Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

[DixieBelle]

Did somebody say ham?

I luv you!

[5412]

Hi Guys,

Something is coming down the pike and I am not sure what it is.  Beck is saying the same thing and when it happens the government is going to snap the door shut and before you know it the Constitution and our freedom is gone.  Following is a blurb from a news service I subscribe to that comes from Switzerland.

From (I deleted mans name):"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £´s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something´ is about to happen, unknown re a date-just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."

The following day I got one that is written by another person outside of the country with connections in Argentiana and it said something about "Bank holiday" or "exchange controls" rumors.  At this point one can only speculate what it might be.

Now, tying this idea of being able to shut down the internet means we would all be isolated with only the state controlled Pravda media to listen to.  It would seem to me that the democrat senators better wise up quickly and realize their party has been hijacked by a bunch of radical communists who want to destroy our society...and yes one of the czars even mentioned aparthaid...which means they just come in and take your stuff cause they deserve it an you don't cause you are evil.....

Minute I read that about the internet I queried Ham Radio and learned you can get a license without having to learn the Morse code which makes it a whole lot easier.  If it does hit the fan the Ham Radio operators will really get a workout trying to figure out what is really going on.  Don't know what one of those gadgets cost, but even having the ability to listen in would help.

God, I hope the CIA pulls an end run on BO like they did Bush and start leaking some of the stuff the public needs to know.

In the meantime I guess all we can do is continue to hammer away at our representatives.

regards,
5412

PS:  We will prevail because I still believe in my heart that most Americans respect the constitution and their freedom.  Push them too hard and they damn sure will push back.

[Airwolf]

This is really starting to go badly.

[diesel driver]

Imagine the moonbats' reaction if a Republican senator had introduced such a bill under President Bush.

According to the DUmbasses, we did....

[vesta111]

Hi Guys,

Something is coming down the pike and I am not sure what it is.  Beck is saying the same thing and when it happens the government is going to snap the door shut and before you know it the Constitution and our freedom is gone.  Following is a blurb from a news service I subscribe to that comes from Switzerland.

From (I deleted mans name):"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £´s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something´ is about to happen, unknown re a date-just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."

The following day I got one that is written by another person outside of the country with connections in Argentiana and it said something about "Bank holiday" or "exchange controls" rumors.  At this point one can only speculate what it might be.

Now, tying this idea of being able to shut down the internet means we would all be isolated with only the state controlled Pravda media to listen to.  It would seem to me that the democrat senators better wise up quickly and realize their party has been hijacked by a bunch of radical communists who want to destroy our society...and yes one of the czars even mentioned aparthaid...which means they just come in and take your stuff cause they deserve it an you don't cause you are evil.....

Minute I read that about the internet I queried Ham Radio and learned you can get a license without having to learn the Morse code which makes it a whole lot easier.  If it does hit the fan the Ham Radio operators will really get a workout trying to figure out what is really going on.  Don't know what one of those gadgets cost, but even having the ability to listen in would help.

God, I hope the CIA pulls an end run on BO like they did Bush and start leaking some of the stuff the public needs to know.

In the meantime I guess all we can do is continue to hammer away at our representatives.

regards,
5412

PS:  We will prevail because I still believe in my heart that most Americans respect the constitution and their freedom.  Push them too hard and they damn sure will push back.

My point got lost somewhere about the code.  One can build their own set like people built CB radios back in the 1950 era.   It is easier to triangulate and find a voice Ham Station then one that uses the code.  The same principal applies to licensing the set as it does fire arms.  Once registered police can come for them.  I would not get a license for a ham set for that reason.

The History Chanel had a great story on how in times of need people communicated at long distances.-----Drums, smoke signals, flag bearers, semaphores  etc.  The one that caught my attention was about WW2 and how the enemy's were listening in to our radios and knew our language and the code.

Someone who was brilliant decided to train a whole tribe of American Indians who spoke their own language as radio men.  
They were sent to the South Pacific and drove the Japanese nuts. These 50 or so men and boys helped us win that war and are real HEROS.

