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Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« on: June 08, 2010, 12:11:27 PM »
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DaveinJapan (874 posts)        Tue Jun-08-10 11:25 AM
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Got stopped by cops today for no reason (probably because I'm an alien)
 So, I thought I'd convey this story (it's happened many times over the years) because in a sort of visceral way I felt, to probably a millionth of a degree, how any non-white person traveling though Arizona might feel.

I was riding my bicycle. Legally. Not bothering anyone, not breaking any laws. And I passed by a couple of cops staked out on their moterbikes.

As I passed by and turned the corner, I had a funny feeling. I heard the motor coming up behind me and I knew I was being followed (for no valid reason).

I looked back, saw the cop, and stopped. He "kindly" asked me how I was (In English), and then proceeded to question me in Japanese. I told him I can't speak Japanese (in English), and he promptly radioed for help. In the meantime, he asked me several questions in Japanese (I attempted to "play dumb", since if I admitted I could speak SOME Japanese, that would've been a license for him to question me in Japanese (I'm conversational, but hardly fluent).

After his partner arrived (an officer who spoke a modicum of English, but very broken and hardly suitable for questioning), I was asked where I'd bought my bicycle...to back up a bit, I was first and foremost asked for my papers (which I produced). Anyway, they asked where I'd bought my bike (I explained, in English, that I'd bought it nearby). Then they asked me what my wife's name was (which is also "on my papers", so they already knew but they asked me to confirm several times anyway).

At this point, I asked them why, exactly, I had been detained. They told me it was because they were checking for stolen bikes. Why they selected ME, in particular, is puzzling (it's Japanese people who are known to steal bicycles by and large, so why go after the foreigners?). I was also asked what I do for a living (why do they need to know THAT?).

The final straw (and I was pressed for time, otherwise I'd have challenged them at every point as to the legality of what they were doing), was when the English speaker asked me "Can you give me your phone number, please?". I replied "Am I required to do so?". He didn't understand me, so I said "MUST I give you my phone number, by law?", and he said "Please?", and I said "I don't want to", and then he backed off, saying "sorry. sorry.".

In the meantime they'd radioed in my bike serial numbers or whatever, and when they got word back from the office, they said "you can go".

All in all, a very uncomfortable experience for a guy just trying to go along doing nothing wrong. And I didn't feel particularly put out, by any means. But I can certainly imagine this sort of "stop and check" deal can get very wrong very fast (I only wished I'd pressed them a bit further, since I'm well aware that Japan has less legal obligation to treat people fairly so I honestly want to know how far it could go HERE in order to understand how far it could go in America given similar circumstances.
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havocmom  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jun-08-10 11:42 AM
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6. thanks for sharing that, Dave. Now, I ask readers to consider some changes in the details 
 Consider:

Instead of in some community, imagine that this happened on a stretch of road out away from anybody, you know, like the many Arizona state and county roads crossing the desert between communities. How would that impact the potential differences in the event? Few, if any, other people around as witnesses.

Instead of a couple of Japanese cops, imagine one or two bigger American cops, perhaps of the redneck, borderline winger, persuasion and mindset. Hell, let's throw in the possibility that the bigger US cops also listen to Beck, Rush, and various culturally famous, alleged Christian personalities who preach fire, brimstone, and hate instead of peace and love. And remember, it's a lonely stretch of road where nobody is watching except the turkey vulture gliding on the thermals over head.

Instead of Dave on a bicycle, imagine you are Rosa in a less than reliable car and you are on you way to check on your mother and father who were born in Arizona, as were your grandparents and great grandparents. But imagine your family spoke Spanish in the home where you grew up and your English has a subtle, lovely remnant of the cadence and tone of the first language (Oh Brother)  you heard as a child.

All you have on you is your driver's license. And one of the big cops suggests it looks counterfeit.

How do those changes in the details make you feel. I am guessing Dave wants us to use our imagination and stretch our empathy to what others might well be experiencing, today, in America. 
:sosad: :sosad:

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DaveinJapan (874 posts)        Tue Jun-08-10 12:10 PM
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13. Papers are legally required at all times for all non-Japanese. nt
 
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 no limit  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-08-10 12:20 PM
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15. Oh, so this wasn't in the states. Makes a bit more sense now. Sorry :)

What?  No big rant against those despicable racist Japanese requiring ID?  Nope. 

