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subway cat worried about quality of her food
« on: March 18, 2008, 02:44:34 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3025983

Oh my.

The subway cat, who allegedly gets only $82 a month in food-stamps.

It's difficult to tell, but I think the only original comment of the subway cat is the "nope," and the rest is a news article by someone else.

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undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 12:11 AM
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The Pet Food Recall: One Year Later, Has Anything Changed?

Nope...

I didn't guess when I began covering this story with Gina Spadafori at Pet Connection that it would turn into the largest consumer recall in history, trigger an international trade scandal, launch congressional hearings, spur proposed legislation on food safety and get both American and Chinese businesses owners indicted. I couldn't have foreseen that the incident would put a spotlight on Chinese imports which would eventually reveal lead in children's toys and toxins in toothpaste, and prompt the recent recall of the drug heparin.

But it's equally hard to believe that after all that, the answer to the question "Could it happen again?" is probably "Yes."

The reason for that is simple: None of the changes that might prevent a repeat of last year's pet food recall have been implemented. There have been no improved inspections of pet food plants, no comprehensive overhaul of the patchwork of state, federal and industry manufacturing standards and regulations, no increased transparency and accountability — not even something as simple as printing the name and contact information of the actual manufacturer on pet food labels — and no revisions to pet food labeling laws. The Food and Drug Administration still does not have the authority to issue mandatory recalls.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/0...

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JeffR  (1000+ posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 12:13 AM
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1. Thanks for posting this as sick and angry as it makes me feel.

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magellan  (1000+ posts)      Tue Mar-18-08 12:16 AM
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2. Thanks for this

I started making my pet's food myself last year, and I've seen no reason to stop.

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lonestarnot  (1000+ posts)      Tue Mar-18-08 12:16 AM
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3. Were you really thinking it might change?

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undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 01:15 AM
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7. No.

I know where pet food comes from.

The "meat" is from carcasses and it's full of -plastics,rendered,that is, cooked.When plastics are cooked it sublimates and it goes back into the ''meal'. As it cools this plastic changes into a different chemical form,and inside the bodies of our pets we have cyanuric acid and kidney stones galore from this. It isn't just a Chinese problem .

People here on DU were blaming China as if they are the only source of this mess,but they are not the real source of this situation, it is an industry wide problem with rendering and it is not a simple thing to fix because of the sheer amount of dead flesh these places process..There is a problem with the rendering process itself regardless of what country the protein is rendered in.. The protein meal" from renderer's looks like brown sugar and it is put in all sorts of animal feed as a cheap source of protein..Animal by products,meat by products, protein/bone meal,it goes by a ton of names.

http://siriusdog.com/pet-food-rendering-cvma-smith.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0106-03.htm

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ColbertWatcher (388 posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 12:18 AM
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4. So true...

...I wonder if anyone has a timeline showing the food problems of this failed adminstration starting with the first mad cow scare to the pet food recall to the recent beef recall...

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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 12:25 AM
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5. The recent heparin findings reminded me of this all over again.

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undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 01:21 AM
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8. It's not going to change

Until people face up to how foods are manufactured in all it's horrific truth,and after that we must unite in our rage in more than online rants.Only when the companies are forced,literally to change, And it may come to if need be at gunpoint. And after the profits are taken out of the equation,and these psychopath Ceo's are forced to change.They may have to be threatened to be dragged through the street by pissed off people like Mussolini was ,or pissed people can always drag out a guillotine and chop some heads outside the corporate headquarters,than, we might see a change in the way business is done..

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orleans  (1000+ posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 01:25 AM
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9. what changed was the brand of dog food i buy and my level of trust in the pet food/people food/all imports from china/

my faith in the bush administration was not altered

Ooops, the primitive above made a gaffe, a no-no.

It's not kosher for Mao-loving primitives to slam the socialist paradise of the workers and peasants with free medical care for all, Red China.

The primitive's supposed to cover up such things, stash them under the carpet, not expose them.

