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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #100 on: December 28, 2009, 06:19:53 PM »
I've never even been to freerepublic - don't even know WTF it is. I stand behind my statement, and I think the GOP record supports my statement. Willing to be convinced otherwise, but given the growth of gov't and spending under the GOP, I no longer see them as a conservative party.:shrug:

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« Reply #101 on: December 29, 2009, 12:40:14 AM »
Voting 3rd party got us Clinton....when Perot took many votes away from the Republican Party...Voting for a third party in the next election will yield us 4 more years of the Great Zero. 

I told myself after I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket that I will not vote for a RINO again...but after seeing the ineptitude of the current sitting POTUS...I will not throw my vote to a 3rd party president, only to hand Lord Zero victory and another 4 years....as McCain's mother said...I will hold my nose and vote for the Republican candidate, even if he is not conservative enough for me.  While the (R) candidate will get my vote by default....not voting may be worse.

My hope is that the Republican party will sway more to the right.


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« Reply #102 on: December 29, 2009, 11:55:30 PM »
The secret to changing the Repub party to our way of thinking is do it from within and run good candidates that have conservative values. A third party candidate may have a chance in local elections but it ain't going to happen in a Presidential election. Firstly, it takes tremendous amounts of money and if the candidate is not allowed in the debates, he or she will not stand a chance. Secondly, it would be almost an impossibility for a 3rd party candidate to win enough electoral votes to be elected. Even if that candidate wound up with more electoral votes than the R or D, don't you think the selection in Congress would come down to a strictly partisan vote? That would leave the 3rd party candidate in 3rd place.

The question was "why should I vote for a Republician". ANSWER: After 9/11 the Repubs under GWB kept us safe for 7 1/2 years. BTW, if your dead, all this other stuff like taxes, big government, health care, guns control, etc. etc. is rather immaterial. I think Bush did a great job in keeping us safe. The present dummie in the WH terrifies the hell out of me. That is a good enough reason to vote to oust him and his liberal friends that do not have a clue about the safety of this country. If that is not a good enough reason to remove these amateurs, I pity you.   

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« Reply #103 on: December 30, 2009, 02:17:00 PM »
The secret to changing the Repub party to our way of thinking is do it from within and run good candidates that have conservative values. A third party candidate may have a chance in local elections but it ain't going to happen in a Presidential election. Firstly, it takes tremendous amounts of money and if the candidate is not allowed in the debates, he or she will not stand a chance. Secondly, it would be almost an impossibility for a 3rd party candidate to win enough electoral votes to be elected. Even if that candidate wound up with more electoral votes than the R or D, don't you think the selection in Congress would come down to a strictly partisan vote? That would leave the 3rd party candidate in 3rd place.

The question was "why should I vote for a Republician". ANSWER: After 9/11 the Repubs under GWB kept us safe for 7 1/2 years. BTW, if your dead, all this other stuff like taxes, big government, health care, guns control, etc. etc. is rather immaterial. I think Bush did a great job in keeping us safe. The present dummie in the WH terrifies the hell out of me. That is a good enough reason to vote to oust him and his liberal friends that do not have a clue about the safety of this country. If that is not a good enough reason to remove these amateurs, I pity you.   

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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #104 on: December 30, 2009, 02:27:17 PM »
BTW, if your dead, all this other stuff like taxes, big government, health care, guns control, etc. etc. is rather immaterial. I think Bush did a great job in keeping us safe. The present dummie in the WH terrifies the hell out of me. That is a good enough reason to vote to oust him and his liberal friends that do not have a clue about the safety of this country. If that is not a good enough reason to remove these amateurs, I pity you.   

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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2010, 08:23:05 PM »
Voting 3rd party got us Clinton....when Perot took many votes away from the Republican Party...Voting for a third party in the next election will yield us 4 more years of the Great Zero.  

I told myself after I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket that I will not vote for a RINO again...but after seeing the ineptitude of the current sitting POTUS...I will not throw my vote to a 3rd party president, only to hand Lord Zero victory and another 4 years....as McCain's mother said...I will hold my nose and vote for the Republican candidate, even if he is not conservative enough for me.  While the (R) candidate will get my vote by default....not voting may be worse.