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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 12:16:03 PM »
So this guy was stopped in Japan? interesting that according to Arizona law they couldn't stop someone because they "looked" illegal, so am I to assume the OP was saying how good we have it in the US?
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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 12:25:42 PM »
Here's another bouncy from another thread:

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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-07-10 07:55 PM
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I'm at a wedding, and my uncle's right wing friend approaches me.
 He's a nice enough guy, I suppose. He's educated (an MBA) and likes to be super-macho conservative--guns, hunting, private property, anti-immigration. But I digress.

So he comes up to me (he's about 8-9 years older than I; that would put him between 35-55), we're in a church after the wedding service itself (some sort of Protestant sect); it's been about 7-8 years since we last saw each other. He knows my political ways, knows that I'm religious (he knows better than to argue theology with me, so he never really goes there), and he knows that I'm pretty laid back about things, so he feels free to try to make political jokes while still trying to make his point (all done in good humor of course. OF COURSE!!!).

So he comes up to me, smile spread across his mustachioed face, winks at my uncle (who is also repub.), and says to me, "So, you still liberal?" "Last time I checked." His smile gets even bigger (which means he's just read a really witty email and/or bumper sticker and is going to zing me with it). "You know, God is a Republican." Without missing a beat, without cracking a smile, I respond, "Well, that would explain all the starving people in Africa."

"I suggest we stop now, cause I can do this all night." We talked about the weather in my part of the country.
 

The following reply was then spouted by nearly all the DUmpmonkiez.  There they go again, they don't read the replies and all make the same stupid lame joke.  It's very annoying.  It makes them seem even more in a bubble than they already are.  They're deaf to an echo chamber.   

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JuniperLea  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-07-10 07:58 PM
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4. Snappy comeback!
 Love it!

The follow up would naturally have to be that Jesus was a socialist 
 
and/or "liberal" from the other posters. 

Juniper, Jesus was not a socialist.  He did not advocate the government takeover of private industry.  He did not advocate lazy DUmmies like you living off the backs of others' labor.

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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 12:27:32 PM »
And why, Mr. Poster was the aforementioned cop not located behind a bush? Boring, and no bush. Fail.


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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2010, 12:34:59 PM »
Most countries in the world are run by corrupt socialist, "Well, that would explain all the starving people in Africa."
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2010, 12:51:06 PM »
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havocmom  (1000+ posts)          Tue Jun-08-10 11:42 AM
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6. thanks for sharing that, Dave. Now, I ask readers to consider some changes in the details
   Consider:

Instead of in some community, imagine that this happened on a stretch of road out away from anybody, you know, like the many Arizona state and county roads crossing the desert between communities. How would that impact the potential differences in the event? Few, if any, other people around as witnesses.

Instead of a couple of Japanese cops, imagine one or two bigger American cops, perhaps of the redneck, borderline winger, persuasion and mindset. Hell, let's throw in the possibility that the bigger US cops also listen to Beck, Rush, and various culturally famous, alleged Christian personalities who preach fire, brimstone, and hate instead of peace and love. And remember, it's a lonely stretch of road where nobody is watching except the turkey vulture gliding on the thermals over head.

Instead of Dave on a bicycle, imagine you are Rosa in a less than reliable car and you are on you way to check on your mother and father who were born in Arizona, as were your grandparents and great grandparents. But imagine your family spoke Spanish in the home where you grew up and your English has a subtle, lovely remnant of the cadence and tone of the first language you heard as a child.

All you have on you is your driver's license. And one of the big cops suggests it looks counterfeit.

How do those changes in the details make you feel. I am guessing Dave wants us to use our imagination and stretch our empathy to what others might well be experiencing, today, in America.

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DaveinJapan (875 posts)          Tue Jun-08-10 12:14 PM
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14. Regarding your changes in the details...you make an excellent point!
   "I am guessing Dave wants us to use our imagination and stretch our empathy to what others might well be experiencing, today, in America."

You guessed correctly!

Well Dave, since you liked havocmom's change of details, how about I change some of her details around?

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Ballygrl  (0 posts since I got pizza'd and what a blessing in disguise that was)          Tue Jun-08-10 11:42 AM

6. thanks for sharing that, Dave. I haven't read a bouncy in a few days. Now, I ask DUmmies to consider some changes in the details
   Consider:

Instead of in some community, imagine that this happened on a stretch of road out away from anybody, you know, like the many Arizona state and county roads crossing the desert between communities. How would that impact the potential differences in the event? Few, if any, other people around as witnesses, and with the current state of the drug war going on in Mexico? the police could be at a disadvantage if they encounter armed coyotes and or drug traffickers.

