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Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« on: December 26, 2009, 09:45:22 PM »
Obama has assumed sole ownership of the fannie/Freddie meltdown:

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The Obama administration's decision to cover an unlimited amount of losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.

The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.

Unlimited access to bailout funds through 2012 was "necessary for preserving the continued strength and stability of the mortgage market," the Treasury said. Fannie and Freddie purchase or guarantee most U.S. home mortgages and have run up huge losses stemming from the worst wave of defaults since the 1930s.

Of course the WH oesn't want you to know they took ownership:

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"The timing of this executive order giving Fannie and Freddie a blank check is no coincidence," said Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee. He said the Christmas Eve announcement was designed "to prevent the general public from taking note."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126168307200704747.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

Now, the fact that Obama has decided to underwrite $6 trillion worth of mortgages that are by definition risking with OUR checkbook is infuriating. That he did it by executive order over the heads of the legislator is risible and making the move on the holiday weekend to avoid scutiny is cowardly but then there is this interesting nugget:

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December 23, 2009

Attorney General of the United States of America
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

Dear Attorney General Holder:

We write to demand an immediate investigation into the activities of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. We believe there is an abundant public record which establishes that the actions of the White House have blocked any investigation into his activities while on the board of Freddie Mac from 2000-2001, and facilitated the cover up of potential malfeasance until the 10-year statute of limitations has run out.

The purpose of this letter is to connect the dots to establish both the conduct of Mr. Emanuel and those working with him to thwart inquiry, and to support your acting speedily so that the statute of limitations does not run out before the Justice Department is able to empanel a grand jury.

The New York Times reports that the administration is negotiating to double the commitments to Fannie and Freddie for a total of $800 billion by December 31, in order to avoid the congressional approval that would be needed after that date. But there currently is no Inspector General exercising independent oversight of these entities. Acting Inspector General Ed Kelly was stripped of his authority earlier this year by the Justice Department, relying on a loophole in a bill Mr. Emanuel cosponsored and pushed through Congress shortly before he left for the White House. This effectively ended Mr. Kelly’s investigation into what happened at Fannie and Freddie.

Since that time, despite multiple warnings by Congress that having no independent Inspector General for a federal agency that oversees $6 trillion in mortgages is a serious oversight, the White House has not appointed one.

We recognize that these are extremely serious accusations, but the stonewalling by Mr. Emanuel and the White House has left us with no other redress.

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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2009, 09:48:36 PM »
Nice, very nice.  Effing Democrats - each time they do something, we get closer and closer and closer to loosing Jefferson's liberty tree watering-can:


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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2009, 09:57:46 PM »
I read something interesting about mortgage defaults today.  18% or so are walkaways, people that can afford their payments, but they've decided that the house is no longer a good investment.  Lord Zero and the Dems are doing everything they can to punish banks and credit card companies, maybe they need to do something to protect the mortgage lenders from these scam artists.

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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 10:01:09 PM »
I read something interesting about mortgage defaults today.  18% or so are walkaways, people that can afford their payments, but they've decided that the house is no longer a good investment.  Lord Zero and the Dems are doing everything they can to punish banks and credit card companies, maybe they need to do something to protect the mortgage lenders from these scam artists.

Won't happen - those walk-aways are all Democratic voters - the pansy-assed liberal doctors and lawyers and professors who all have their own real homes, and decided it would be a lark to try and be the next Donald Trump by becoming a real-estate investor - remember all of those late-night infomercials they used to run about how to become a millionaire in real estate with no money down?  We're now seeing the consequences of that.

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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2009, 10:16:18 PM »
Won't happen - those walk-aways are all Democratic voters - the pansy-assed liberal doctors and lawyers and professors who all have their own real homes, and decided it would be a lark to try and be the next Donald Trump by becoming a real-estate investor - remember all of those late-night infomercials they used to run about how to become a millionaire in real estate with no money down?  We're now seeing the consequences of that.

Not necessarily. Many are walking away from their primary homes, but buying smaller or at least cheaper houses before they default on their current mortgages.

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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 10:21:58 PM »
Won't happen - those walk-aways are all Democratic voters - the pansy-assed liberal doctors and lawyers and professors who all have their own real homes, and decided it would be a lark to try and be the next Donald Trump by becoming a real-estate investor - remember all of those late-night infomercials they used to run about how to become a millionaire in real estate with no money down?  We're now seeing the consequences of that.