My hope is that the Republican party will sway more to the right.



The above quote is the mind of the average conservative American.  I do respect that opinion yet I do not agree with it.

I am reminded of something I read a while back.  It was a commentary concerning the election of the 4th Presidency of the United States.  John Adams was attempting to be re-elected for a second term and of course we know that Thomas Jefferson won.  Yet what struck me as so amazing in this commentary was the situation that the government and the people were in at the time.  Adams managed to keep the United States out of war with England and France in order to preserve the Union of the nation and this was his single great accomplishment during his administration.  Yet Adams was branded as a Federalist.  Years later his son John Quincy Adams would also follow this same branding and government would grow further with national banks and departments of the interior.  Yet John Adams for all of his fevered pitch from 1775 to 1776 seeking a free and independent nation, once elected not only as president but also as vice president under Washington, he sought to re shackle some of the freedoms of the people.  One of these attempts was a direct attack upon the 1st amendment violating the right of free speech by not allowing dissenting remarks concerning the President of the United States.   Jefferson had a field day with Adams that destroyed their friendship.  In the attempted re election of Adams, Adams did not even make a close second.  

I do find it interesting that Adams and Jefferson rekindled their friendship before their deaths.  Also these two men, Jefferson and Adams, marked the last two living founding fathers in the 1820's and they both lamented even then what had become of the government.  In 1826 there was to be a commemorative celebration on July 4th.  John Quincy was president at the time and his father John was invited to come to the Capitol.  There John Adams viewed a new painting that is now famous today, you can find it on the back of a 2 dollar bill.  The painting was of all of the founding fathers signing the Declaration of Independence.  Adams scolded the painter saying that this event never took place.  He stated that "we were at war with England at the time"  and that each member of congress signed the declaration as he would pass through Philadelphia then immediately leave for fear of British assault upon the city. Adams claimed that the artist was re-writing history and creating this "modern American history" in its place.  Adams then later claimed that the history, purpose and need for the revolution and an independent nation was lost forever.  In a letter to Thomas Jefferson he asked a question.  The question was "Who would write the history of the revolution?"  Jefferson replied "No man will" but Jefferson stated that if men are to remember and to learn what the revolution was for and why we sacrificed that they would only be left with scattered facts, dates and events that they must piece together to find its meaning.  Both men died on the same day, July 4th 1826, the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

How does this speak to us today within our present circumstances?  If men that founded this very nation could look back in their own lifetime and see how far removed the government had become from what it was intended to be, how much more are we off course today?  For me it is not a matter of who is left or right for when I see a Republican or Democrat I see the same party.  I do not see a liberal nor do I see a conservative.  When I look through the lens of our founders I see them as traitors.  Until the American people are willing to once again demand that they are represented as intended by our constitution then our choice will always be the lesser of two evils rather than what is right or good for our children.  

I am sorry, I am not satisfied with a Republican candidate based upon thier past offered candidates for our nation.  So let me ask the people in this forum.  Who will write the history of the demise of this nation?  For if we do not change, if we are not willing to change perhaps only facts, dates and events will survive for the next generation to piece together the mistakes we made.
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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2010, 10:16:02 PM »
The above quote is the mind of the average conservative American.  I do respect that opinion yet I do not agree with it.

I am reminded of something I read a while back.  It was a commentary concerning the election of the 4th Presidency of the United States.  John Adams was attempting to be re-elected for a second term and of course we know that Thomas Jefferson won.  Yet what struck me as so amazing in this commentary was the situation that the government and the people were in at the time.  Adams managed to keep the United States out of war with England and France in order to preserve the Union of the nation and this was his single great accomplishment during his administration.  Yet Adams was branded as a Federalist.  Years later his son John Quincy Adams would also follow this same branding and government would grow further with national banks and departments of the interior.  Yet John Adams for all of his fevered pitch from 1775 to 1776 seeking a free and independent nation, once elected not only as president but also as vice president under Washington, he sought to re shackle some of the freedoms of the people.  One of these attempts was a direct attack upon the 1st amendment violating the right of free speech by not allowing dissenting remarks concerning the President of the United States.   Jefferson had a field day with Adams that destroyed their friendship.  In the attempted re election of Adams, Adams did not even make a close second.  