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grace0418  (1000+ posts)       Tue Mar-18-08 02:02 AM
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10. I changed to buying organic cat food. It's more expensive but it keeps my cat's diabetes at bay and I don't have to worry about him getting poisoned.


Anybody want to take odds that home-made cat-food is.....vegetarian?

Anybody want to take odds that the graceless primitive uses chemical scents, hazardous to children, dogs, cats, birds, &c., on her carpets to cover up the cat-smell, rather than cleaning the carpets?

Anybody want to take odds that the graceless primitive named her cat something really stupid, like Muffy or Fluffy or Fifi or Toodles, rather than a decent and civilized name?
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 07:23:27 AM »
I dunno, Frank. A friend of mine was recommended the organic pet food by her vet...of course, her cat is insane and incredibly obese.

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it is an industry wide problem with rendering and it is not a simple thing to fix because of the sheer amount of dead flesh these places process..There is a problem with the rendering process itself regardless of what country the protein is rendered in.. The protein meal" from renderer's looks like brown sugar and it is put in all sorts of animal feed as a cheap source of protein..Animal by products,meat by products, protein/bone meal,it goes by a ton of names.

It really irks me that UGP is pissed that animal food contains protein. DUH! Cats and dogs are carnivores. If they were feral, they'd be living off of rodents! WTF? Making your pet a vegetarian is BAD FOR THEM.

God, these people are ****sticks.  :thatsright:

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2008, 07:43:11 AM »
My dogs eat steak.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2008, 07:45:17 AM »
BTW, all you guys wasting your money on treats, and mine will usually only eat one kind and that is Puperoni, here's a suggestion. Buy a cheap round steak. You can get a HUGE one for about 2 bucks. Season it overnight then grill. Cut up in chunks and put in a Zip-Lock. Makes a helluva lot better treat than a f'n Beggin' Strip and it'll last a long time.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 07:49:22 AM »
BTW, all you guys wasting your money on treats, and mine will usually only eat one kind and that is Puperoni, here's a suggestion. Buy a cheap round steak. You can get a HUGE one for about 2 bucks. Season it overnight then grill. Cut up in chunks and put in a Zip-Lock. Makes a helluva lot better treat than a f'n Beggin' Strip and it'll last a long time.

That's similar with what I do for the cats here; natural meat.

However, is it a good idea to "season" it?

The cats here get good meat as treats, but I don't put anything on it, because I'm not sure how these additions might affect them.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 07:54:09 AM »
That's similar with what I do for the cats here; natural meat.

However, is it a good idea to "season" it?

The cats here get good meat as treats, but I don't put anything on it, because I'm not sure how these additions might affect them.

Probably not, but my dogs have acquired a human palate.  :-)

Now, when I say season, I am referring to Lea and Perrins, not Tony Chachere's.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 07:55:06 AM »
That's similar with what I do for the cats here; natural meat.

However, is it a good idea to "season" it?

The cats here get good meat as treats, but I don't put anything on it, because I'm not sure how these additions might affect them.

Probably not, but my dogs have acquired a human palate.  :-)

Now, when I say season, I am referring to Lea and Perrins, not Tony Chachere's.

Oh.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 07:57:32 AM »
I dunno, Frank. A friend of mine was recommended the organic pet food by her vet...of course, her cat is insane and incredibly obese.

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it is an industry wide problem with rendering and it is not a simple thing to fix because of the sheer amount of dead flesh these places process..There is a problem with the rendering process itself regardless of what country the protein is rendered in.. The protein meal" from renderer's looks like brown sugar and it is put in all sorts of animal feed as a cheap source of protein..Animal by products,meat by products, protein/bone meal,it goes by a ton of names.

It really irks me that UGP is pissed that animal food contains protein. DUH! Cats and dogs are carnivores. If they were feral, they'd be living off of rodents! WTF? Making your pet a vegetarian is BAD FOR THEM.