To say they are all Democratic voters is just stupid.

Nor is it the late-night infomercials on buying property the reason.

I'm not sure how it was determined that 18% are walkaways who CAN afford their payments.

What is actually happening is that people are walking away....BEFORE they are foreclosed on. They have tried to work deals with their banks....who for the most part - contrary to what the media is saying -  ARE NOT WILLING to work with the homeowner.

There is a very good reason the banks aren't working with people.

For every house a bank/mortgage company takes back....they are able to take a LOSS on the company's income tax.

I know of a particular instance where the homeowner was trying to work with their lender. The lender sent them "hardship application". The homeowner filled it out, sent it back immediately. Homeowner didn't know the bank foreclosed on them until I knocked on their door. By comparing dates....the bank had foreclosed on the house PRIOR to the homeowner every receiving the papers for hardship application.

The homeowner was not asking for a reduction in price....only for the late fees to be tacked onto the end of the loan.

The guy has a decent job, same company for 30 years. He was late on 2 payments TWO YEARS ago, when he and his wife divorced and he was waiting for her to quit claim the house to him.

Right now, the house is listed at $20,000 LESS than the bank had it for on the courthouse steps, which is $20,000 LESS than the guy bought the house for!!!

Right now...if it sold at list price....the bank would be able to take a $40,000 write-off loss on this one property!!

Do the math!

Why should a bank work with someone when it's to the bank/mortgage company's benefit to take the loss on federal taxes?

I have worked with investors for going on 10 years...and I have never understood how those real estate infomercial come-on's work. Several years ago, an investor was allowed to finance 10 investment properties, then it went down to 7. All used to require 10% down, now 20% is required.  
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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 10:23:56 PM »
So what do you guys think of Emmanuel's dirty deals and Hamsher's call for his head on a pike?
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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 10:25:18 PM »
So what do you guys think of Emmanuel's dirty deals and Hamsher's call for his head on a pike?

Emmanuel is dirty....and Hamsher can call for his head on a pike all he wants...but it ain't gonna happen.

Emmanuel is way too close to Obama...
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 10:44:56 PM »
Emmanuel is dirty....and Hamsher can call for his head on a pike all he wants...but it ain't gonna happen.

Emmanuel is way too close to Obama...
Ah yes, but even if people can't remember the outrage they remember being outraged and liberals are--if nothing else--emotionally driven.

This only chips away at Obama's base and subsequently weakens him. Dog in Heaven, Obama is handing us (not the GOP, but conservatives) the congress in 2010 and 2012 and with this level of corruption he will neuter liberalism well before then.
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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2009, 10:51:51 PM »
Emmanuel is dirty....and Hamsher can call for his head on a pike all he wants...but it ain't gonna happen.

Emmanuel is way too close to Obama...

What she said.  Rahm is Lord Zeros Rove but with the Magnificent Rove subtle finessing.

Deb, I was wrong, it was 16 or 17%.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121907594&surl=http://www.mpbn.net/&f=module-nprnews

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Here are the numbers: Oliver Wyman, a consulting firm to financial institutions, working with credit raters Experian estimate that 16 percent of today’s foreclosures are “strategic,” where borrowers keep paying their other debts, and selectively stiff the bank. That’s up from three percent five years ago. At Northwestern University, scholars estimate that one in four foreclosures is by choice.

And the walkaways are concentrated in a few states: California, Arizona, Nevada, Florida and Hawaii.
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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2009, 01:44:13 PM »
Deb, I was wrong, it was 16 or 17%.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121907594&surl=http://www.mpbn.net/&f=module-nprnews
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Housing costs have been vastly inflated for years.

The 2004 hurricane season was actually one of the main causes, then the 2005 season increased them even more. All the fires and floods in California contributed to rising costs on the West Coast.

The reason for this is because there were so many incredibly destructive hurricanes...housing materials skyrocketed.

At that time ...I was the primary list agent for a condo complex. During the 2004 season, materials became scarce so the costs increased. They did not go down when supplies increased.

Because of the increase of materials for new housing...resale pricing also increased because the market allowed it. Banks were lending "easy" money, low interest rates were still in effect and there were lots of buyers.