I do find it interesting that Adams and Jefferson rekindled their friendship before their deaths.  Also these two men, Jefferson and Adams, marked the last two living founding fathers in the 1820's and they both lamented even then what had become of the government.  In 1826 there was to be a commemorative celebration on July 4th.  John Quincy was president at the time and his father John was invited to come to the Capitol.  There John Adams viewed a new painting that is now famous today, you can find it on the back of a 2 dollar bill.  The painting was of all of the founding fathers signing the Declaration of Independence.  Adams scolded the painter saying that this event never took place.  He stated that "we were at war with England at the time"  and that each member of congress signed the declaration as he would pass through Philadelphia then immediately leave for fear of British assault upon the city. Adams claimed that the artist was re-writing history and creating this "modern American history" in its place.  Adams then later claimed that the history, purpose and need for the revolution and an independent nation was lost forever.  In a letter to Thomas Jefferson he asked a question.  The question was "Who would write the history of the revolution?"  Jefferson replied "No man will" but Jefferson stated that if men are to remember and to learn what the revolution was for and why we sacrificed that they would only be left with scattered facts, dates and events that they must piece together to find its meaning.  Both men died on the same day, July 4th 1826, the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

How does this speak to us today within our present circumstances?  If men that founded this very nation could look back in their own lifetime and see how far removed the government had become from what it was intended to be, how much more are we off course today?  For me it is not a matter of who is left or right for when I see a Republican or Democrat I see the same party.  I do not see a liberal nor do I see a conservative.  When I look through the lens of our founders I see them as traitors.  Until the American people are willing to once again demand that they are represented as intended by our constitution then our choice will always be the lesser of two evils rather than what is right or good for our children.  

I am sorry, I am not satisfied with a Republican candidate based upon thier past offered candidates for our nation.  So let me ask the people in this forum.  Who will write the history of the demise of this nation?  For if we do not change, if we are not willing to change perhaps only facts, dates and events will survive for the next generation to piece together the mistakes we made.

Point in time in history where the Republican party was acceptable to you is? 

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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2010, 10:18:33 PM »
Point in time in history where the Republican party was acceptable to you is? 

How about finding a new record to play.  We've heard this one already......  Several times in fact.
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« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2010, 10:21:34 PM »
Point in time in history where the Republican party was acceptable to you is? 

Jeffersons time the Republican party was quite good.  Pre 1900's there were issues but still far more in line than today.  Yet in todays time, save the trouble and call Republicans what they really are, Democrats.  To call it like it is, call the Democrats of today as they really are, Communists.

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« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2010, 10:29:31 PM »
Jeffersons time the Republican party was quite good.  Pre 1900's there were issues but still far more in line than today.  Yet in todays time, save the trouble and call Republicans what they really are, Democrats.  To call it like it is, call the Democrats of today as they really are, Communists.

Sure, we can get the time of Jefferson back again.  Absolutely.

I am going to head back to reality now.  You enjoy the site.

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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2010, 10:30:10 PM »
How about finding a new record to play.  We've heard this one already......  Several times in fact.

Which was never answered was it?

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« Reply #111 on: January 01, 2010, 10:33:56 PM »
The above quote is the mind of the average conservative American.  I do respect that opinion yet I do not agree with it.

I am reminded of something I read a while back.  It was a commentary concerning the election of the 4th Presidency of the United States.  John Adams was attempting to be re-elected for a second term and of course we know that Thomas Jefferson won.  Yet what struck me as so amazing in this commentary was the situation that the government and the people were in at the time.  Adams managed to keep the United States out of war with England and France in order to preserve the Union of the nation and this was his single great accomplishment during his administration.  Yet Adams was branded as a Federalist.  Years later his son John Quincy Adams would also follow this same branding and government would grow further with national banks and departments of the interior.  Yet John Adams for all of his fevered pitch from 1775 to 1776 seeking a free and independent nation, once elected not only as president but also as vice president under Washington, he sought to re shackle some of the freedoms of the people.  One of these attempts was a direct attack upon the 1st amendment violating the right of free speech by not allowing dissenting remarks concerning the President of the United States.   Jefferson had a field day with Adams that destroyed their friendship.  In the attempted re election of Adams, Adams did not even make a close second.  