God, these people are ****sticks.  :thatsright:
My vet has told me that protein should be in the first three ingredients of any good pet food. She said that animals really can't use all of the fillers that are in the cheap stuff and can actually be bad for the animal as far as joint and skin health.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 08:03:04 AM »
My dogs eat steak.

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 08:11:25 AM »
I dunno, Frank. A friend of mine was recommended the organic pet food by her vet...of course, her cat is insane and incredibly obese.

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it is an industry wide problem with rendering and it is not a simple thing to fix because of the sheer amount of dead flesh these places process..There is a problem with the rendering process itself regardless of what country the protein is rendered in.. The protein meal" from renderer's looks like brown sugar and it is put in all sorts of animal feed as a cheap source of protein..Animal by products,meat by products, protein/bone meal,it goes by a ton of names.

It really irks me that UGP is pissed that animal food contains protein. DUH! Cats and dogs are carnivores. If they were feral, they'd be living off of rodents! WTF? Making your pet a vegetarian is BAD FOR THEM.

God, these people are ****sticks.  :thatsright:
My vet has told me that protein should be in the first three ingredients of any good pet food. She said that animals really can't use all of the fillers that are in the cheap stuff and can actually be bad for the animal as far as joint and skin health.

Ours told us that as well. Our cat was eating the Nutro until it was recalled, and we switched her to Pro Plan. Now she eats Prescription Diet for her teeth. I cringe when I see people buying Fancy Feast and Meow Mix...that stuff is crap.

It really pisses me off when people try to make their pets vegetarians. Much like it pisses me off when people try to make their kids (babies) vegetarian.  :whatever:


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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 10:26:34 AM »
I almost give a homelss person a steak a week but then my dogs get it.

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
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The Pet Food Recall: One Year Later, Has Anything Changed?

Nope...

Underground Panther posting about the pet food recall?
Does anyone see the irony here?
Sewer cat & pet food recall?
Heh...
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 11:24:28 AM »
I dunno, Frank. A friend of mine was recommended the organic pet food by her vet...of course, her cat is insane and incredibly obese.


Her cat is Underground Panther?  :naughty:
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2008, 01:05:56 PM »
That's similar with what I do for the cats here; natural meat.

However, is it a good idea to "season" it?

The cats here get good meat as treats, but I don't put anything on it, because I'm not sure how these additions might affect them.

Probably not, but my dogs have acquired a human palate.  :-)

Now, when I say season, I am referring to Lea and Perrins, not Tony Chachere's.

Oh.

This is something I actually know a little bit about. I give both my dogs and cats a grain-free, human grade dry food but make food for both and feed them a BARF (bones and raw food...yes even chicken bones are just fine and even healthy...think marrow...as long as they're RAW). I also make a big pot of chicken or wild turkey (I have an abundance of both) & veggie soup every week. You have to be careful to make sure they get a proper balance of nutrients...it's especially important for cats who are obligate carnivores. They MUST have taurine and cooking leeches it from meat, that's why a raw diet is so beneficial to cats. If they hunt and actually eat their prey, instead of just playing with it until somebody dies, they're probably getting enough. Tuna, mackerel, and heart (chicken hearts are very cheap) are good sources of taurine. Dogs love organ meats for treats.

As far as flavorings go garlic is a good choice as it aids digestion and helps repel parasites. Bone meal, nutritional yeast and oil (Wesson is fine as is olive oil and cats are quite fond of fish oil) add nutrition and flavor. Miso, tamari, tomato sauce, herb mixtures (most dogs and cats actually don't like salted food), lecithin powder, kelp powder. If you want a cheap source of calcium and flavor, save your eggshells, clean them thoroughly & let dry, and grind them in a food processor, spice grinder, or coffee grinder into a powder. You might want to pop them in the oven for about 10 or so minutes at a low temp...maybe 250-300 degrees, especially if you buy eggs at the grocery store. Often they're coated with oil to keep them from drying out and the oven bakes the oil off which makes them much easier to grind.

