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Offline Aaron Burr

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Lets just secure a couple of those LLC names first. We can worry about suing the pants off each other later.

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Yes it does.  That shouldn't be done without a lot of thought being put into it first.

I guess doing the minutes would be easy if the meeting is in a message forum.

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Yes it does.  That shouldn't be done without a lot of thought being put into it first.

Should we move this conversation into private and delete all these posts.  :naughty:

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No. Let the lefties gnash their teeth and wail.

I've secured Mrs. Burrs blessing on this endeavor.

Time to pony up people.

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Oh. And as for money making schemes, I was thinking of some sort of puppy euthanasia mobile factory. Whatever makes the most eyeballs explode.

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Oh. And as for money making schemes, I was thinking of some sort of puppy euthanasia mobile factory. Whatever makes the most eyeballs explode.

All right. The paperwork is pretty simple and I'll pay the 90 bucks just for fun.

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So for the time being, we just want the name?

At this point, basically.  Now, if people don't mind a little extra cost up-front, we could simply formally reserve the names for 120 days for a $75 dollar fee per name.  We're basically looking at 2 names, "Air America, Inc." and "Air America, LLC" so, to act as expeditiously as possible, we could get a reservation hold on those two names for 120 days for a cost of $150.

Of course, that $150 is gone once the reservation runs out, and it cannot be used as a credit against any other fees, like a formation fee.  It would, however, simplify the logistics of grabbing the names before anyone else can, and then giving some leisure to work out the formation matters - or even to find buyers willing to pay good money to obtain the rights to the names.

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At this point, basically.  Now, if people don't mind a little extra cost up-front, we could simply formally reserve the names for 120 days for a $75 dollar fee per name.  We're basically looking at 2 names, "Air America, Inc." and "Air America, LLC" so, to act as expeditiously as possible, we could get a reservation hold on those two names for 120 days for a cost of $150.

Of course, that $150 is gone once the reservation runs out, and it cannot be used as a credit against any other fees, like a formation fee.  It would, however, simplify the logistics of grabbing the names before anyone else can, and then giving some leisure to work out the formation matters - or even to find buyers willing to pay good money to obtain the rights to the names.

but for 90 bucks a name we have them for a year?


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Ace of Spades headline:

Air America Off The Air - Actually Almost Nobody Hardest Hit

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but for 90 bucks a name we have them for a year?



For $90 bucks you have them until you get so far behind in your franchise taxes that the secretary of state files a delinquency dissolution against you, and even then, if you can show equity, you can still get the name back (provided you pay off the taxes).

So, in terms of bang for the buck, it is much better to just file the skeleton formation papers rather than paying to reserve the name only.

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Sweet mother of Kiley Minougue, don't you guys think Rush or some other talking head would spend some dough to have these names? Let's just get them first.

Again. I have a pen in my hand, hovering over a checkbook. $100 to start. Between us this shouldn't be a problem.

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I don't have a dime. lol. But I do have a story posted at Libertyfic you apparently haven't read yet, Aaron Burr.  :whatever:

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Black the whites of my eyes! Where the Hell is my coffee, intern?

Gentlemen, time is fuggin' money. I have the utmost confidence in Oceander and Specbid (as long as the race track isn't on the way to the SOS office). Everything else is secondary. We need to act as expeditiously as possible on this matter. I desire those corporate names for the wall of my den or office.

It's also a great money making scheme.

I'm feeling reckless, I advise you all to take advantage of this condition for as long as it lasts.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 08:16:28 PM by Aaron Burr »

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Ok.  If we're going to get them, and do it by forming them, then we need to have the following squared away:

(i) we have a member who can walk in to the division of corporations to hand file the formation documents, correct?

If (i) is true, then that member will be the so-called "incorporator" for the corporation and the so-called "Authorized Person" for the LLC and will be signing their real name to the formation documents.  Make sure you're ok with your name being on the documents in the Secretary of State's records.  It won't lead to anything because for the most part everyone knows that the incorporator is nothing more than an agent - like a paralegal - acting for an undisclosed principal.  Also, once the shareholders purchase their shares (usually for no more than the par value, here $0.01 per share), and the directors are appointed, the incorporator's obligations and responsibilities fall away and no liability attaches.  If you have any concerns about that, please ask me.

(ii) we have a member who is willing/able to act as the registered agent, correct?

If (ii) is true, then that member needs to provide his name and the Delaware address he will be using to act as registered agent to the member in (i) who will be filing the papers, so that the name and address can be filled in on the formation form at the offices of the division of corporations.

