DUmmies Discuss Kennedys Taking Communion And Promoting Infanticide

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This item was already posted this morning in Breaking News, but it has also become an enormous bonfire at the DUmp, nearly 200 responses. Clearly, some DUmmies are more than a little uncomfortable that a huge portion of humanity, including the Catholic Church, sees their enthusiastic endorsement of infanticide to be immoral. In the democrat world, Catholics are the object of as much hatred as "fundies", Jews, Republicans, white males, successful people, patriots, military officers, corporate executives, and SUV owners.

24601 (371 posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 09:35 AM
Original message
Kennedy says RI bishop banned him from Communion
Source: Associated Press - By Ray Henry

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) - Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin has banned Rep. Patrick Kennedy from receiving Communion, the central sacrament of the church, in Rhode Island because of the congressman's support for abortion rights, Kennedy said in a newspaper interview published Sunday.

The decision by the outspoken prelate, reported on The Providence Journal's Web site, significantly escalates a bitter dispute between Tobin, an ultra orthodox bishop, and Kennedy, a son of the nation's most famous Roman Catholic family.

"The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion," Kennedy told the paper in an interview conducted Friday.

Kennedy said the bishop had explained the penalty by telling him "that I am not a good practicing Catholic because of the positions that I've taken as a public official," particularly on abortion.

Pat, we would welcome you to the Episcopal Church.

In 1994, our 71st General Convention expressed "unequivocal opposition to any ... action ... that abridge the right of a woman to reach an informed decision about the termination of her pregnancy, or that would limit the access of a woman to a safe means of acting upon her decision."

And we are gender nuetral - our Presiding Bishop is a woman. (The Most Rev.) Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori presides over US Episcopalians & represents us in the worldwide anglican communion.

We also consecrate (bishops) and ordain (priests & deacons) without regard to sexual orientation.

And there is no requirement for personal confession - all the sin with half the guilt!

Prime Rib on Good Friday is OK.

Sorry Baptists, we also drink & dance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4156573

no_hypocrisy  (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 10:02 AM
3. It's more than denying Kennedy religious absolution from sin.
It's telling a block of catholic voters not to re-elect him next election cycle.

AlbertCat  (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 05:06 PM
139. the logic of the faith,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's a good one!

So he can't do some made up ritual of eating a cracker. It will not make one iota of difference when he's dead. It's a move designed for the LIVING to see and to scare other duped believers into being afraid. Fear & guilt.... fear & guilt!

DUmmy CatholicEdHead cannot believe that a bishop would sincerely promote the faith:

CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-22-09 11:54 AM
46. And personal gain for Bishop Tobin
to get on that fast track to Archbishop and then Cardinal.

This is nothing more than that. He knows the internal kudos he can get by cracking down on someone with the name Kennedy.

Ian David  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-22-09 10:20 AM
5. The leadership of the Catholic Church is a terrorist organization.

Farzan (59 posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 11:05 AM
21. So he is banned...
from this superstitious and ridiculous ceremony. Big deal. It is not like he can't attend one of those "Eyes wide shut" assemblies that would mean anything. 

hack89 (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 04:55 PM
137. Rhode Island is a socially conservative state
Kennedy is on thin enough ice already with his drug and behavior problems. The right opponent could certainly take advantage of this. He is my rep and I would love for him to be gone (to a Democrat of course). He is personally responsible for taking a lot of the luster off of the Kennedy name around here. He is both an idiot and a carpet bagger - for many moderate Catholics here this is simply the final straw.

Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-22-09 10:43 AM
11. Wait, I thought we Unitarian Universalists were the answer
Hmmm...I'll get a group together and some coffee and we'll discuss this.

A cult cannot be weirder than UU, unless it's founded by L. Ron Hubbard.

Botany  (1000+ posts)       Sun Nov-22-09 11:09 AM
25. Bingo 
The Catholic Church worked in 2004 to help beat a good man in John Kerry ( A Catholic himself )
and I am willing to bet that Karl Rove made a deal to immunize the Church against many
lawsuits from priests ****ing little boys.

I am all for pulling their tax exempt status. 

No Elephants (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 03:28 PM
110. How many Republicans promote choice? Being pro-Republican is being partisan.
The IRS will not touch the Catholic Church, nor will any President allow the IRS to touch the Catholic Church, but its position is partisan, even if they do get off on a technicality.

The IRS needs to change its regulations, IMO, but that's probably never going to happen either.

defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-22-09 08:21 PM
165. It's a distortion of what the "sacrament of communion" is about ... 
You want to bet that the "Pro-Life murderers" of various doctors are receiving communion?
Whether or not to receive communion is up to the member -- not a Bishop.
These are Catholic thugs -- no different from Repug thugs --

And I'd love to see Patrick Kennedy take on the Church -- in all issues.