We all know that something just ain't right here, We are beginning to think odd thoughts on self preservation  and ways to prepare for the worse scenario --funny what ever is to happen will be something we don't expect or have even thought of.

I believe this is intentional, we are led to believe a flood is coming piling up the sand bags when it fact it is an earthquake and we are totally unprepared for that.

That Son of a bitch G. Beck has me like a time traveler going to live in Berlin in 1932,  Had the party in Germany had the techknowledge we have today, the ability to microchip humans and what not, I may well have a tattoo on my arm for having brown eyes.


American tribes men as radio operaters.

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[LC EFA]

From (I deleted mans name):"Some US embassies worldwide are being advised to purchase massive amounts of local currencies; enough to last them a year. Some embassies are being sent enormous amounts of US cash to purchase currencies from those govts, quietly. But not £´s. Inside the State Dept there is a sense of sadness & foreboding that 'something´ is about to happen, unknown re a date-just that within 180 days, but could be 120-150 days."

As best as I can track it down - the source for this was originally a publication called the "Harry Schultz Letter".

It's a subscription only service but some of their examples are open.

Ron has received huge grassroot $- support. A vote for Ron is not a wasted vote because all the other candidates are useless, in reform terms. Whereas, a Paul vote is USEFUL to educate the public & broadcast to all that citizens want REAL reform, in every
area of govt. Everyone I know is sending a contribution to Ron. They “know” he can’t win (?), but they want to say they are “mad as hell” at the system & all the participants.

http://www.hsletter.com/NewsContent_RonPaul.htm

Just FWIW.

[5412]

My point got lost somewhere about the code.  One can build their own set like people built CB radios back in the 1950 era.   It is easier to triangulate and find a voice Ham Station then one that uses the code.  The same principal applies to licensing the set as it does fire arms.  Once registered police can come for them.  I would not get a license for a ham set for that reason.

The History Chanel had a great story on how in times of need people communicated at long distances.-----Drums, smoke signals, flag bearers, semaphores  etc.  The one that caught my attention was about WW2 and how the enemy's were listening in to our radios and knew our language and the code.

Someone who was brilliant decided to train a whole tribe of American Indians who spoke their own language as radio men.  
They were sent to the South Pacific and drove the Japanese nuts. These 50 or so men and boys helped us win that war and are real HEROS.

We all know that something just ain't right here, We are beginning to think odd thoughts on self preservation  and ways to prepare for the worse scenario --funny what ever is to happen will be something we don't expect or have even thought of.

I believe this is intentional, we are led to believe a flood is coming piling up the sand bags when it fact it is an earthquake and we are totally unprepared for that.

That Son of a bitch G. Beck has me like a time traveler going to live in Berlin in 1932,  Had the party in Germany had the techknowledge we have today, the ability to microchip humans and what not, I may well have a tattoo on my arm for having brown eyes.


American tribes men as radio operaters.

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Hi,

You might find this interesting.  It would seem the indian tribes are ahead of us in many ways.  I am sure you have heard all about the lousy health care system in Canada and how it is illegal to buy good healthcare in Canada outside of the government system.  The indian tribes in Canada are looking in to building heallth care facilities on sovereign tribal land.  I called a friend of mine in FL who is a member of the Seminole tribe and learned they too are discussing it.
I do know one thing, should it all hit the fan, the indians will survive, they still know how.

This particular person I know is a former sheriff, has the largest weapons collection I have ever seen, is one of the best hunters and fishermen I know.  They will never come for his guns, he will just move them back to the tribal land which is in close proximity.  


regards,
5412

[5412]

As best as I can track it down - the source for this was originally a publication called the "Harry Schultz Letter".

It's a subscription only service but some of their examples are open.

Just FWIW.

Hi,

I deleted the name but you are correct.

Nice bit of research,

5412

[bijou]

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2009/08/29/#005336

[Airwolf]

I don't know much about communications but I wouldn't want to be listen into by an EA-6B.EA-18 or an EC-135 and have them announce their precence by sending something my way just because I used a Ham radio set.

