Oscar Wilde has a star now; can avoid DU AdBot

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7949455

Hmmm.

Oscar Wilde must've wired a donation to my fellow alum.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 04:56 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Original message

What is the real goal of the right wing lunatic fringe?

It’s hard to say, because there are so many different flavors of wingnuts. There are a whole variety of “Jesus freak” sects, there are tea baggers, there are militia groups, there are people still fighting the Civil War, and there are those who want to secede from the U.S. and set up their own country. There’s no end to the various types of crazies who have come out of the woodworks. They have been there for years, even throughout Bush’s reign of terror. But Obama being in the White House has brought them out into the open.

These people are not a majority or even close to a majority. But as any military professional can tell you, an organized, well motivated minority can defeat tremendously overwhelming odds. And history has proven this to be true many times.

So what do these people want? It depends on which group you’re looking at. Some want to convert this country into some kind of Christian Utopia. Others are trying to bring on the Apocalypse. There are still rednecks around who thought slavery was a terrific idea. And the more militant nuts have something much deadlier in mind.

It goes without saying that if any of these groups attain power, they will get rid of their rival wingnut groups, as soon as they’re through “converting,” “reeducating,” or just plain getting rid of the rest of us. Nothing new here. It’s been going on for thousands of years.

And in the meantime, what are we, or especially the Justice Department, doing about it? As far as I can see, not much. We’ve got crazies like Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Bachmann, and many others, in and out of government, encouraging the lunatic fringe and cheering them on.

I don’t know who said “Democracy is not a suicide pact.” But at this moment in time, I really need to be convinced of that. And I really think we have to start taking these crazies seriously, no matter how far out they may seem. They have their agendas and they are well geared up to implement them. We have whatever is left in our faith in government, which isn’t a lot.

So let’s hear your opinion. And just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t really after us.

Commie Pinko Dirtbag  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 04:59 PM
Response to Original message
 
2. Crazy people flailing around don't have goals. They have urges. 

Contradictory, absurd, incomprehensible urges.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 05:00 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #2

4. We underestimate them at our own peril.

Bobbieo (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 05:05 PM
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10. A military takeover seems to be the most logical and how do we stop it?

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 05:24 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #10

25. Corporations own our military to the same degree they own our politicians.

The only hope of putting a stop to a military takeover is the military itself. Many would never go along with a military takeover of our country and we could end up seeing the greatest mutiny in the history of the world.

And I believe that's one of the reasons the Bush administration started using mercenaries like Blackwater (renamed today as XE). Mercenaries are interested in paychecks, not loyalties. I'm sure that when Bush (actually Cheney) started this mercenary madness, the main thing in his mind was financial profit for himself and his friends. But the fact that a mercenary army will do as they are told, is something that I'm sure occured to him.

Man, Oscar's wildely paranoid.  Almost as bad as Pedro Picasso.

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 05:17 PM
THE DEFROCKED WARPED PRIMITIVE, #09 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
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24. "LOOK AT MEEEEE!"

I think that sums it up for most of them.

However, these are people who are smart enough to realize they've been getting a raw deal for a very long time but not smart enough to figure out why. That makes them perfect suckers for a bunch of admen in the Republican Party.

[shadeaux]

The Velveteen Ocelot  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 05:02 PM

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6. I'm not sure many of them even know what they want.
 
 They just know what they hate.

I think some of them think they want a society that never existed anywhere, sort of a Norman Rockwell painting kind of place where everybody is white, straight, well-off in a nice, homey way; nobody questions authority or is "too intellectual"; everybody salutes the flag and goes to church on Sunday; and the women stay home with the kids. Like a 1950s TV show. 

Hey, I have and had most of that !

I do believe jealousy is rearing her ugly face right there.   

[BEG]

The Velveteen Ocelot  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 05:02 PM

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6. I'm not sure many of them even know what they want.
 
 They just know what they hate.

I think some of them think they want a society that never existed anywhere, sort of a Norman Rockwell painting kind of place where everybody is white, straight, well-off in a nice, homey way; nobody questions authority or is "too intellectual"; everybody salutes the flag and goes to church on Sunday; and the women stay home with the kids. Like a 1950s TV show.

Du'ers want a fictional socialist country that works. Where everyone earns the same amount for disproportionate amount of effort.   Where they can choose to be an "artist" and do Piss Christ "art" all day and still be able to support themselves.  Where they can choose to sit on their ass all day rather than work their ass of yet still make the same amount as the person who actually works.  Who is the crazy one?

[thundley4]

Commie Pinko Dirtbag  (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 04:59 PM
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2. Crazy people flailing around don't have goals. They have urges. 

Contradictory, absurd, incomprehensible urges.

That describes the "big tent" of the DemonRat party to a tee. That is why , even with majorities in both houses and in the Whore White House , they could still not come to a consensus on HCR.

[GOBUCKS]

Bobbieo (1000+ posts)        Thu Mar-18-10 05:05 PM
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10. A military takeover seems to be the most logical and how do we stop it?

That's easy. Bumper stickers and an internet petition.

[ChuckJ]

That's easy. Bumper stickers and an internet petition.

Or pictures of hands. Or banging pots and pans together. Or send in Blackie the Ghost Chicken and the spirit panthers from panther mountain. Or if all else fails just request that it be delayed for 24 business hours.

[USA4ME]

The Commie Pinko Dirtbag primitive is one of the oddest primitives there.  He's in Brazil, yet he's all concerned about USA politics.  Brazil is an oligarchy, has been for a long time, and isn't going to change anytime soon.  Even the "evil Republicans" are better than the oligarchy in Brazil.  If anything, you'd think he'd be concerned about all the dirt poor who live in shantytowns all over Brazil and would be busy finding solutions.  This is what he has in his back yard ....



... that he could be trying to do something about.  But no, he's got to be a freak on Skin's island.

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[GOBUCKS]

The Commie Pinko Dirtbag primitive is one of the oddest primitives there.  He's in Brazil, yet he's all concerned about USA politics.  Brazil is an oligarchy, has been for a long time, and isn't going to change anytime soon.  Even the "evil Republicans" are better than the oligarchy in Brazil.  If anything, you'd think he'd be concerned about all the dirt poor who live in shantytowns all over Brazil and would be busy finding solutions.  This is what he has in his back yard ....



... that he could be trying to do something about.  But no, he's got to be a freak on Skin's island.

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That photo is probably from Rio. The Sao Paulo favelas I've seen aren't as steep, but I sure haven't seen them all. The residents are licking their chops in anticipation of all the people with wristwatches, and iPods, and wallets who will be coming for the Olympics, in the stupidest decision ever made by an international body. But this looks more like South American middle class housing. You can see sloped roofs and windows. And in the real favelas, including many examples in Yugo's Venezuela, the downhill huts are literally covered by trash from their uphill neighbors. The only recycling they do is with the junk they use to build their huts.

[The Village Idiot]

Those exist in countries all over, usually commie and oligarchical countries.

Free trade and less government actually seems to help prevent societal decay.