Right. A drunken, heroin-addicted Kennedy should "take on" the Roman Catholic Church. The Vatican trembles.


In the midst of all this hatred of Catholicism and morality, DUmmy Hulk makes a joke. He tithes to the Catholic Church! No, really!

Hulk (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 11:17 AM
27. I'm stopping my tithing as of this day!
I'm not a "Kennedy donation", but the Catholic Church has seen the LAST of my tithing. In my 62 years of practicing as a Catholic, THIS is the last straw. I will donate to the poor on the streets of San Miguel, where I live; but I will from this day forward NEVER donate one red cent to the Catholic Church or ANY of it's church's that are in connection with this pathetic, evil and f*cked up bishop.

F*CK YOU tobin, you spawn of Satan. ...any all those like you!

McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-22-09 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
67. Wow. The Catholic Church vs. the Kennedy Family.   
My grandmother had a picture of JFK up on the wall next to her picture of the Virgin Mary. This is one crazy ass Catholic Bishop.

So...a bishop who recognizes and enforces a fundamental tenet of the faith qualifies as "crazy ass".

This thread goes on and on and on. It serves to reinforce two constant truths about democrats:

1. Matters of faith and morality are incomprehensible to them.
2. If they have elections in Hell, the democrat will run unopposed.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

A cult cannot be weirder than UU, unless it's founded by L. Ron Hubbard.

My father was ordained a UU minister.

I made mention of how silly the notion of universal salvation really was because it made the absence of standards the standard by which men are judged. When the clique at his church insisted even the God of the Bible was LOVE I replied that while this is indeed the claim it also claims that LOVE is qualified by standards (which seek to improve the individual because of and by LOVE) to wit I made several scriptural references.

"But you don't know that," was the response that still rings in my ears twenty some-odd years later. The implication was that translations and interpretations were so old and so vague certainty as to God's motives was impossible.

IOW, they have built an entire creed based on an absolute lack of standards founded upon a bedrock of ignorance. Nothing upon nothing and it means nothing to me.

[BlueStateSaint]

IOW, they have built an entire creed based on an absolute lack of standards founded upon a bedrock of ignorance. Nothing upon nothing and it means nothing to me.

Sounds like today's Democrat Party, and the DUmp.

[VivisMom]

Botany  (1000+ posts)       Sun Nov-22-09 11:09 AM
25. Bingo 
The Catholic Church worked in 2004 to help beat a good man in John Kerry ( A Catholic himself )
and I am willing to bet that Karl Rove made a deal to immunize the Church against many
lawsuits from priests ****ing little boys.

I am all for pulling their tax exempt status.

John Kerry is a CINO. It really bugs me that  he continues to call himself a Catholic when really, he's not even close.

I love how when all else fails, they scream pedophilia. What happened to all that love for NAMBLA over at the Dump? Oh wait, it's okay if it's not Catholic priests...but anyone else gets a pass. 

Pulling the tax exempt status of the Catholic Church would mean that you then have to do it for all churches, including the parish of that American-hating terrorist, Jeremiah Wright. If you're willing, so am I!

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

  You cannot receive the body and blood of Christ without confession and reconciliation! It is very simple!

Proper Confession and Communion

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Proper Confession
Before confession one should attempt to recall all the sins which one has committed voluntarily or involuntarily. One must attentively reexamine one's life in order to recall not only those sins committed since the last confession, but also those which have not been confessed through forgetfulness. Then, with compunction and a contrite heart, approach the Cross and the Gospel and begin the confession of your sins.

1. Confess your sins honestly, remembering that you open them not to a man, but to God Himself. God knows your sins already and only wants your admission of them. You should not be embarrassed before your spiritual father: he is a person just as you are. He knows human shortcomings well, man's tendency towards sin. For this reason your spiritual father cannot be your terrible judge at confession. Is the reason that you are embarrassed before your spiritual father that you are afraid to lose his good opinion of you? On the contrary, your spiritual father will have all the more love for you when he sees your open, honest confession. Furthermore, if you are afraid to reveal your sins before just one person, your spiritual father, how will you overcome your embarrassment when you appear at God's Last Judgment? There, all your sins which you have not confessed will be opened before God Himself, the Angels and all the people.

