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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2009, 07:28:29 AM »
"The UN Charter is a treaty ratified by the United States and thus part of US law. Under the charter, a country can use armed force against another country only in self-defense or when the Security Council approves. Neither of those conditions was met before the United States invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11. Nineteen men - 15 from Saudi Arabia - did, and there was no imminent threat that Afghanistan would attack the US or another UN member country. The council did not authorize the United States or any other country to use military force against Afghanistan. The US war in Afghanistan is illegal."
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  â€” Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president of the
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!

Yeah, and Germany didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. I give a **** about the inept cowards at the United Nations. The #1 charge of the President of the United States is the defense of this nation. The Taliban didn't attack us? True, however they could have averted ALL attacks on their soil had they turned over Bin Ladin and his merry gang of scumbag Muslim radicals. They didn't. They were attacked. End of story.

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2009, 07:33:52 AM »
By your line of thinking we should never actually go to war then, we should just drop WMD's (which we actually posess) on all of our enemies that would be so much simpler, and you obviously wouldn't care who we kill, and we could just disreguard the U.N., which was created by us to prevent countries like the modern U.S. from doing whatever they want and creating mass chaos. You would just kill everyone who isnt a bible thumping NRA member.

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2009, 07:36:50 AM »
By your line of thinking we should never actually go to war then, we should just drop WMD's (which we actually posess) on all of our enemies that would be so much simpler, and you obviously wouldn't care who we kill, and we could just disreguard the U.N., which was created by us to prevent countries like the modern U.S. from doing whatever they want and creating mass chaos. You would just kill everyone who isnt a bible thumping NRA member.

Wouldn't mind killing a few traitorous scumbags like you. I'll admit.
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2009, 07:38:25 AM »
By your line of thinking we should never actually go to war then, we should just drop WMD's (which we actually posess) on all of our enemies that would be so much simpler, and you obviously wouldn't care who we kill, and we could just disreguard the U.N., which was created by us to prevent countries like the modern U.S. from doing whatever they want and creating mass chaos. You would just kill everyone who isnt a bible thumping NRA member.

BTW, this makes absolutely no sense and runs completely opposite of what I said.

Again, demand the return of your money. You're being brainwashed or you're just too stupid to learn. You're not even a semi-educated troll.
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2009, 07:38:33 AM »
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You would just kill everyone who isnt a bible thumping NRA member.

I'm an NRA member, but not a Bible thumper. But I'd thump you in the head with a Bible any time.

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2009, 08:14:24 PM »
I split the thread taking the part where the troll took it off topic to the Fight Club.
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2009, 08:23:58 PM »
I split the thread taking the part where the troll took it off topic to the Fight Club.

Can we all join in and give the mindless twit a piece of our minds or is it only for a select few?
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #82 on: October 05, 2009, 08:30:05 PM »
Can we all join in and give the mindless twit a piece of our minds or is it only for a select few?

Free for all.
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #83 on: October 05, 2009, 08:41:29 PM »
Free for all.

Great I have a few choice words for the spoiled brat
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #84 on: October 05, 2009, 10:41:13 PM »
Does this guy think America should just sit there an twiddle its thumbs while under attack and wait for some non-$*(#ing binding UN resolution asking if pretty please could the terrorists maybe think about not killing us anymore because it hurts our feelings?

The UN is utterly useless when dealing with real problems. The rest of the world is secretly glad they have us to do all the dirty work for them, even if they publicly denounce our "warmongering."

I just wish fewer people here would buy into it.

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2009, 06:19:03 AM »
Does this guy think America should just sit there an twiddle its thumbs while under attack and wait for some non-$*(#ing binding UN resolution asking if pretty please could the terrorists maybe think about not killing us anymore because it hurts our feelings?

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2009, 06:43:38 AM »
"The UN Charter is a treaty ratified by the United States and thus part of US law. Under the charter, a country can use armed force against another country only in self-defense or when the Security Council approves. Neither of those conditions was met before the United States invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11. Nineteen men - 15 from Saudi Arabia - did, and there was no imminent threat that Afghanistan would attack the US or another UN member country. The council did not authorize the United States or any other country to use military force against Afghanistan. The US war in Afghanistan is illegal."
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  — Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president of the
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!

