Another quitter....AllentownJake

[Allentownjake]

I once read a psychologlical profile of Whittaker Chambers in, of all places, a long, detailed biography of the most fascinating man of the twentieth century, Henry R. Luce.

It didn't excuse people turning their coat, but it explained it.

Whittaker Chambers was from a rather modest background, and while he was a member of the Communist Party, he was hobnobbing with the Ivy League elite, the academic elite, affluent white liberals, the catered class.

He did yeoman's work for them as a Communist, but sooner or later it dawned upon him that no matter how good he was, he was never going to be accepted by the Alger Hiss-Owen Lattimore Country Club set.

And so he went to the other side, more accepting of diversity and utterly dismissive of "background" as a gauge of character.

There's a lesson in this.

Isn't that the story of Nixon within the GOP.  Both party's have an elite establishment, a club.  You are either a member or you are not.

[Plague]

It's pretty disturbing to see some people in this thread are acting more like DU members than the actual real deal , albeit former DU members in here.

That childish shit reflects on us all and makes us look pretty ****ing stupid.

So grow a pair and act like an adult.

[franksolich]

Isn't that the story of Nixon within the GOP.  Both party's have an elite establishment, a club.  You are either a member or you are not.

Yeah, pretty much the story of the "insiders" versus the "outsiders."

You see this a lot on this side of the aisle, where there's plenty of conservatives disenchanted with the Republican party.

I made an analogy once, comparing it with the evolution of Russia during medieval times.

Circa the 1400s, Russia was faced with a stark choice: (a) to become an empire or (b) to be absorbed by Poland.

The same situation hold today, in regards to conservatives and the Republican party; will the Tea Party movement be absorbed by the Republican party, or will the Tea Party movement absorb the Republican party?

It's as good as watching a show on television.

Me, I don't care either way; it's just politics.

All I care about is that the Republican party with its subsidiary the Tea Party movement, or the Tea Party movement with its subsidiary the Republican party, ends up on top.

[Allentownjake]

Yeah, pretty much the story of the "insiders" versus the "outsiders."

You see this a lot on this side of the aisle, where there's plenty of conservatives disenchanted with the Republican party.

I made an analogy once, comparing it with the evolution of Russia during medieval times.

Circa the 1400s, Russia was faced with a stark choice: (a) to become an empire or (b) to be absorbed by Poland.

The same situation hold today, in regards to conservatives and the Republican party; will the Tea Party movement be absorbed by the Republican party, or will the Tea Party movement absorb the Republican party?

It's as good as watching a show on television.

Me, I don't care either way; it's just politics.

All I care about is that the Republican party with its subsidiary the Tea Party movement, or the Tea Party movement with its subsidiary the Republican party, ends up on top.

I'm more concerned with us paying off our debt and my best friends kids, and if I decide to have them of my own, having opportunities at a life worth living.

[dandi]

I'm more concerned with us paying off our debt and my best friends kids, and if I decide to have them of my own, having opportunities at a life worth living.

So are we to understand that you are going to stop supporting liberal socialists?

ETA:  I like your av, btw.  Seems very fitting.

[Allentownjake]

So are we to understand that you are going to stop supporting liberal socialists?

ETA:  I like your av, btw.  Seems very fitting.

There are somethings I like the government doing, there are somethings I don't like it doing.  Frankly between the two parties every election I have a choice between what I view as different insanities.

I aligned with the democrats mostly over outside hemisphere foreign policy and trade issues.  I got pretty much the same deal.  Economically they are both different degrees of stupid to me.

Frankly, I'm not that worried, I feel there is about to be a game changer very shortly and this debate over R and D is going to be very different.

[I_B_Perky]

There are somethings I like the government doing, there are somethings I don't like it doing. 

Me too. I like the federal government (assuming we are talking about the federal government) doing the things they were assigned to do in the US Constitution. Other than that... I don't like the feds very much. 



 

[Allentownjake]

Me too. I like the federal government (assuming we are talking about the federal government) doing the things they were assigned to do in the US Constitution. Other than that... I don't like the feds very much. 



 

There we will find a lot of agreement.

[Ptarmigan]

Yeah, pretty much the story of the "insiders" versus the "outsiders."

You see this a lot on this side of the aisle, where there's plenty of conservatives disenchanted with the Republican party.

I made an analogy once, comparing it with the evolution of Russia during medieval times.

Circa the 1400s, Russia was faced with a stark choice: (a) to become an empire or (b) to be absorbed by Poland.

The same situation hold today, in regards to conservatives and the Republican party; will the Tea Party movement be absorbed by the Republican party, or will the Tea Party movement absorb the Republican party?

It's as good as watching a show on television.

Me, I don't care either way; it's just politics.

All I care about is that the Republican party with its subsidiary the Tea Party movement, or the Tea Party movement with its subsidiary the Republican party, ends up on top.

I think the Tea Party will absorb the Republican Party. Just sayin'.