2. Be specific when you confess, listing all your sins separately. St. John Chrysostom says: "One must not only say: I have sinned, or I am sinful, but one must declare each type of sin." "The revelation of sins," says St. Basil the Great, "is subject to the same law as the Declaration of physical ills..." The sinner is spiritually ill, and the spiritual father is the physician or healer. It stands to reason that one must confess or tell about one's sins in the same way as one who is physically ill describes the symptoms of his illness to a physician from whom he expects to receive healing.

3. Do not mention anyone else during confession, i.e. do not complain about anyone - what sort of confession is this? It is not confession, but judgement and a new sin.


4. Do not attempt to justify yourself in any way during confession: blaming weakness, custom, etc. The more one justifies himself during confession, the less one is justified by God. The more one denounces, judges and accuses oneself, the more one is justified in the eyes of God.

5.When questioned by your spiritual father, do not say: "I can't remember, maybe I committed that sin." God commanded us to always remember our sins. In order not to justify ourselves with not remembering, we must confess our sins as often as possible. Those who, because of carelessness, confess and take communion infrequently, and because of this forget their sins, have no one to blame but themselves. They cannot hope for remission of the sins which they failed to confess. Thus, it is imperative that we try to recall all our sins. When someone owes us something we are sure to remember this. Yet we forget our own debts before God! Does this not reveal an utter absence of concern for our soul on our part?

6. Unless asked by your spiritual father, do not list the sins you have not committed or things you have not done. Doing this, you liken yourself to the Pharisee of the Gospel. You do not confess your sins, but boast, thereby increasing your judgment.

7. We must confess with sorrow and a contrite heart the sins by which we have grieved our Lord God. It is not good that many tell of their sins matter-of-factly, without any remorse. They speak as though they are engaged in some casual conversation. What is worse, some even allow themselves to laugh during confession. These are all signs of unrepentedness. Confessing in this manner, we do not cleanse ourselves of our sins, but rather increase them.

8. Finally, confess your sins with faith in Jesus Christ, with hope in His mercy. Only with faith in Jesus Christ and hope in Him can we receive forgiveness of our sins. Without faith, we cannot receive remission. An example of this is Judas the traitor—who was remorseful of what he did, but did not have faith in Jesus, no hope in His mercy, and thus ended his own life.

This then, is how we must confess in order to receive remission of our sins from our Lord God. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (I John 1:9)

[Celtic Rose]

You cannot receive the body and blood of Christ without confession and reconciliation! It is very simple!

Now, now, now, why would you bring actual church practice into this discussion.  The DUmmies know all they need to know about the Catholic church!

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Now, now, now, why would you bring actual church practice into this discussion.  The DUmmies know all they need to know about the Catholic church!

I know CR they are the experts! This rule in particular should explain why  liberal Catholics are denied communion

4. Do not attempt to justify yourself in any way during confession: blaming weakness, custom, etc. The more one justifies himself during confession, the less one is justified by God. The more one denounces, judges and accuses oneself, the more one is justified in the eyes of God.

[franksolich]

Now, now, now, why would you bring actual church practice into this discussion.  The DUmmies know all they need to know about the Catholic church!

I have no idea how this happens, but a significant portion of primitives are lapsed Catholics; a larger proportion it seems, than in the general population.

There are many reasons people leave the Catholic church, but in the case of the primitives, the reason seems unanimously to be nothing but sheer Hatred.

I give you the prominent examples of the defrocked warped primitive, the skumbag primitive, the Die alte Sau, Doug's stupid ex-wife, Gloria Swanson, and quite possibly the sparkling husband primitive.

Stellar examples of, as Demonic Underwear once put it, fish rejecting the water that nourishes them, keeps them alive.

As Sigmund Freud explained it so many times in different words, to reject something into which one has been born and raised, is to reject oneself.

There are lapsed Catholics who go on to lead happy and fulfilled lives, but the element missing in their case is that of Hate. 

[BEG]

I just heard on the news that the Bishop responded and said this happened THREE years ago. So why is this brain damaged Kennedy bringing it up now?

[AllosaursRus]

No Elephants (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-22-09 03:28 PM
110. How many Republicans promote choice? Being pro-Republican is being partisan.
The IRS will not touch the Catholic Church, nor will any President allow the IRS to touch the Catholic Church, but its position is partisan, even if they do get off on a technicality.

The IRS needs to change its regulations, IMO, but that's probably never going to happen either.

Yeah, while we're at it why don't we throw in ACORN and all their affiliates? What, "no way" you say? Idiots!

I just heard on the news that the Bishop responded and said this happened THREE years ago. So why is this brain damaged Kennedy bringing it up now?

Probly 'cause he just now remembered. You know drugs are hell on the memory.