I do find it interesting that Adams and Jefferson rekindled their friendship before their deaths.  Also these two men, Jefferson and Adams, marked the last two living founding fathers in the 1820's and they both lamented even then what had become of the government.  In 1826 there was to be a commemorative celebration on July 4th.  John Quincy was president at the time and his father John was invited to come to the Capitol.  There John Adams viewed a new painting that is now famous today, you can find it on the back of a 2 dollar bill.  The painting was of all of the founding fathers signing the Declaration of Independence.  Adams scolded the painter saying that this event never took place.  He stated that "we were at war with England at the time"  and that each member of congress signed the declaration as he would pass through Philadelphia then immediately leave for fear of British assault upon the city. Adams claimed that the artist was re-writing history and creating this "modern American history" in its place.  Adams then later claimed that the history, purpose and need for the revolution and an independent nation was lost forever.  In a letter to Thomas Jefferson he asked a question.  The question was "Who would write the history of the revolution?"  Jefferson replied "No man will" but Jefferson stated that if men are to remember and to learn what the revolution was for and why we sacrificed that they would only be left with scattered facts, dates and events that they must piece together to find its meaning.  Both men died on the same day, July 4th 1826, the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

How does this speak to us today within our present circumstances?  If men that founded this very nation could look back in their own lifetime and see how far removed the government had become from what it was intended to be, how much more are we off course today?  For me it is not a matter of who is left or right for when I see a Republican or Democrat I see the same party.  I do not see a liberal nor do I see a conservative.  When I look through the lens of our founders I see them as traitors.  Until the American people are willing to once again demand that they are represented as intended by our constitution then our choice will always be the lesser of two evils rather than what is right or good for our children.  

I am sorry, I am not satisfied with a Republican candidate based upon thier past offered candidates for our nation.  So let me ask the people in this forum.  Who will write the history of the demise of this nation?  For if we do not change, if we are not willing to change perhaps only facts, dates and events will survive for the next generation to piece together the mistakes we made.

If you are taling about the current President, you are blind. I do not agree with your assessment. Obama is hell bent on taking us on a socialistic journey. One that we will never recover from. For example, relinquishing our sovereignty, one world order, take over of the banks, auto makers, health care,etc. Next will be the energy sector. If you have not heard, the plan is to tax coal, oil and natural gas so high that greenie energy will be able to compete in price.

This administration will dumb down our military and intelligence agencies. That is what happened under Carter, Clinton and now Obama. Do you understand that? Bush kept us safe for 7 1/2 years. Obama does not know what he is doing. My number one concern of any President and should be yours is who is best to protect this country from attack. Repubs. win hands down. Your history lesson does not mean zip if terrorist attacks start happening on our home soil. I am afraid that it will happen soon because of the incompetence of this DEMOCRAT IN OFFICE.    

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« Reply #112 on: January 01, 2010, 10:34:30 PM »
Which was never answered was it?

In fact it was answered, people just simply refuse to listen.  That is unless its the GOP talking, then they seem to listen just like the liberal idiots listen to Obama.  Quite interesting isnt it?  

Show me a man worthy and I will back him.  Its not complicated really.  All he must do is follow and abide by the constitution of the United States of America.  I dont give a crap what political flag he is under.  In fact, find just one in your party and I will vote for him.  Then perhaps we will return to the time of Jefferson.  Its not that hard to return there really, the framework already exists, its just no one will listen.  Including you.

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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #113 on: January 01, 2010, 10:34:53 PM »
they are like to communists that way.

It's a flow chart sort of thinking, complete with detailed talking points the ronulan infiltraitors copy and paste in almost any situation.

You say two party system works, they trot out Jefferson.

etc etc etc.

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« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2010, 10:36:01 PM »
Which was never answered was it?

I answered it.  It's not my problem if you didn't like the response.

If you want to continue to vote for the lessor of two evils, while knowing full well that you are still voting for evil, knock yourself out.

Some of us have some serious reservations and concerns about the GOP and the way they have been conducting themselves for the past 20 years.

All we are doing is expressing those concerns.  