"Self defense" is an imprecise term, there is not a definite limit to what it entails.  It can be applied or misapplied as the 'Eye of the beholder' sees fit, to criticize or justify any modern-era war.  It is so flexible that Germany's attack on Poland in 1939 would even fit into it as actually applied by the UN member states over the past 40 or so years, based on the Danzig Corridor issue.  The US case for attacking the Taliban government was founded on its creation of a sanctuary for the terrorist organization that committed the attacks, which appeared to constitute a continuing threat, thereby raising a legitimate claim of self-defense.  Senator, then President, Obambi certainly stood behind that justification so far.  While he certainly has a great big bus for throwing people under, he doesn't seem inclined to throw himself there (Intentionally, anyway).

Ol' Marjorie doesn't seem to have figured out that nobody else is bound by her subjective interpretation of 'Self defense,' which apparently is limited situations where bombs, missiles, or landing craft (All bearing clear and correct national markings of an opposed belligerent nation-state, busily violating that charter itself, or more likely having formulated a rationale based on the attack being a necessary self-defensive move) are actually inbound on US national turf, which bears no recongnizable resemblance to the way 'Self-defense' has been applied in customary international law for the last 300 years or so.  Such conceits are not an uncommon failing with profs, especially lib law school profs.   
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2009, 07:03:48 AM »
Interesting analysis, DAT, but I'm thinking as our little troll is reading this, she's twirling her hair, head cocked to one side like a dog who just heard a funny noise, cracking her gum in between sips of her half-caff/nonfat/semi-whatever latte she rang up on daddy's credit card, with a curl in her upper lip, going, "Huh?"

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2009, 08:51:43 AM »
Interesting analysis, DAT, but I'm thinking as our little troll is reading this, she's twirling her hair, head cocked to one side like a dog who just heard a funny noise, cracking her gum in between sips of her half-caff/nonfat/semi-whatever latte she rang up on daddy's credit card, with a curl in her upper lip, going, "Huh?"

And in other news, I found a childhood picture of our little noob:



Yeah, I'm sure li'l Muffy or Brit'ni is busy telling her clones 'OMG you wont believe what those neanderthals are saying to me OMG they are just so messed up' while sucking a pricy coffee drink that would buy some poor bastard his entire day's nutritive requirements at a drive-thru even now.

In case I wasn't clear enough, the concept of 'Self-defense' in the UN charter does not explicitly exclude pre-emptive self-defense, the aggrieved party does not have to await the convenience of the aggressor, merely construct a plausible case that attack was imminent.  Which, in essence, means that since there is no overarching body with the power to condemn such decisions as pretexts and enforce any meaningful sanctions based on that condemnation, the entire Charter is a truly meaningless piece of paper, good only for proclaiming underlying rectitude for the winner.   
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2009, 11:35:36 AM »

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #90 on: October 10, 2009, 03:51:31 PM »
More killing and fighting in POCK-E-STAN last 24 hours, the "President" is still trying to think what to do. Sweet Jesus, he cannot be THAT stupid, can he?

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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #91 on: October 10, 2009, 03:53:25 PM »
More killing and fighting in POCK-E-STAN last 24 hours, the "President" is still trying to think what to do. Sweet Jesus, he cannot be THAT stupid, can he?

"Yes he can".   :banghead:
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #92 on: October 10, 2009, 05:04:44 PM »
You would think he had a plan before he became POTUS.



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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #93 on: October 10, 2009, 05:13:22 PM »
You would think he had a plan before he became POTUS.

IMHO I don't think he thought he was going to make it all the way to the WH so he did not have a plan.
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #94 on: October 10, 2009, 07:00:07 PM »
IMHO I don't think he thought he was going to make it all the way to the WH so he did not have a plan.

Well.........he got egg on his face, don't he?   :-)



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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2009, 08:10:01 PM »
IMHO I don't think he thought he was going to make it all the way to the WH so he did not have a plan.
He had a plan...it's just that Rules for Radicals doesn't translate well on such a large scale.
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #96 on: October 10, 2009, 08:21:21 PM »
He had a plan...it's just that Rules for Radicals doesn't translate well on such a large scale.

Now I see things much clearer thanks
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #97 on: October 10, 2009, 08:21:42 PM »
Meanwhile, while the Imposter in Chief thinks...





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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #98 on: October 10, 2009, 08:26:12 PM »
What a image thank you
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Re: Obama to take (next several) weeks to study Afghanistan strategy
« Reply #99 on: October 11, 2009, 10:44:25 PM »
OBAMA HAS DECIDED!!!!! To end don't ask, don't tell, wow, what could be more important that THAT, dono....COMBAT DEATHS maybe!
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