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Re: soleil, I have some political questions for you
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2010, 10:38:11 PM »
How does it not, lady?  Religion is cultural, not political - or so we have to pretend.  Muslims kill homosexuals.  That's part of their culture.  I can produce photos if you need them.

How do you pick and choose what can be brought to corrupt America's unique culture.  Are you the arbitrator?

You are Crazyland.  Leftism is a mental disorder.  Even those like you who appear rational are not immune.

Do you hate muslims for hating homosexuals?  

I honestly can't even respond to that because that has nothing at all to do with anything that I am saying. Mexicans are predominantly Catholic. That is part of their culture. I wasn't even really talking about the Middle East. There are many different cultures and religions in this world, and unlike many other countries, we have freedom of religion here. But you brought up religion. I didn't. I was talking other cultural aspects.
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« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2010, 10:40:14 PM »
Their hypocrisy comes naturally.

1 of my favorite Ann Coulter's quotes is this:

"We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States."
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« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2010, 10:41:25 PM »
I honestly can't even respond to that because that has nothing at all to do with anything at all that I am saying. Mexicans are predominantly Catholic. That is part of their culture. I wasn't even really talking about the Middle East. There are many different cultures and religions in this world, and unlike many other countries, we have freedom of religion here. But you brought up religion. I didn't. I was talking other cultural aspects.

Yes, friends, this is the traffic circles of an obtuse mind that worships failure.  We call them DUmmies.

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« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2010, 10:42:31 PM »
gee....only took 3 pages before it turned ugly.

what a surprise.
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« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2010, 10:43:02 PM »
Yes, friends, this is the traffic circles of an obtuse mind that worships failure.  We call them DUmmies.

So you won't address what I wrote, just put me down?

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« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2010, 10:45:09 PM »
gee....only took 3 pages before it turned ugly.

what a surprise.

Look, I am not trying to turn this ugly. I am sure it will turn on me because I am the lone one here who agrees with me, duh. But really, I am trying to keep it civil like I wanted it to be.

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« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2010, 10:46:09 PM »
1 of my favorite Ann Coulter's quotes is this:

"We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States."

That is one of my favorite Ann quotes too.  So true.  So honest.  So un-debate-able.

All a mentally wigged-out leftist can say in response is "Shut up".  It's GOLDEN!

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« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2010, 10:47:16 PM »
soleil I appreciate your sticking the thread out, though I may not agree with much of what you say you do have the right to feel whatever way you feel. People do change though, I remember Dennis Miller when he was a leftist, it's amazing how he turned around and went the polar opposite, same for David Zucker.
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Re: soleil, I have some political questions for you
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2010, 10:48:47 PM »
Look, I am not trying to turn this ugly. I am sure it will turn on me because I am the lone one here who agrees with me, duh. But really, I am trying to keep it civil like I wanted it to be.

For what it's worth, I don't see you being ugly Soleil. 

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« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2010, 10:49:06 PM »
Look, I am not trying to turn this ugly. I am sure it will turn on me because I am the lone one here who agrees with me, duh. But really, I am trying to keep it civil like I wanted it to be.

I think you've been very civil and it's not easy being the only 1 with a different POV.
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« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2010, 10:51:13 PM »
So you won't address what I wrote, just put me down?

You need to be put down.  Or at least brought to reality.  What did you say that deserved an address.  You qualify things after the fact to fit your needs.  "I was talking other cultural aspects", you say.  You didn't specify, now did you?  So, when I go down some avenue you do not wish to travel, I am being mean to you?

Sweetie, that tactic is on page two of the Liberal's Handbook.  I know you.  You are not fooling me.

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« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2010, 10:52:14 PM »
I did specify.

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« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2010, 10:53:25 PM »
For what it's worth, I don't see you being ugly Soleil.  

I am trying my best not to be. I do realize I am at the conservative cave. However, it can be kept civil. I would like for it to.

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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2010, 10:55:50 PM »
You need to be put down.  Or at least brought to reality.  What did you say that deserved an address.  You qualify things after the fact to fit your needs.  "I was talking other cultural aspects", you say.  You didn't specify, now did you?  So, when I go down some avenue you do not wish to travel, I am being mean to you?

Sweetie, that tactic is on page two of the Liberal's Handbook.  I know you.  You are not fooling me.