Instead of a couple of Japanese cops, imagine one or two American cops who because of political correctness are forced to put their lives at stake for fear of the ACLU filing a lawsuit, perhaps these cops are white, black or hispanic, moderate, persuasion and mindset. Hell, let's throw in the possibility that the hands tied behind their backs because of political correctness US cops also have been forced to listen to their superiors and union officials who preach tolerance over common sense policing. And remember, it's a lonely stretch of road where nobody is watching except the turkey vulture gliding on the thermals over head.

Instead of Dave on a bicycle, imagine you are Michael Moore driving in a Mercedes Benz and he's looking for some good BBQ food and he sees Abdul Mojaza hitchhiking on the highway and Michael picks him up, Abdul speaks very little english but Michael Moore rambles on and on, then they see a cop car in the background, Abduls english as mentioned before is very limited. (at this point I have to say havocmom is absolutely insane in the stupidity she's citing from her peanut brain). OK, back to the cops stopping Michael and Abdul, Michael starts ranting how it isn't fair how he was stopped and how he wants his BBQ and that the only reason he was stopped was because Abdul was in the car and it was 9/11 type profiling going on, at this time a truck drives by with drugs and AK47's being illegally taken across the border and driving in Arizona to get to their destination, the cops of course can't stop that vehicle unless a valid reason is seen, but because of Michael ranting about his wanting BBQ and the cops profiling Abdul, the cops can't do a thing anyway.

All Michael has on him is his driver's license and his BBQ discount card, and one of the bogged down by regulations cops suggests the BBQ card looks counterfeit? Michael rants and raves and by this time Abdul has had enough of listening to his stupidity, he decides to forgo using a dirty bomb, gets out of the car and decides to hitchhike back to Mexico, and the cops sympathize with Abdul over Michael's stupidity and they tell him they'll give him a ride to the border.

How do those changes in the details make you feel. I am guessing Dave wants us to use our imagination and stretch our empathy to what others might well be experiencing, today, in America.


So there's my scenario havocmom!

What an idiotic post, and I'll include mine too, the difference though is havocmom is serious about hers, I'm not!

ETA: I'm serious when I talk about cops having their hands tied behind their back from higher ups and unions, but I'm just being facetious about Michael Moore ranting over BBQ...........or am I?
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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2010, 01:05:16 PM »
DUmmies should resist by all means available any questioning by any cop for any reason.

Stand up to Da Man you big sissies!
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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2010, 01:07:42 PM »
Japan has much stricter laws than we do. By the way the same Mexican government that helps people break our laws warn their own citizens not to even think about breaking Japanese immigrations laws.

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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2010, 01:21:05 PM »
DUmmies should resist by all means available any questioning by any cop for any reason.

Stand up to Da Man you big sissies!

Yeah and then blog all about it so the judge can throw your ass in jail!  Ask Carlos (rimjob)Miller about it!
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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 02:32:06 PM »
What?  No big rant against those despicable racist Japanese requiring ID?  Nope. 

And they are. Absolutely some of the worst in the world but that's their culture. Of course they'd also be apologizing as they were telling the DUmmies to go pound sand by not doing anything different.

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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 05:39:47 PM »
.5 bongs

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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 05:48:13 PM »
bounce
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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 08:37:57 PM »
Here's another bouncy from another thread:

The following reply was then spouted by nearly all the DUmpmonkiez.  There they go again, they don't read the replies and all make the same stupid lame joke.  It's very annoying.  It makes them seem even more in a bubble than they already are.  They're deaf to an echo chamber.   
 and/or "liberal" from the other posters. 

Juniper, Jesus was not a socialist.  He did not advocate the government takeover of private industry.  He did not advocate lazy DUmmies like you living off the backs of others' labor.
Did George Bush send 1 billion to Africa?  Is George Bush a democrat now?
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Re: Today's Bouncy Comes to us from a Faraway Land
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2010, 09:41:34 PM »
Did George Bush send 1 billion to Africa?  Is George Bush a democrat now?

Bush promised $15 billion for AIDS