Oliver Stone's New Showtime Miniseries Will Put Hitler "In Context"

[bijou]

Also says conservatives will hate the film because he's going to "liberalize" our minds on Hitler and Stalin....

Director Oliver Stone's upcoming Showtime documentary miniseries "Secret History of America" promises to put mass murderers such as Stalin and Hitler "in context."

"Stalin, Hitler, Mao, McCarthy -- these are people who have been vilified pretty thoroughly by history," Stone told reporters at the Television Critics Association's semi-annual press tour in Pasadena. ...

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[Chris]

People still watch Showtime?  Talk about irrelevant, Stone can't even get onto HBO.

[DumbAss Tanker]

While it's true that the media, and even historians, love turning every figure into an evil (Or less commonly divine) cardboard cutout, it's difficult to see what the Hell else there is left to say about Hitler at this point.

[TheSarge]

While it's true that the media, and even historians, love turning every figure into an evil (Or less commonly divine) cardboard cutout, it's difficult to see what the Hell else there is left to say about Hitler at this point.

This nutjob seems to think there is a LOT more to say about them:

"Stalin has a complete other story," Stone said. "Not to paint him as a hero, but to tell a more factual representation. He fought the German war machine more than any single person. We can't judge people as only 'bad' or 'good.' Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and its been used cheaply. He's the product of a series of actions. It's cause and effect ... People in America don't know the connection between WWI and WWII ... I've been able to walk in Stalin's shoes and Hitler's shoes to understand their point of view. We're going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions ... Go into the funding of the Nazi party. How many American corporations were involved, from GM through IBM. Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated."

 The guy has truly lost it.

ETA: A re-writing of history like this is a visual wet dream to the DUmp.  I can see it now.

[Odin's Hand]

Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated.

Talk about talking out of your ass. I guess those 42 assassination attempts on the man were TOO easy.

[formerlurker]

He specifically mentions conservatives as he is hoping they make a stink about the movie to get it press.

Next.

[DumbAss Tanker]

A LOT of people in post-WWI Germany and the Weimar Republic thought Hitler was 'just a guy,' afigurehead whom they could move about the gameboard and replace if he got too big for his britches.  Most of them ended up dead, a couple became loyal underlings who had learned their place.  Stone is an idiot. 

[DefiantSix]

Sorry Ollie, that flick has already been made:



Two-bit, no-talent hack...

[Mustang]

Oliver Stone's films never rise above mediocre in my eyes. And most of them are just God-awful.

There's always a shallowness to his style that can get quite annoying. Easily one of the most overrated directors of all time.

[Thor]

Don't take this wrong, but Hitler was a dynamic leader. While he was on the side of evil, he was able to pull together a country that was falling apart. Just imagine if the US had a leader as strong as Hitler, but on the side of righteousness???

[Splashdown]

Once again, Stone misses the boat.


Cinema geniuses already gave the dictators their due.

[DefiantSix]

Don't take this wrong, but Hitler was a dynamic leader. While he was on the side of evil, he was able to pull together a country that was falling apart. Just imagine if the US had a leader as strong as Hitler, but on the side of righteousness???

Thor, Woodrow Wilson was, during his administration, everything Hitler wanted to be when he came to power.  He had about 250,000 american citizens jailed without charges, trials or counsel for daring to question his authority.  He had an army of thugs breaking up protests, town hall meetings and other points of what the Founders would have considered "free assembly".  He had a bureaucracy who's sole purpose was to strong-arm and browbeat the news papers and entertainment industries into publishing only material supportive of administration policies.  Hell, the institution of racial segregation in the military didn't become War Department policy until the racist bastard Wilson ordered it, so he can't even claim that Hitler was a racist and he wasn't.

Point is, we've already had that kind of strong, dynamic leader here in America, and the history books still largely gloss over the attrocities he committed during his tenure.  We sure as shit don't need another one.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Thor, Woodrow Wilson was, during his administration, everything Hitler wanted to be when he came to power.  He had about 250,000 american citizens jailed without charges, trials or counsel for daring to question his authority.  He had an army of thugs breaking up protests, town hall meetings and other points of what the Founders would have considered "free assembly".  He had a bureaucracy who's sole purpose was to strong-arm and browbeat the news papers and entertainment industries into publishing only material supportive of administration policies.  Hell, the institution of racial segregation in the military didn't become War Department policy until the racist bastard Wilson ordered it, so he can't even claim that Hitler was a racist and he wasn't.

Point is, we've already had that kind of strong, dynamic leader here in America, and the history books still largely gloss over the attrocities he committed during his tenure.  We sure as shit don't need another one.

Exactly.  "Strong, dynamic leadership" has a huge downside, if you find yourself not being totally on board with any part of The Leader's program.

[Ptarmigan]

A LOT of people in post-WWI Germany and the Weimar Republic thought Hitler was 'just a guy,' afigurehead whom they could move about the gameboard and replace if he got too big for his britches.  Most of them ended up dead, a couple became loyal underlings who had learned their place.  Stone is an idiot. 

They saw Hitler as a messiah because of hyperinflation due to money being printed for reparations imposed by the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression.They desperate for change and a better life.

[Ptarmigan]

This nutjob seems to think there is a LOT more to say about them:
 
  The guy has truly lost it.

ETA: A re-writing of history like this is a visual wet dream to the DUmp.  I can see it now.

Before America entered World War II, it was legal for American business to do business with the Third Reich.

[txted]

Before America entered World War II, it was legal for American business to do business with the Third Reich.

Being legally acceptable doesn't make it morally acceptable. Our government right now is doing things they claim are legally right, but I believe are morally wrong.

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[The Village Idiot]

Before America entered World War II, it was legal for American business to do business with the Third Reich.

I bet a lot of those corporate assets were nationalized too

[Ptarmigan]

Being legally acceptable doesn't make it morally acceptable. Our government right now is doing things they claim are legally right, but I believe are morally wrong.

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Of course that is true.

[formerlurker]

Sorry Ollie, that flick has already been made:



Two-bit, no-talent hack...

 

[DumbAss Tanker]

They saw Hitler as a messiah because of hyperinflation due to money being printed for reparations imposed by the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression.They desperate for change and a better life.

I'm not talking about his popular appeal to the working class and lower middle class, I'm talking about the way he was viewed by the intelligentsia and other political players who supported him.  They all thought they were smarter than he was but they learned otherwise at very great cost to themselves.

[Ptarmigan]

I'm not talking about his popular appeal to the working class and lower middle class, I'm talking about the way he was viewed by the intelligentsia and other political players who supported him.  They all thought they were smarter than he was but they learned otherwise at very great cost to themselves.

Sounded like you were, so I interpreted that way. It is appalling that the intelligentsia likes to hold evil dictators to a high standard.

[mamacags]

Look at the morons who are proud to call themselves Stalinists or Marxist these days.  Every single one I have encountered thinks themselves to be geniuses.

[TheSarge]

Before America entered World War II, it was legal for American business to do business with the Third Reich.

I know.  And we even had an Ambassador to England that thought there was nothing wrong with Hitler or what he was doing.

[ColonialMarine0431]

Oliver Stone teaching history is about as laughable as a hooker advocating celibacy.

[Splashdown]

Oliver Stone teaching history is about as laughable as a hooker advocating celibacy.

That was awesome!