Undies, you know I love you but that went too far.

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« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2010, 11:02:07 PM »

Undies, you know I love you but that went too far.

I didn't mean "killed".  I meant in the context it was originally used by the lib.  

I love you too, and I am extremely surprised you would be confused by that.  

(BTW, I past your old neighborhood twice today! :) )

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« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2010, 11:12:27 PM »
Heritage maybe? Not sure since I was born and raised in this country, but if I were to go elsewhere, I'd always want to be referred to as an American in some way. My grandma always liked to call herself Irish-American even though it was her parents who came here and not her. She was born here. I have no answer to that question really. Maybe it is human nature to feel something about where you came from.

I'm not sure about your age, but I think you are near my childrens' age, so your grandmother would be my parents age. I think....

The difference between the immigrants of today, and those of my grandparents age...was that prior to the WWII ....people who immigrated to the United States, wanted to be Americans.

Yes, many of them retained lots of their homelands, holiday customs, foods, feast days, etc....but they learned to speak English, they worked to become legal citizens. They assimilated into the American culture ....the American culture and mores were not expected to adapt to the immigrants' culture. While they might still refer to themselves as Irish-American, or Swedish, Italian, Polish, Greek -American...they learned to speak English and were PROUD of it! They enlisted in the US Military...and were PROUD of it! They managed to keep their heritage, yet they became Americans. And they were PROUD of it!!!

Today, we Americans our losing our Americana culture because we are being forced by our own government and those "Political Correctness must reign supreme" advocates...to adapt to the multi-cultural population that is becoming more prevalent in our society every day.

What the powers that be are forgetting in forcing this change .....is that for 500 YEARS, people have been coming to this country...to America....to get away from their homelands!!

And what our we doing? We are going along with it, and in the process are losing the United States of America.

This is NOT the United States of the World.

This is America!!!

When are our politicians, and those who are enforcing the political correctness of making every culture in the world more important than being American, going to wake up and realize what they are doing?

It's cheaper to allow all the illegal immigrants to go through as extensive as possible background checks, make them learn English, make them get a real job that pays taxes and Social Security, then give them citizenship and stop paying them under the table and perpetuating the illegality of the situation.

Those that want to continue to do illegal activities will move on to another place...they don't want to be legal...so go after the much lower number and either return them to their country of origin or shoot 'em! (not literally  ::) )

They want to live here....then fine....become Americans!!! Do not ask Americans to become Mexican, Indian, Pakastani, whatever.

A perfect example of a particular nationality that has immigrated here and assimilated into Americans are the Vietnamese. Go into any nail salon that is owned by a Vietnam born individual. They speak English...some better than others, they have taken "American" names that are easier to pronounce, they work hard, they pay taxes, many are working on their education, and they are working on becoming American citizens if they aren't already. These people want to become "American" ....while retaining their heritage, and not asking Americans to become more Vietnamese.
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

"My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I've finished two bags of M&M's and a chocolate cake. I feel better already." – Dave Barry

A balanced diet is chocolate in both hands.

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« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2010, 11:15:14 PM »
Look, I am not trying to turn this ugly. I am sure it will turn on me because I am the lone one here who agrees with me, duh. But really, I am trying to keep it civil like I wanted it to be.

I don't think you've been ugly at all.
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

"My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I've finished two bags of M&M's and a chocolate cake. I feel better already." – Dave Barry

A balanced diet is chocolate in both hands.

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« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2010, 11:18:09 PM »
I'm not sure about your age, but I think you are near my childrens' age, so your grandmother would be my parents age. I think....

The difference between the immigrants of today, and those of my grandparents age...was that prior to the WWII ....people who immigrated to the United States, wanted to be Americans.

Yes, many of them retained lots of their homelands, holiday customs, foods, feast days, etc....but they learned to speak English, they worked to become legal citizens. They assimilated into the American culture ....the American culture and mores were not expected to adapt to the immigrants' culture. While they might still refer to themselves as Irish-American, or Swedish, Italian, Polish, Greek -American...they learned to speak English and were PROUD of it! They enlisted in the US Military...and were PROUD of it! They managed to keep their heritage, yet they became Americans. And they were PROUD of it!!!