[Mr Mannn]

This issue is on fire today, all over the place.  This would, of course, suspend the Constitution. 

Hit the nail on the head. Its the foot in the door. Emergency powers to silence speech means Radio and Fox as well.

What ever emergency Lord O is planning, the freedoms he suspends will never be given back.
eternal martial law. The liberal police state.

We know what he wants. The only question is what pseudo emergency will O use to make his dreams come true?

[rich_t]

It is easier to triangulate and find a voice Ham Station then one that uses the code. 

Completely untrue.

You obviously don't know jack shit about how easy it is to DF (directionally find) any radio transmitter.

Please try to refrain from speaking about stuff that you are so damn ignorant of.

[vesta111]

Completely untrue.

You obviously don't know jack shit about how easy it is to DF (directionally find) any radio transmitter.

Please try to refrain from speaking about stuff that you are so damn ignorant of.

Well excuse me as YOU get all huffy.  darn give a gal a break here.  Back in the 1970's I received my first and only CB license.  The government form I had to fill out was 4 or 5 pages long.  One year after I received that license the rules changed and q-cards were not needed and slowly but surely people stopped sending them out---Except for the Hams.

So we went to all the radio shows, I became fascinated with the expensive set ups the Hams had.  I watched their games and told myself that one day I would have a radio station. 

My Scanner picks up code but is run so fast it all sounds the same.

Every thing I know about Ham  information  is 30+ years old, young man. I did know the code when my boys were young but once they got their badge in Boy Scouts we went on to other things and if you don't use it you loose it.

I appreach your correcting me I am here to learn, not to get kicked because times have changed behind my back

Respectfully, Vesta.

[Thor]

Vesta, just because you have a CB radio license doesn't mean jack shit. I, too, had one of those in the  70s. I was also a radio tech at the time. Communications/Navigation/ Identification/ Radar. A CB radio license doesn't require a person to know ANYTHING about radio, theory, repair, radio transmissions or reception. All it did was give permission to operate a CB radio. One STILL had to take their CB radio set to a licensed tech to get it worked on. My FCC Tech License # is : PG-GB-014810 which allows me to operate and repair any radio transmitter. (Receivers don't require a license to own/ operate.) And, in today's world, one doesn't even NEED a license to operate a CB radio.

Furthermore, rich t is correct. It's quite apparent that you know little or nothing about radio signal detection. If one is so inclined, all they actually need is a carrier wave (that's a transmission with out voice or data. Basically an unmodulated transmission) to triangulate on. It doesn't even need to be a constant carrier wave transmission. So, unless one is transmitting encrypted and in burst transmissions, they can be easily found. Hell, many of the Government equipment CAN track down who has a home computer network , wireless or not.  By the way, it IS illegal to transmit in an encrypted code for the civilian population. The governmental agencies are exempted from this requirement to transmit in plain Morse code or plain language. One civilian exemption is a home network. Those can be encrypted, but the transmitted RF power isn't high enough to be received more than a 1/10th mile away under normal circumstances. There are TONS of rules and it wouldn't be prudent to get into THAT discussion here due to time constraints and the fact that I don't care to play teacher for a couple of years.

[Chris_]

^ Actually the public is allowed to own and operate one communication device that can be encripted, and those are satphones such as the "Iridium System", encryption in these systems is allowed as their use is typically international, and subject to monitoring by hostile governments.

doc

[Thor]

We were discussing the typical HAM radio operators rules, Doc.

§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
...

      (4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification;

Satphones don't fall under the same regs as radio operators. Same with 802.11 encrypted transmissions over a wireless network. If I recall, there are also home cordless telephone systems that have some sort of encryption capability.

[Doc]

We were discussing the typical HAM radio operators rules, Doc.

Satphones don't fall under the same regs as radio operators. Same with 802.11 encrypted transmissions over a wireless network. If I recall, there are also home cordless telephone systems that have some sort of encryption capability.

