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So sayeth a federal judge in New York upon granting hispanics SIX VOTES EACH in Port Chester, NY.

The Huffpo link to the AP story is the best I found

How could any judge who is supposedly versed in the COTUS not see this as a blatant violation of the 14th Amendment?  Where is the equal protection for caucasian citizens?  This is a slippery slope.  Next it's gonna be "well, the population is 10% gay, but only 5% of House reps are gay, so we want 2 votes." or 5% muslim versus 1 rep, etc., ad nauseum

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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 07:05:50 AM »
Everyone was given six votes, but it was hoped that the Hispanics would all cast their votes the same way, while the white people would spread their votes out.

Still it is social engineering taken to the extreme.

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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 08:02:29 AM »
Everyone was given six votes, but it was hoped that the Hispanics would all cast their votes the same way, while the white people would spread their votes out.

Still it is social engineering taken to the extreme.

Social engineering my ass......it's more like the alchemist from the days of old trying to turn lead into gold.....it never works....so quit trying DUmmies.
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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 10:01:47 AM »
The village held 12 forums – six each in English and Spanish – to let voters know about the new system and to practice voting. The bilingual ballot lists each candidate across the top row – some of them twice if they have two party lines – and then the same candidates are listed five more times. In all, there are 114 levers; voters can flip any six.

Conetta said the voter education effort was so thorough he found voting easier than usual.

"It was very different but actually quite simple," he said. "No problem."


SERIOUSLY????

After becoming a Poll Manager in my state in our recent primary, with the simpliest ballot in the country, I find it UNBELIEVABLE that this could be so easy! 

Gonna research this more....
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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 10:18:54 AM »
Everyone was given six votes, but it was hoped that the Hispanics would all cast their votes the same way, while the white people would spread their votes out.

Still it is social engineering taken to the extreme.
Your description is exactly correct.

The entire situation is absurd. Each person should be allowed 1 vote per open seat. Imagine saying, if you don't want to vote for representatives or senators you can add your cumulative votes solely for a presidential candidate.

The fact of the matter is this: they want a hispanic in a seat and they will use whatever scheme appears least controversial but at the end of the day they want a hispanic and if this scheme doesn't provide the desired result a new scheme will be devised.

IOW: vote until I tell you you got it right.
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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 11:06:15 AM »
You can blame Bush for this - he extended the POS voter rights act...

This will spread... under the guise of social justice. Be on the watch.

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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 01:58:08 PM »
You can blame Bush for this - he extended the POS voter rights act...

This will spread... under the guise of social justice. Be on the watch.

That National Voting Rights act has been around since 1965.

What is so wrong with it?
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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2010, 01:58:59 PM »
That National Voting Rights act has been around since 1965.

What is so wrong with it?


It doesn't give the minorities more "equalness".

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2010, 02:41:02 PM »
That National Voting Rights act has been around since 1965.

What is so wrong with it?


It, effectly, is a quota system. And it allows the federal government to take over local elections, in many ways. It's a clear violation of the 10th and 14th amendments.

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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 02:50:43 PM »
after rereading the article, some of my objections are reduced, but as bkg said, this is still clearly a violation of the 10th and 14th Amendments, more so the 10th.

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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 02:54:01 PM »
Thanks bkg and Doc.

I did some digging after I posted that question and I concur.  It violates the 10th and 14th amendments.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 02:55:28 PM »
Thanks bkg and Doc.

I did some digging after I posted that question and I concur.  It violates the 10th and 14th amendments.

FORTUNATELY, those are the least important of the amendments.  :banghead: :banghead:

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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 04:24:34 PM »
It, effectly, is a quota system. And it allows the federal government to take over local elections, in many ways. It's a clear violation of the 10th and 14th amendments.
Except when the 10th and 14th amendments are not being applied to our fellow citizens because of their race. In 1965 it was happening.

Now, as near as I can tell in the OP there is no institutionalized racism in the election and the law is being misapplied. My post further up-thread affimrs this.

But misapplication does not abolish proper application and the 13th--and 14th--Amendments gives congress power to affect such laws as are necessary to avert the recreation of the caste system slavery imposed on this nation.

If we wish to argue that it is no longer 1965 we can but methinks while MALDEF and LaRaza abuse these statutes today, tomorrow we will be using them to defend ourselves from the depridations of MALDEF and LaRaza.
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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 04:29:08 PM »
Except when the 10th and 14th amendments are not being applied to our fellow citizens because of their race. In 1965 it was happening.

True...

But like most knee-jerk laws, they could have simply addressed this in court and resolved it under COTUS. But congress chooses to instead take freedom away.


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Re: All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2010, 05:16:46 PM »
True...

But like most knee-jerk laws, they could have simply addressed this in court and resolved it under COTUS. But congress chooses to instead take freedom away.
I'm not so sure.

How could a judge rule some of the many gimmicks invented to disenfranchise blacks were unconstitutional if those gimmicks applied to--but not adversely effected--whites as well but there was no civil law calling them unlawful?

A judge could easily say, "since it applies to whites it is equal treatment."

The clauses that grant congress the authority to pass such laws as are necessary to enforce these amendments make these laws constitutional.

And history makes them necessary.
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