Today, we Americans our losing our Americana culture because we are being forced by our own government and those "Political Correctness must reign supreme" advocates...to adapt to the multi-cultural population that is becoming more prevalent in our society every day.

What the powers that be are forgetting in forcing this change .....is that for 500 YEARS, people have been coming to this country...to America....to get away from their homelands!!

And what our we doing? We are going along with it, and in the process are losing the United States of America.

This is NOT the United States of the World.

This is America!!!

When are our politicians, and those who are enforcing the political correctness of making every culture in the world more important than being American, going to wake up and realize what they are doing?

It's cheaper to allow all the illegal immigrants to go through as extensive as possible background checks, make them learn English, make them get a real job that pays taxes and Social Security, then give them citizenship and stop paying them under the table and perpetuating the illegality of the situation.

Those that want to continue to do illegal activities will move on to another place...they don't want to be legal...so go after the much lower number and either return them to their country of origin or shoot 'em! (not literally  ::) )

They want to live here....then fine....become Americans!!! Do not ask Americans to become Mexican, Indian, Pakastani, whatever.

A perfect example of a particular nationality that has immigrated here and assimilated into Americans are the Vietnamese. Go into any nail salon that is owned by a Vietnam born individual. They speak English...some better than others, they have taken "American" names that are easier to pronounce, they work hard, they pay taxes, many are working on their education, and they are working on becoming American citizens if they aren't already. These people want to become "American" ....while retaining their heritage, and not asking Americans to become more Vietnamese.

You expressed how I feel much better then I did.
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« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2010, 11:25:55 PM »
I'm not sure about your age, but I think you are near my childrens' age, so your grandmother would be my parents age. I think....

The difference between the immigrants of today, and those of my grandparents age...was that prior to the WWII ....people who immigrated to the United States, wanted to be Americans.

Yes, many of them retained lots of their homelands, holiday customs, foods, feast days, etc....but they learned to speak English, they worked to become legal citizens. They assimilated into the American culture ....the American culture and mores were not expected to adapt to the immigrants' culture. While they might still refer to themselves as Irish-American, or Swedish, Italian, Polish, Greek -American...they learned to speak English and were PROUD of it! They enlisted in the US Military...and were PROUD of it! They managed to keep their heritage, yet they became Americans. And they were PROUD of it!!!

Today, we Americans our losing our Americana culture because we are being forced by our own government and those "Political Correctness must reign supreme" advocates...to adapt to the multi-cultural population that is becoming more prevalent in our society every day.

What the powers that be are forgetting in forcing this change .....is that for 500 YEARS, people have been coming to this country...to America....to get away from their homelands!!

And what our we doing? We are going along with it, and in the process are losing the United States of America.

This is NOT the United States of the World.

This is America!!!

When are our politicians, and those who are enforcing the political correctness of making every culture in the world more important than being American, going to wake up and realize what they are doing?

It's cheaper to allow all the illegal immigrants to go through as extensive as possible background checks, make them learn English, make them get a real job that pays taxes and Social Security, then give them citizenship and stop paying them under the table and perpetuating the illegality of the situation.

Those that want to continue to do illegal activities will move on to another place...they don't want to be legal...so go after the much lower number and either return them to their country of origin or shoot 'em! (not literally  ::) )

They want to live here....then fine....become Americans!!! Do not ask Americans to become Mexican, Indian, Pakastani, whatever.

A perfect example of a particular nationality that has immigrated here and assimilated into Americans are the Vietnamese. Go into any nail salon that is owned by a Vietnam born individual. They speak English...some better than others, they have taken "American" names that are easier to pronounce, they work hard, they pay taxes, many are working on their education, and they are working on becoming American citizens if they aren't already. These people want to become "American" ....while retaining their heritage, and not asking Americans to become more Vietnamese.

I am all for people wanting to become citizens here being expected to learn and know English. I also know that his country has been evolving from the get go. The question is are people willing to evolve with it. Some are, some aren't, some are to a certain extent.

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« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2010, 11:27:36 PM »
You expressed how I feel much better then I did.

Thanks.

My dad's parents came here in 1921 from Great Britain, they went to northen Ohio.

My mother's came here in the early 1900's from England, they went to central Illinois.

My step-mother's came here about the same time from Denmark, they went to Western Iowa.