True....all ham transmissions must be "in the clear", however, some HF digital modes are not easily received without special equipment (typically computers and special software).  Among my other usless creds, I have an "Extra" class ham license, as well as a "First Phone" commercial license......with a couple of endorsements......



doc

[Thor]

True....all ham transmissions must be "in the clear", however, some HF digital modes are not easily received without special equipment (typically computers and special software).  Among my other usless creds, I have an "Extra" class ham license, as well as a "First Phone" commercial license......with a couple of endorsements......



doc

LOL........ they DO seem to be "useless" creds any more. I can't find a job for the life of me in this area of the country and the soon to be ex has ruined any chance of a defense contractor type job for me.

[Chris_]

LOL........ they DO seem to be "useless" creds any more. I can't find a job for the life of me in this area of the country and the soon to be ex has ruined any chance of a defense contractor type job for me.

I thought the same thing fifteen years ago, with an obsolete PhD, and an engineering background in powerplants and aviation electronics, but soon discovered that there were always jobs for engineering types in the TV business, which is where I went, until I finally retired in April.

You might want to take a look at that.......their stuff is always breaking, and they are always looking for folks to fix it.......its the one area where "youth" has a negative value......the older and more experienced that you are, the more you can make.

Little known fact is that the Chief Engineer for a TV station is nearly always the highest paid employee in the place......in a top-ten market, it is not uncommon to see salaries in the $200,000 and up range with bonuses and perks.

doc

[Thor]

Sounds like our backgrounds are similar, except for the PhD. I was an aviation electronics tech for quite a while. I'm also a motorhead and have helped with jet engines while I was active duty. Part of the "Team Concept" I experienced. Worked General Aviation post Navy, then on to Cable TV, where I ultimately became a head end tech.

[vesta111]

Vesta, just because you have a CB radio license doesn't mean jack shit. I, too, had one of those in the  70s. I was also a radio tech at the time. Communications/Navigation/ Identification/ Radar. A CB radio license doesn't require a person to know ANYTHING about radio, theory, repair, radio transmissions or reception. All it did was give permission to operate a CB radio. One STILL had to take their CB radio set to a licensed tech to get it worked on. My FCC Tech License # is : PG-GB-014810 which allows me to operate and repair any radio transmitter. (Receivers don't require a license to own/ operate.) And, in today's world, one doesn't even NEED a license to operate a CB radio.

Furthermore, rich t is correct. It's quite apparent that you know little or nothing about radio signal detection. If one is so inclined, all they actually need is a carrier wave (that's a transmission with out voice or data. Basically an unmodulated transmission) to triangulate on. It doesn't even need to be a constant carrier wave transmission. So, unless one is transmitting encrypted and in burst transmissions, they can be easily found. Hell, many of the Government equipment CAN track down who has a home computer network , wireless or not.  By the way, it IS illegal to transmit in an encrypted code for the civilian population. The governmental agencies are exempted from this requirement to transmit in plain Morse code or plain language. One civilian exemption is a home network. Those can be encrypted, but the transmitted RF power isn't high enough to be received more than a 1/10th mile away under normal circumstances. There are TONS of rules and it wouldn't be prudent to get into THAT discussion here due to time constraints and the fact that I don't care to play teacher for a couple of years.

Well Thor, for me it was a huge deal in that time in my life.

It was akin to the toaster that my grandmother got for a wedding present back in 1918. There was even a write up we have today in the paoer telling of the Army base and divison had all chipped in to buy them a toaster as a wedding present.  Fancy that Demming New Mexico and grand ma got an electric toaster before most people had flush toilets.

Much like the very first color TV that had to be degaussed, last one I had was 1969 or so.

Can't tell you what my feelings were getting my very first PC.  The darn thing came with 100 pounds of books and instructions---1991.   Everyone in the family had a go at setting it up and we crashed that machine 3 times a day for weeks. 
The college kids that worked the customer service soon recognised our voices yelling for help and some did hang up on us a time or too.

The boys that spent their weekends raising hell and riding their hogs soon began to drive me nuts,   they stopped going anywhere at night after work.

I told them finally after putting up with that crap to buy their own PC. I never got to use it, they fought over the time: as back then we only got about 20 hours a month free on AOL and had to pay for extra time.