(iii) we will form two entities, (A) the first, a corporation, will be named "Air America, Inc." (that exact spelling), will be authorized to issue up to 1,000 shares of common stock, with a par value of $0.01 per share (that will ensure that the filing fee isn't jacked up by the implied capitalization of the corporation), and will have a registered office and registered agent at the address specified by the member in (ii) above, and using that member's name; and (B) the second, a limited liability company, will be named "Air America, LLC" (that exact spelling), and will have a registered office and a registered agent at the address provided by the local member in (ii) above, using that member's real name.

The two formation documents, which can be downloaded, filled out, and printed and executed beforehand, can be downloaded here:

(x) Stock Corporation, and
(y) Limited Liability Company

These should be downloaded, filled in, printed, and executed by the member in (i) above who is going to do the actual filing.  That member will also have to be ready to pony up the filing fees of $179, and would then be reimbursed by the rest of us for each of our pro-rata shares of those costs.

Once that is done, and the stamped copy of the filed document is returned to the member in (i) above who acts as the incorporator/authorized person, the entities belong to us, and we can then work out the details with a little bit of leisure.

Keep in mind, until shares of stock in the corporation are issued to a shareholder for the corporation, or a valid, binding Operating Agreement is executed by the single member of the LLC, the incorporator/authorized person will technically be the only person with the authority to cause the entities to do anything, and so they will belong to him until such time as we work everything out.

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I don't have a dime. lol. But I do have a story posted at Libertyfic you apparently haven't read yet, Aaron Burr.  :whatever:

I don't have a lot, but I can chip in 1/3 or 1/4 of the formation costs of $179 (at thirds, that would be $59.67 ~ $60 per person, and at fourths would be $44.75 ~ $45 per person).

Any questions anyone?

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One question. What address do I send my $100 to? P.M. me before the power goes out here. This winter storm is a whicked pissah.

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One question. What address do I send my $100 to? P.M. me before the power goes out here. This winter storm is a whicked pissah.

Should go to Specbid.  We should probably all go "private" on this one, now.

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Done.

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I don't have a lot, but I can chip in 1/3 or 1/4 of the formation costs of $179 (at thirds, that would be $59.67 ~ $60 per person, and at fourths would be $44.75 ~ $45 per person).

Any questions anyone?

Are you assuming the corporate name is going to lapse? All of this seems to be based on them being too stupid to retain the name as an asset to sale.

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Damn AB, you didn't tell me there'd be work involved with this.  I was informed of a plot to annoy liberals and I want in.  Burr can vouch for me, and if not he'll feel the wrath of my pack of rabid, striped alpacas. 

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I don't have a lot, but I can chip in 1/3 or 1/4 of the formation costs of $179 (at thirds, that would be $59.67 ~ $60 per person, and at fourths would be $44.75 ~ $45 per person).

Any questions anyone?

Yes - where do I send the PayPal?  :evillaugh:

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Are you assuming the corporate name is going to lapse? All of this seems to be based on them being too stupid to retain the name as an asset to sale.

The names are available in Delaware as far as I can tell.  The Delaware SoS'es website has a name-check function that allows you to check to see if a name for a particular type of entity is available - they coyly say that there's no guarantee that it will still be available when you file your actual papers, but I have never had, or heard of anyone having, a name show as available on that website and then end up not being available if the papers were filed quickly enough.

So, whatever names the bankruptcy estate has, they do not include the Delaware corporate name of "Air America, Inc." or the Delaware LLC name of "Air America, LLC"

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Yes - where do I send the PayPal?  :evillaugh:

As soon as we get a mailing address from Specbid, all monies should go to Specbid.  When I get the address I'll include you in the private message cc: sending it around to everyone.

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The names are available in Delaware as far as I can tell.  The Delaware SoS'es website has a name-check function that allows you to check to see if a name for a particular type of entity is available - they coyly say that there's no guarantee that it will still be available when you file your actual papers, but I have never had, or heard of anyone having, a name show as available on that website and then end up not being available if the papers were filed quickly enough.

So, whatever names the bankruptcy estate has, they do not include the Delaware corporate name of "Air America, Inc." or the Delaware LLC name of "Air America, LLC"

Interesting...

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MN SOS site:

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Entity Type ID  City  State  Cross Reference  
49844 Air Alliance  ANI  Mpls  MN    
5X-785 Air Alliance Express, Inc.  DCI  Blmgtn  MN    
983573-2 Air America Heating & Cooling, Inc.  DC  Blaine  MN    
2A-152 Air America, Inc.  DCI  Hopkins  MN    
8D-835 Air America, Inc.  DCI  Champlin  MN    
1166655-4 Air America Minnesota  AN  Eden Prair  MN    
3164404-2 Air America Refrigeration  AN  Buffalo  MN    
3164422-2 Air America Refrigeration, LLC  LLC  Buffalo  MN    

My Mom lives in Champlin... She better not...