If that gets your shorts in a knot, that's not my problem either.
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« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2010, 10:36:21 PM »
If you are taling about the current President, you are blind. I do not agree with your assessment. Obama is hell bent on taking us on a socialistic journey. One that we will never recover from. For example, relinquishing our sovereignty, one world order, take over of the banks, auto makers, health care,etc. Next will be the energy sector. If you have not heard, the plan is to tax coal, oil and natural gas so high that greenie energy will be able to compete in price.

This administration will dumb down our military and intelligence agencies. That is what happened under Carter, Clinton and now Obama. Do you understand that? Bush kept us safe for 7 1/2 years. Obama does not know what he is doing. My number one concern of any President and should be yours is who is best to protect this country from attack. Repubs. win hands down. Your history lesson does not mean zip if terrorist attacks start happening on our home soil. I am afraid that it will happen soon because of the incompetence of this DEMOCRAT IN OFFICE.    

I was not talking about Obama at all.  I was talking about the mentality of this repeated teeter totter we are on repeating history again and again.  I know what Obama is doing and your right... he is Communist.  Next time read more specifically what I am dealing with please.

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« Reply #116 on: January 01, 2010, 10:40:37 PM »
Jeffersons time the Republican party was quite good.  Pre 1900's there were issues but still far more in line than today.  Yet in todays time, save the trouble and call Republicans what they really are, Democrats.  To call it like it is, call the Democrats of today as they really are, Communists.

The Republican party in Jefferson's time - which "Jefferson" are you referring to?  Or are you, perchance, referring to the Democratic-Republican Party founded jointly by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison around 1792 - you know, the party that ended up being the precursor to today's Democrat Party?

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« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2010, 10:42:24 PM »
In fact it was answered, people just simply refuse to listen.  That is unless its the GOP talking, then they seem to listen just like the liberal idiots listen to Obama.  Quite interesting isnt it? 

Show me a man worthy and I will back him.  Its not complicated really.  All he must do is follow and abide by the constitution of the United States of America.  I dont give a crap what political flag he is under.  In fact, find just one in your party and I will vote for him.  Then perhaps we will return to the time of Jefferson.  Its not that hard to return there really, the framework already exists, its just no one will listen.  Including you.

Then you, sadly, will find no-one to back.  It's a little sad to see someone with such clear conservative convictions sideline himself on the basis of a purity test, so that, when we all clank our Democrat-forged chains together someday, he can say "well, at least I didn't vote for any of this." 

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« Reply #118 on: January 01, 2010, 10:43:46 PM »
In fact it was answered, people just simply refuse to listen.  That is unless its the GOP talking, then they seem to listen just like the liberal idiots listen to Obama.  Quite interesting isnt it?  

Show me a man worthy and I will back him.  Its not complicated really.  All he must do is follow and abide by the constitution of the United States of America.  I dont give a crap what political flag he is under.  In fact, find just one in your party and I will vote for him.  Then perhaps we will return to the time of Jefferson.  Its not that hard to return there really, the framework already exists, its just no one will listen.  Including you.

You know what is played?  The whine that gets trotted out from the la-la-libertarians when every election cycle heats up (and it matters not who is President, or who has control of Congress).  This fictional candidate is the only one they will support -- except he does not exist, and will never exist.  Their own look-at-me loon Dr. Ron is so significantly flawed to this uptopian paradise, yet they can't even see it.  Even when it is spelled out in intricate detail to them.

Whine.. I want, I want, I want..... not going to happen.   Jefferson was not perfect.  He paid the press to trash his good friend Adams.... or my bad, he actually wrote the lies that were published.   When Adams begged him to help him intervene with France to ward off war, Jefferson scoffed at him and refused -- all to make Adams' party look bad in the upcoming election.  Politics has been ugly as hell since the founding of our country.  Candidates are not perfect, and our founding fathers could never have imagined in their wildest dreams the superpower this country is today.

Dr. Ron ain't Jefferson.  He ain't even close.  

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« Reply #119 on: January 01, 2010, 10:44:47 PM »
The Republican party in Jefferson's time - which "Jefferson" are you referring to?  Or are you, perchance, referring to the Democratic-Republican Party founded jointly by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison around 1792 - you know, the party that ended up being the precursor to today's Democrat Party?