Then the 2005 hurricane season hit. Katrina, Rita, and Wilma hit all between July and early October. Then there were wicked floods in the NE, particularly in upstate NY.

At that time....the contractor on the site I was on...was only able to get material costs quoted for maximum 2 week periods. I'm talking roofing, lumber, plumbing materials....basic stuff. Housing costs for new construction continued to rise, and again the market never "righted" itself.

Banks were still lending at low interest rate...houses that had been one price in 2001-2003, early 2004 ...were now double and triple what they had been when purchased whether they were new or resales.

Contractors were increasing their building through the Carolinas, TN, up-state Georgia...for all those people leaving the Florida/MS/LA coastline. Nevada and Arizona were building for those escaping California fires and mudslides.

The people were migrating....only to find that the houses they left in those formerly "idyllic" spots ....wouldn't sell!!

They were in new - expensive....but hey, they cost less than the houses they left so why not have an extra mortgage for a month or two?

So...the homeowners in those states...kept lowering the prices of their homes. and lowering....and lowering.

Suddenly .... all those houses on the market, not only didn't have buyers for them....they were no longer even "worth" what they had been purchased for only a couple of years previously. This started to ripple throughout the country.

The mortgage crisis was the result and hit with a harsh "twack" between the eyes in October 2008.

Since then...houses have been steadily losing value throughout most of the country. Ironically....if said house burned to the ground...to replace it would be much more than the house could possibly sell for....because the materials costs have not decreased at the same, if any, rate.

There are people who have walked away from their mortgages....who are already into other houses.

But those who walk away....and do not have another house with a loan already in place....CANNOT get a new mortgage and won't be able to for many many years.

The only thing worse on a credit report than failing to pay a mortgage is failing to pay child support. Neither one will ever go away.

Many of those who walk away....flat out don't have a choice. They cannot sell their houses...because their mortgage note is much higher than what they can currently sell the house for, and they don't have any money to bring to the closing table in order to get out of the house. They will go rent some place BEFORE their credit report is trashed from failing to pay the mortgage, because if they wait until they are foreclosed....they will have a horrendous time trying to find someone who will rent to them with a mortgage failure on their credit report.

It's a vicious...vicious cycle that many people are caught up in.

They QUALIFIED to purchase these homes....at the price they paid for them....but due to many diverse circumstances ...they can no longer afford them....nor can they sell them and get the price they paid a couple of years ago....and the circle continues.

Until the banks/mortgage companies wake up and realize that in order to save the housing market...they are first going to have to save the EXISTING mortgages....we are not going to get out of the housing crisis.

The stimulus is great for these first time buyers, and now the one for subsequent buyers...however...these people are buying houses on the low end of the spectrum. These buyers are, for the most part, young people coming out apartments or momma/daddy's home.

The lower end of the market was the segment that was affected by bad loans...those given to people who barely qualified and were FHA loans for the most part. These are the same "type" of people who are being helped by the stimulus...young people who barely qualify, and are getting FHA loans. The ones who will still get into trouble if they have any significant changes to their lives...job loss, pregnancy/complications from pregnancy, divorce, called up to active duty from reserve duty. Anything that tilts the normal balance of their lives.

The middle and upper end market is still in distress and will continue to be until the banks/mortgage companies are forced to work with these homeowners. There are many many solutions for temporary or permanent fixes that the lenders are aware of...but hey, as long as they are able to make their bottom line look good, they have no reason to change....and right now, taking that difference between loan amount and foreclosure resale is helping out the bottom line.

It will take the government making a change on how a lender can deduct the default costs on taxes, for lenders to really start working with mortgage holders.

Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

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Re: Hamsher, Norquist: Rahm Must Go!
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2009, 06:23:35 PM »
So what do you guys think of Emmanuel's dirty deals and Hamsher's call for his head on a pike?

I think he's as dirty as they come.  And this middle of the night move by Obama to play CYA for his Chief of Staff smacks of a page from Billy Jeff's playbook.

Not to mention a serious...if I understand the term correctly quid pro quo...between Fannie...Freddie and the Administration.

That Hamsher is calling for his head on a pike is surprising and refreshing.  Too bad instead of seeing it for what it is...the MSM will instead probably try and savage her in a very Liberman-esque fashion.
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