You kind of have to experiment to see what your animals prefer. You'd think, considering where they lick and how often they have their noses up each other's butts they wouldn't be so picky, but they are.

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 01:12:01 PM »
Cindie has turned her pets into liberals.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2008, 01:43:47 PM »
Cindie has turned her pets into liberals.

Actually, my pets work for a living. My dogs are responsible for herding the goats, guarding the chickens and putting them in the coop at night and keeping vermin like raccoons, opossums, etc. away. They also chase off the wild turkeys when they come too close to the house and try to steal the chicken feed (they have no boundaries and I just can't stand them...I'd kill one everyday except I don't want to have to clean them). Not to mention protecting me. My cats keep the small vermin population in check. I can even leave grain bags open and not have mice getting into them.

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2008, 02:17:42 PM »
Cindie has turned her pets into liberals.
Let's see:
* It is all about ME
* I will do nothing but I expect you to earn money to take care of ME
* You must shelter and feed ME.
* When you give ME things, they must measure up to MY standards
* I will only acknowledge your presence to complain because I want something
* You are responsible for the weather
* Prefers to stay up all night and sleep all day

Cats are BORN liberal!!!
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 02:23:48 PM »
Actually, my pets work for a living. My dogs are responsible for herding the goats, guarding the chickens and putting them in the coop at night and keeping vermin like raccoons, opossums, etc. away. They also chase off the wild turkeys when they come too close to the house and try to steal the chicken feed (they have no boundaries and I just can't stand them...I'd kill one everyday except I don't want to have to clean them). Not to mention protecting me. My cats keep the small vermin population in check. I can even leave grain bags open and not have mice getting into them.

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2008, 02:24:32 PM »
Let's see:
* It is all about ME
* I will do nothing but I expect you to earn money to take care of ME
* You must shelter and feed ME.
* When you give ME things, they must measure up to MY standards
* I will only acknowledge your presence to complain because I want something
* You are responsible for the weather
* Prefers to stay up all night and sleep all day

Cats are BORN liberal!!!

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They're like tiny women in fur coats.  :-)


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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2008, 03:01:55 PM »
Dogs love organ meats for treats.

One of the guys in the deer hunting camp I belong to saves the hearts and livers of all of the deer we kill, to feed them to his dogs.  They love them.
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2008, 04:49:25 PM »
My last cat lived on fresh, raw, diced kangeroo steak when it was young. Minced same when it started to get old. Lived for 16 years.

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2008, 05:00:54 PM »
Might as well shoot your cats with a 454 Casull then to make then veggens at least the pain wouldn't even register .
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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2008, 05:06:57 PM »
Actually, my pets work for a living. My dogs are responsible for herding the goats, guarding the chickens and putting them in the coop at night and keeping vermin like raccoons, opossums, etc. away. They also chase off the wild turkeys when they come too close to the house and try to steal the chicken feed (they have no boundaries and I just can't stand them...I'd kill one everyday except I don't want to have to clean them). Not to mention protecting me. My cats keep the small vermin population in check. I can even leave grain bags open and not have mice getting into them.

Cindie

You know I was kidding, right?  :-)

Of course! Believe me my husband says worse than that, especially when he's got to stop on the way home from work and buy kelp powder and tamari from the Asian grocery. You should see the hoops I jump through when I have a rescue iguana...organic produce only. One year I had a part of the garden set aside just to grow iguana veggies...now THAT'S liberal. Especially since they basically contribute nothing. They have to be bathed daily and have their nails trimmed once a week (otherwise you end up looking like you got you arm stuck in a weed whacker). You think cats are prima donnas, try living with a 6 foot iguana.

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Re: subway cat worried about quality of her food
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2008, 05:47:45 PM »
I dunno, Frank. A friend of mine was recommended the organic pet food by her vet...of course, her cat is insane and incredibly obese.


Her cat is Underground Panther?  :naughty:
How that must suck. Did she neuter her yet?


Thankfully, yes. :) However, the cat thinks she is a person...not the other way around.