My ex's paternal great-grandparents came here from Holland, they went to Chicago.

All of them came through Ellis Island, and all eventually became American citizens.

It's easier to understand when you grow up hearing the stories of why your family came to this country...and it really wasn't all that long ago. Plus, growing up in the midwest....many of my friends had grandparents, some parents that were born in another country.

Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

"My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I've finished two bags of M&M's and a chocolate cake. I feel better already." – Dave Barry

A balanced diet is chocolate in both hands.

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« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2010, 11:37:33 PM »
I am all for people wanting to become citizens here being expected to learn and know English. I also know that his country has been evolving from the get go. The question is are people willing to evolve with it. Some are, some aren't, some are to a certain extent.


I don't think it's "evolving"....I think it is "you must change and stop being who you are" being forced upon those that are American born.

There is a huge difference between acceptance and having something shoved down one's throat.

We Americans are not being asked to accept immigrants...we are being forced to adapt to their cultures and mores.

I have no problem with accepting an immigrant who comes to America with the intent of becoming an American and assimilating into our society.

We celebrate St Patrick's Day with the Irish, we recognize Yom Kippur, Hanakah, we go to the Greek Festivals, or any number of "heritage" events. That's not it.

It's those who are not willing to become "American" and to do it legally, that I have a problem with.

A hyphenated American....is just that....a hyphen.
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

"My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far I've finished two bags of M&M's and a chocolate cake. I feel better already." – Dave Barry

A balanced diet is chocolate in both hands.

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Re: soleil, I have some political questions for you
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2010, 11:47:16 PM »
I didn't mean "killed".  I meant in the context it was originally used by the lib.  

I love you too, and I am extremely surprised you would be confused by that.  

(BTW, I past your old neighborhood twice today! :) )

Sorry I misunderstood you. 

Damn you, I want to go home.  :(

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« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2010, 12:23:53 PM »
You need to be put down.  Or at least brought to reality.  What did you say that deserved an address.  You qualify things after the fact to fit your needs.  "I was talking other cultural aspects", you say.  You didn't specify, now did you?  So, when I go down some avenue you do not wish to travel, I am being mean to you?

Sweetie, that tactic is on page two of the Liberal's Handbook.  I know you.  You are not fooling me.

Did someone die and leave you as the final arbiter of all that is correct in the world?  I must have missed that memo.........

So far you've tried unsuccessfully to derail what was a simple, civil discussion between a couple of members into homosexuality (you failed at that), now you are attempting a different form of veiled attack.

Undies......you and perhaps to a lesser degree, a couple of others are singularly responsible for most of the threads that this member participates in being either locked, or tossed into "Fight Club"........I think that by now we are all aware of your opinions (which, I'm told are like assholes.....everybody has one, and yours appears to smell worse than most).  By now, anyone with an IQ that is higher than room temperature has pretty much figured you out, so I think that you've made your point.......all that is happening now is that you are making yourself look like an idiot.....

If you can't participate in a rather benign thread without disrupting it, I'm going to request that the Admins get involved.

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« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2010, 01:08:52 PM »
Did someone die and leave you as the final arbiter of all that is correct in the world?  I must have missed that memo.........

So far you've tried unsuccessfully to derail what was a simple, civil discussion between a couple of members into homosexuality (you failed at that), now you are attempting a different form of veiled attack.

Undies......you and perhaps to a lesser degree, a couple of others are singularly responsible for most of the threads that this member participates in being either locked, or tossed into "Fight Club"........I think that by now we are all aware of your opinions (which, I'm told are like assholes.....everybody has one, and yours appears to smell worse than most).  By now, anyone with an IQ that is higher than room temperature has pretty much figured you out, so I think that you've made your point.......all that is happening now is that you are making yourself look like an idiot.....

If you can't participate in a rather benign thread without disrupting it, I'm going to request that the Admins get involved.

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My, you are a cry baby these days.

This would have a lot more impact if I cared about anything you have to say.
 

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« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2010, 01:15:48 PM »

My, you are a cry baby these days.

This would have a lot more impact if I cared about anything you have to say.
 

Perhaps you'd like to tale this discussion "behind closed doors" in the Mod Shop........where we can discuss it privately?

If you have the gonads........

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