Do DUers really care about people as they claim?

[kenth]

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JamesA1102  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 11:54 AM
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Do DUers really care about people as they claim?
   
I'm beginning to think not. To me, having compassion about human suffering is the cornerstone of being a liberal or progressive or what ever you wish to call it.

However, this morning when it was announced that President Obama had reached out to George W. Bush to help raise money for relief efforts in Haiti, many DUers, not all, went into a partisan rage. Instead of seeing it as an effort to help the Haitian people on a non-partisan level, united as American, and thus maximizing contributions to help Haiti; President Obama and his action was denounced.

For months now many here have been pounding their chests in self-rightous indignation about Healthcare, Afganistan, Card Check, DADT, etc. saying it was because they cared about the plight of other human beings. If that were true then why all the partisan ranor? To me, people who really cared about relieving human suffering wouldn't do this. They would applaud such efforts regardless of from where they came.

Now everyone here has denounced the vile comments made by Rush and Pat Robertson yesterday and rightfully so. But many of the comments here denouncing President Obama and his effort to use Bush to raise money for relief efforts have been equally vile. It seems to me that many really don't care about others as they claim but have just picked a side and now refuse to see past their ideological blinders & hatreds. For them it is not about helping or having compassion for other people but about proving that they are right.

Now I know that this post will be unrecced to death and I'll be called a corportist, DLC shill, an idiot and other nasty names. But I would hope that some out their would understand my point and just not rationalize their response as upholding principle. For me, when it comes to helping people, that is the highest principle anyone can uphold.

EFerrari  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jan-14-10 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #84
140. Junior doesn't raise money. He just channels it to BushCo cronies. Get real.

Kurt_and_Hunter  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Thu Jan-14-10 12:01 PM
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8. You make two baseless assumptions
   
1. Bush will result or more or better aid. Unproven. Pugs and Dems both have little use for him and international folks despise him. I don't see it as automatic that he's a net positive.

2. If he is a net positive, you assume that in itself offsets the downside for human beings everywhere from mainstreaming/legitimizing war criminal torturer types.

treestar  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Thu Jan-14-10 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. I wasn't saying he was a good guy, or even to most Americans he
   
may not be a good guy, but to most Americans, he's probably not a "war criminal."

I despise him yet don't criticize Obama for this. I think Obama is just treating him as a former president, a position Bush does in fact hold.

EFerrari  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 12:07 PM
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19. Reaching out to war criminals isn't non-partisanship.
   
It's putting lipstick on an international terrorist.

That's pretty much it, back and forth, infighting about Bush raising money, making it political. Poor stupid Beth ends up doing most of the heavy lifting.

[franksolich]

Poor stupid Beth ends up doing most of the heavy lifting.

Yeah.

And so stupidly.

[BadCat]

Yeah.

And so stupidly.

We expect nothing more from her.

[BEG]

The OP makes so much sense he must be a mole.  They are so righteous with their fake indignation it is sickening.  

[USA4ME]

JamesA1102  

Do DUers really care about people as they claim?

No.  They never have and they never will.

Hate and anger?  Now there's two emotions they have in abundance.

Next.

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[jukin]

It's been my experience that when very selfish people say they care about others there is much more in it for them than the others.  The DUmp is the exclamation point of that observation.

[Carl]

There hatred comes straight from Satan.

[AllosaursRus]

I'm glad I haven't read the BS they spout about the "Big O" recruiting W to raise money. Only a complete asshole would criticize someone for trying increase a charity's coffers!

Hey DUmbasses, ya ever think it might help Repubs open their purses to enhance O Bummer's efforts? Naw, I should know better than to think y'all had half a frikkin' brain!

[Randy]

The question in the title can be truthfully answered in a couple of days. By the end of the weekend we'll know without a doubt because there will be a marked decrease in activity at the ole DUmp.

Since a huge portion of the DUmmies are unemployed then they will all be overcome with compassion and they will all run out to volunteer to go to Hati with the relief groups to help the poor Hatians. The employed ones will be taking leave and vacation time to fly off to help also.

By midweek next week $kimmer will be pretty much talking to himself and Earl due to everyone and their bleeding hearts running off to help.

You know this'll happen right?


Right?




 

[miskie]

Do they care ? only insofar as they benefit from doing so - Otherwise the answer is no.

[dandi]

They would rather see a certain number of Haitians die than have it demonstrated that Bush could be a force for good in helping to save them.

Sad and sick but there it is.

[thundley4]

This was the thread that I brought this quote over, from.

stray cat   (1000+ posts)         Thu Jan-14-10 11:54 AM
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1. Some do - many don't
   
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 11:55 AM by stray cat
its easy to care about people who think like us and as long as someone else helps them. We yell for government to help but I think conservative donate more personally to help

I thought it was worthy of being in the Posts That Stand Alone, just for it's truthfulness.

[The Village Idiot]

stray cat asked for granite.

Beth is still insane.

If Bush were really an international terrorist the left would love him.

[BEG]

stray cat asked for granite.

Beth is still insane.

If Bush were really an international terrorist the left would love him.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. 

[The Village Idiot]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. 

As long as I don't win Scott Ritter-Kevin Jennings "action" figures

[Duke Nukum]

Actually, I thought this was the one, perhaps only, good thing Obama has done in the year since he has taken office.

[kenth]

As long as I don't win Scott Ritter-Kevin Jennings "action" figures

With the Kung Fu Grip?

[Reality vs DU]

It's been my experience that when very selfish people say they care about others there is much more in it for them than the others.  The DUmp is the exclamation point of that observation.

Don't post much but I like to give credit where credit is due.

Well said jukin

[The Village Idiot]

With the Kung Fu Grip?

with a fisting kit

[BlueStateSaint]

with a fisting kit

Put together by Ben Burch, right?

[Karin]

I'm going to take it a step farther.  A certain faction of the left are eugenicists and ZPG fanatics, such as Obama's own good buddy czar John Holdren.  Deep down, I suspect they are sensing a feeling of glee at the plight of the horror of Haiti. 
They believe that poor people are better off dead, and society as a whole is better off without them.  They used to come right out and say it, i.e. M. Sanger saying "poor people should kill their babies." 

The original proponents of the banning of DDT, which prevented millions of Malarial deaths, were warned about the unintended consequences.  "So be it," they said.  (National Review, The Four Horsemen of Progressivism). 

[Specbid]

with a fisting kit

Does that come with it's own web cam and undercover cop?

[The Village Idiot]

Does that come with it's own web cam and undercover cop?

[TheSarge]

JamesA1102  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-14-10 11:54 AM
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Do DUers really care about people as they claim?

No.

[BlueStateSaint]

No.

Tx, Tx, Tx . . . you're slipping.  You forgot this:

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