http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7270700Oh my.
The California piggy primitive, who won't let the worthless freeloading bum the wily primitive move in with her, at her Streisandian place out on the west coast:
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:07 AM
Original message
American women are the price for Ben Nelson's vote...
I hope we're worth it.
This is sickening.
In case one's not aware, the California piggy primitive was born with male parts.
Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:09 AM
Response to Original message
1. Can someone tell me what happens if the amendment fails?
Does he still vote for the bill?
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. I'm not sure.
But my guess is he wouldn't.
Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. Because there's not enough support for the amendment
So I don't expect it to pass.
madokie (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
3. Truly sickening
I just read about his price
We need election finance reform and until we get that we have no chance in hell of getting anything except a little token here and there. Our congresscritters of both strips are as corrupt as the mafia of the 20's and 30's except the critters actually can and do make the laws that make their criminality easier to pull off.
Xicano (951 posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:15 AM
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5. Was just watching that on CNN.
Yes this is sickening. Here's another quote Sen. Nelson just said: "I am against a public option."
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. And he calls himself a Democrat?
I don't recognize his type of Democrat...
DINO maybe...
madokie (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Bought and paided for is what I call his kind
still_one (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. The question is could a progressive Democrat even win in Nebraska or the other blue dog states?
If the answer is no, then it won't matter until that changes
The problem is that republicans because the party of exclusion, essentially allowing only those that tow the party line in
while Democrats have an open tent, allowing all people, including those who don't agree with the Democratic platform
There was no way we could have won 2008 without it, and of course without the help of the bush disaster
How do we turn those "purple" states around?
Until the people in those states have had enough of republican policies, the best we can hope for is change on a local, and maybe state level
whathehell (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. Yes, but as Rep. Anthony Wiener pointed out..
Had the president gone to Nebraska, gone to these other "conservative states" with Democratic senators...He could have Made the Case...He could have effin' TRIED...This whole process has reaked of lack of presidential leadership from the gitgo.
I hate to say it, but what Russ Feingold said may be true:..I'm paraphrasing slightly..Maybe the president didn't object too much "because this is the bill the president has wanted all along"
still_one (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:40 AM
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17. I don't disagree that Obama should have done that, but I am skeptical that narrow-minded views in some of those states just don't change that quickly
Kind of like the voters in Massachusetts, eh?
iamjoy (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:21 AM
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8. Here's How I See It
I think the fact that we have to make all these concessions to Conservative Democrats if awful.
However, let's look at a woman of a reproductive age, let's say she's working full time, but doesn't have health insurance. Right now, she may not be able to afford to go to the doctor and can't get a prescription for the pill - even if she got the script, she'd have to pay full price to have it filled. If she gets pregnant, her pre-natal care isn't covered (it may be if she agrees to give up the baby for adoption).
If we get universal health care, even with this atrocious amendment, this woman can go to the doctor. She can get a prescription for the pill. If she gets pregnant, her pre-natal care is covered. You have a more women needing healthcare than women needing "elective" abortions.
She's still in a better position.
the idea makes me furious, but the practical side of it...
The rich kid the grazing primitive:
jgraz (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:27 AM
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9. How's that "big tent" working out for us?
We'll continue to have these problems until we kick these assholes out of the caucus. It's embarrassing to support such a pathetically weak party.
still_one (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. The question is, are those states in enough pain to vote in progressives, or are they inane enough to continue to vote against their own interests?
jgraz (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. It really has nothing to do with progressive vs conservative
It has to do with strong vs weak. There is really nothing more unAmerican than being pathetically weak.
Progressive Democrats like Russ Feingold get a lot of right-wing support simply because they're viewed as hard-asses. Weak Democrats will *never* get that kind of loyalty.
However, it's beginning to look like the real problem is not that the Democrats can't get anything done because they're weak, but rather that the Democrats are using weakness as an excuse for never getting anything done. The real problem, as always, is the corporate money pulling the strings.
liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:29 AM
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11. Meh. We're always the price. Everywhere.
Women are expendable in the patriarchal scheme of things.
Yeah, the old patriarch dead ted certainly thought of women as expendable.
Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:29 AM
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12. The poor, the working poor, women, minorities and gays ALWAYS get the shaft. Always..
still_one (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. The only way that would change is if they unite into a political force. Until that happens don't expect much
Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #14
19. That political force is supposed to be the Democratic party isn't it?
still_one (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Well since demographically speaking, that political force represents more population than the rest, they sure don't seem to be united to get enough progressives elected in purple and red states
Maybe that will change, but it is a slow process
jgraz (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
21. EVERYONE gets the shaft. It's the Democratic way.
When will we realize that this party has no interest in support the people who vote for them?
DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:33 AM
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15. His vote isn't worth it.........
****ing man pig, he needs to fall into a crevice of hell.
AzDar (1000+ posts) Sat Dec-19-09 10:42 AM
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18. Nice of them to barter OUR rights away in order to give more bags o' cash to Big Phrma and the Insurance Rackets, isn't it?
Oh my.
Does nothing make the primitives happy?
