protest, no refrigeration, no lights, no cooking, water or sewer service---  Insane if you ask me but this is seriously being considered in some States.

What happens next, Obama will have no choice but to declare martial law and put the state under Federal rule. No problem as all the newly armed will be out there defending their property as they did in the Watts riots.  

State by State will have to be placed under Federal rule, curfews implemented,
censorship of the TV news, the internet and complete fear of what the children may say in school that leads to BIG problems for the family.

Obama will make sure that the people are constantly divided against themselves,
it will become impossible for any kind of united front to gain any strength.

Some raciest groups will be given preferential treatment, the Panthers and the Muslim elements.  The white raciest will be jailed and punished for holding the same mind think as the preferred ones.

Can he do all this in the next 2-6 years, just look at what he has done so far in 2 years.

No one in the government be it TSC or the military do anything for no reason.

Were you sitting on my back porch a couple of weeks ago listening to a similar conversation? 

[rich_t]

I honestly don't even want to take the time to respond to that.  It is hardly new law. 

Gee...  I'm crushed.  I really am.

Seems you don't know what the  was for.

[TheSarge]

Good-bye 10th.
Good-bye State governments
Good-bye freedom.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/17/clinton_obama_administration_to_sue_arizona_over_immigration_law.html

If I had kids, I'd be able to look froward to saying "Back in my day, we used to have a Constitution... to my grandkids..."...

[TheSarge]

Are you claiming it doesn't?

No it doesn't.

Pull your dress down Sally and quit with the pollyanna BS.  On this topic you're in the same "one trick pony" crowd and your hysterical whining is tiresome.

[TheSarge]

The irony of this statement, given the threads you have started (i.e. nothing exactly positive) make me giggle like a school girl.

Well you whine like one so it only makes sense...

[TheSarge]

interesting...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/18/arizona-attorney-general-says-wont-defend-states-immigration-law/

Old news.  Most of us here already knew the Democrat AG wasn't going to do this.  He'd had secret meetings with Holders gang prior to the lawsuit and without Gov. Brewers consent.

Hence the legal fund set up to help her fight the lawsuit.

[rich_t]

No it doesn't.

Pull your dress down Sally and quit with the pollyanna BS.  On this topic you're in the same "one trick pony" crowd and your hysterical whining is tiresome.

I beg to differ.  You have your opinion; I have mine.

Based on their previous actions, I happen to think that leadership in both major political parties suck, it is merely a matter of degree.

That is not to imply that all of the members of either party suck.  Some do, some don't.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I beg to differ.  You have your opinion I have mine.

Based on their previous actions, I happen to think that leadership in both major political parties suck, it is merely a matter of degree.

That is not to imply that all of the members of either party suck.  Some do, some don't.

I think we need to keep the GOP leadership in their offices.

Then lock the door.

Then torch the building.

Then bulldoze it.

Then sow the ground with salt.



But that's probably just me.

[rich_t]

I think we need to keep the GOP leadership in their offices.

Then lock the door.

Then torch the building.

Then bulldoze it.

Then sow the ground with salt.



But that's probably just me.

I second the motion.

That goes double for the DEM leasdership.

[TheSarge]

I beg to differ.  You have your opinion; I have mine.

Based on their previous actions, I happen to think that leadership in both major political parties suck, it is merely a matter of degree.

That is not to imply that all of the members of either party suck.  Some do, some don't.

No your "opinion" is based on Chicken Little Pollyannaism and a hatred of everything having to do with the two party system that our Republic functions under.

If it sucks sooooooooooooo badly and you think you've got the cure...quit whining on a ****ing website and go DO something about it.

Either that or just continue doing what you do so well an support the DNC every two and four years by not voting or throwing your vote away on some nobody 3rd party candidate.

Just quit pissing and moaning about it to the rest of us...it's old.

[vesta111]

Were you sitting on my back porch a couple of weeks ago listening to a similar conversation? 

There are some of us who have thought up hundreds of scenarios for what the heck the agenda for Obama is on his actions or non actions on each and every one of the crises he is suppose to be fixing.

What on earth is he doing with our space agency and why, what benefit will this be to him.?