[Allentownjake]

I expect the entrenched GOP interest to misbehave as much as any entrenched interest misbehaves. 

I'm expecting a legit 3rd party challenger in 2012.

[dandi]

Economically they are both different degrees of stupid to me.

How so?

Frankly, I'm not that worried, I feel there is about to be a game changer very shortly and this debate over R and D is going to be very different.

A gamechanger?  What kind?

[Allentownjake]

How so?

A gamechanger?  What kind?

I believe in Austrian Economics.  I view both Republicans and Democrats as different forms of Keynsians.  Tax cuts vs. spending.  I view both as ridiculous Keynsian debt adventures.

I see a total collapse in the banking sector due to the debt issue.  The banks have gotten a fairly good deal.  They can over value assets and hid their true leverage ratios.  I fully expect that game to end abruptly and take us into a very, very interesting place. 

[Ardent15]

I believe in Austrian Economics.  I view both Republicans and Democrats as different forms of Keynsians.  Tax cuts vs. spending.  I view both as ridiculous Keynsian debt adventures.

I see a total collapse in the banking sector due to the debt issue.  The banks have gotten a fairly good deal.  They can over value assets and hid their true leverage ratios.  I fully expect that game to end abruptly and take us into a very, very interesting place. 

And of course, since Republicans will not abide by any tax increases, and Democrats will not abide by spending cuts, they compromise and continue both tax cuts and massive spending.

The result is a huge deficit spending over years created a huge debt that we also have to pay interest on.

[Allentownjake]

And of course, since Republicans will not abide by any tax increases, and Democrats will not abide by spending cuts, they compromise and continue both tax cuts and massive spending.

The result is a huge deficit spending over years created a huge debt that we also have to pay interest on.

Yep

[dandi]

I believe in Austrian Economics.  I view both Republicans and Democrats as different forms of Keynsians.  Tax cuts vs. spending.  I view both as ridiculous Keynsian debt adventures.

I see a total collapse in the banking sector due to the debt issue.  The banks have gotten a fairly good deal.  They can over value assets and hid their true leverage ratios.  I fully expect that game to end abruptly and take us into a very, very interesting place. 

Different forms of Keynsians?  You equate putting money back into the hands of private citizens the same as taking more in taxes and throwing it into the wind?

[Allentownjake]

Different forms of Keynsians?  You equate putting money back into the hands of private citizens the same as taking more in taxes and throwing it into the wind?

If you are using debt to finance operations.  Yes

[dandi]

If you are using debt to finance operations.  Yes

Ah, got it

[Allentownjake]

Ah, got it

If you cut spending and cut taxes at the same time, it is basic budgeting.  If you raise spending while you cut taxes you are engaging in Keynsian voodoo.

Ike built the highway system, he did it with a tax on gasoline.

[dandi]

If you cut spending and cut taxes at the same time, it is basic budgeting.  If you raise spending while you cut taxes you are engaging in Keynsian voodoo.

Ike built the highway system, he did it with a tax on gasoline.

Dood, I said I got it.   

FWIW, I agree with that point.  Taxes can be cut and spending reduced although I think we would probably disagree on where to make the cuts.

[Allentownjake]

Dood, I said I got it.   

FWIW, I agree with that point.  Taxes can be cut and spending reduced although I think we would probably disagree on where to make the cuts.

Yes we should probably have that fight rather than compromise and spend our children into oblivion.

[AllosaursRus]

Been real busy over the weekend!

I see he's back!

Anybody want to bring me up to speed? I don't have time to read crap!

[Ballygrl]

Been real busy over the weekend!

I see he's back!

Anybody want to bring me up to speed? I don't have time to read crap!

LOL, he's actually been a pleasure to talk to, he's made some good points, than he's made points we've disagreed on, but it's been a nice debate, and I think he's been honest on questions we've asked about the Democrats.

[debk]

Been real busy over the weekend!

I see he's back!

Anybody want to bring me up to speed? I don't have time to read crap!

I've just read both threads .....both are very good discussions, and there is no reason - at least at this point - to be defensive and there is cause to "play well with others". 

[Allentownjake]

I've just read both threads .....both are very good discussions, and there is no reason - at least at this point - to be defensive and there is cause to "play well with others". 

At the end of the day, shit hits the fan, we are in the foxhole together.

[debk]

At the end of the day, shit hits the fan, we are in the foxhole together.

That's true.

All will have the choice to stand and fight together, or continue to argue and all will perish.

I get so tired of the blind worshipping that the Left exhibits for Obama and his Merry Band of Idiots. Not only are they blind, they are reckless with their words, attitudes and behavior, but are also convinced that Conservatives are out to destroy the country. All without any reflection upon their own actions.

I wish we could get rid of all the politicians and start with a clean slate, based upon a true desire to better the country....not to better themselves and fatten their bank accounts. Perhaps if the people took away the Congress critters lifetime benefits, those that wish to serve do it from a desire in their hearts and souls to serve the country, rather than to bask in the prestige and reap the benefits of being an elected Congress critter....