You are correct only in part.  It is not the model of the democratic party today.  The model of the democratic party today is modeled off of the progressive ideology of socialism from the early 1900's that took deep root in the 1920's.  Yet the fundamental changes were already in effect shortly after 1900.  You cannot in any way equate the two as the same.  

The model installed in the early 1900's is the same ideology used by Hitler, I would not exactly call that Jeffersonian, now would you?

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« Reply #120 on: January 01, 2010, 10:45:43 PM »
I answered it.  It's not my problem if you didn't like the response.

If you want to continue to vote for the lessor of two evils, while knowing full well that you are still voting for evil, knock yourself out.

Some of us have some serious reservations and concerns about the GOP and the way they have been conducting themselves for the past 20 years.

All we are doing is expressing those concerns.  

If that gets your shorts in a knot, that's not my problem either.

It doesn't, but the political immature whining from whatever party it is you fancy yourself as is what rolls my eyes, and puts people like Obama into office.

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« Reply #121 on: January 01, 2010, 10:48:42 PM »
You know what is played?  The whine that gets trotted out from the la-la-libertarians when every election cycle heats up (and it matters not who is President, or who has control of Congress).  This fictional candidate is the only one they will support -- except he does not exist, and will never exist.  Their own look-at-me loon Dr. Ron is so significantly flawed to this uptopian paradise, yet they can't even see it.  Even when it is spelled out in intricate detail to them.

Whine.. I want, I want, I want..... not going to happen.   Jefferson was not perfect.  He paid the press to trash his good friend Adams.... or my bad, he actually wrote the lies that were published.   When Adams begged him to help him intervene with France to ward off war, Jefferson scoffed at him and refused -- all to make Adams' party look bad in the upcoming election.  Politics has been ugly as hell since the founding of our country.  Candidates are not perfect, and our founding fathers could never have imagined in their wildest dreams the superpower this country is today.

Dr. Ron ain't Jefferson.  He ain't even close.  


Correct on all counts.  Politics has always been ugly. 

Yet where did I ever say I was a Ron Paul supporter?  Where did I ever say I am a libertarian, for I am not.... You assume much.  Yet your right on another count, Paul is not Jefferson by a long shot.  By the way, I never voted for Ron Paul... so save your Paul rants for someone who it actually applies to.  I do accept some of the mans ideas as good, yet never has his position been good enough for me to vote for.  His son... maybe one day.  They are like night and day.

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Re: Why vote GOP back in?
« Reply #122 on: January 01, 2010, 10:51:05 PM »
Correct on all counts.  Politics has always been ugly. 

Yet where did I ever say I was a Ron Paul supporter?  Where did I ever say I am a libertarian, for I am not.... You assume much.  Yet your right on another count, Paul is not Jefferson by a long shot.  By the way, I never voted for Ron Paul... so save your Paul rants for someone who it actually applies to.  I do accept some of the mans ideas as good, yet never has his position been good enough for me to vote for.  His son... maybe one day.  They are like night and day.

You entered a Ron Paul thread to question why he is "hated" so, and you are the one who assumes I am talking about you.

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« Reply #123 on: January 01, 2010, 10:53:48 PM »
You entered a Ron Paul thread to question why he is "hated" so, and you are the one who assumes I am talking about you.

When I was in that thread I was speaking directly as to "why do people hate him so much?" and also I found it amazing at how Republicans can trash a man so badly that does in fact have some decent ideas.  I mean really if your wife cooks a meal for you and one item on the plate is bad do you cuss her out and throw away the food?

Sounds a bit childish and idiotic to me.

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« Reply #124 on: January 01, 2010, 10:54:12 PM »
I was not talking about Obama at all.  I was talking about the mentality of this repeated teeter totter we are on repeating history again and again.  I know what Obama is doing and your right... he is Communist.  Next time read more specifically what I am dealing with please.

Since you are a newbee here, you do not get to formulate the subject matter. My opinion is that Obama is going to screw things up, and that it is imperative that Repubs take over the House and/or the Senate to limit the damage Obama will inflict on us. All this other gibber jabberish is immaterial to me.