Yupo Thor these new inventions are a big deal to some of us who never imagined they could learn how to use The Microwave, remote controlls and learning how to tape programs when you are not at home---WOW to run anything but a push mower, Amazing.

Most of us woman watched our dads put penny's behind the house fuses or slugs----Our dads were not that well educated in electronics and I don't believe my grandparents on either side had an electrical box with no fuses. 

Got to remember that even today on a ship yard it is unusual to see a woman sand blasting
or lugging the heavy tanks of gas to do a welding job on the other side of the yard.

I don't just except new concepts in life as "Oh well" I am fascinated by the new ideas and want to jump right in over my head into buying toys I cannot afford, Cameras I forget how to work, cell phones that I seldom use so I forget my phone number and cannot top off after 6 months.

Big deal for a woman alone thousands of miles from family with kids to be able to call home base and talk with the babysitter, to call for help if the car breaks down or ask directions from the truckers when lost in a strange place.

This was a god send to us wives alone 6-10 months of the year, it inpowered us, gave us a sence of securiety and made life so much more secure then Our mothers lifes when our fathers left for war.

I still have one in my car, I should check it to see if it even works.  Cell phones are freat for calling a friend when problems arise, but the CB has dozens of people listening in ready to help.

I ran into trouble right after leaving Californa with 4 kids 2 in diapers and a Saint Bernard riding shot gun.   Into Az. on Rt 10 I got hung up 5 times with road work and detours for miles.

I was freaking lost no cell phone to call for help and I was running out of gas and patientce.

Dog was droowling 2 gallons of slime an hour, I had no chance to change diapers so the car stunk so bad our eyes ran.  Some where in the heat of 120 degrees and no air conditioning I managed to enlist the 10 year old to look for trucks with Maine plates.

She found one headed east and i managed to contact him on the truckers channel.  The trucker had brought out a load of Lobster to Long Beach and was carrying aratchokes back to boston.    What the hell are aratichokes, I had never seen one before.

We had 3 or 4 truckers tracking us, leading us to truck stops and cheap motels.












 

[JohnnyReb]

Of course "The One" wants to control the internet and other forms of commincation.      ...when the revolution comes, he don't want you freepers bragging to each other about how well it's going.

[vesta111]

Of course "The One" wants to control the internet and other forms of communications.      ...when the revolution comes, he don't want you freepers bragging to each other about how well it's going.

Trying to understand why the government allowed this to be publicized in the first place.

Naturally there will be sponsored sites on government owned company's that most people never hear of. 

I have AOL and comcast, those can be shut down and I am without the ability to reach out.
will be forced to rely on some radio and news papers.

Those in strategic positions  will be able to communicate on the govern Com.

Oh yes one Com. that anyone can access will be left open, the site of mis-comunication and propaganda.

Forget learning Spanish, I am back to attempting to re learn Morris code and You know how the kids text on their phones, that may be a good way to learn code.  See you later is cul that's a start just 3 letters.

Down to the hobby shop and a cheap kit on how to build your own radio.  I saw one at radio Shack years ago, it was under $90.00.

[vesta111]

Vesta, just because you have a CB radio license doesn't mean jack shit. I, too, had one of those in the 70s. I was also a radio tech at the time. Communications/Navigation/ Identification/ Radar. A CB radio license doesn't require a person to know ANYTHING about radio, theory, repair, radio transmissions or reception. All it did was give permission to operate a CB radio. One STILL had to take their CB radio set to a licensed tech to get it worked on. My FCC Tech License # is : PG-GB-014810 which allows me to operate and repair any radio transmitter. (Receivers don't require a license to own/ operate.) And, in today's world, one doesn't even NEED a license to operate a CB radio.

Furthermore, rich t is correct. It's quite apparent that you know little or nothing about radio signal detection. If one is so inclined, all they actually need is a carrier wave (that's a transmission with out voice or data. Basically an unmodulated transmission) to triangulate on. It doesn't even need to be a constant carrier wave transmission. So, unless one is transmitting encrypted and in burst transmissions, they can be easily found. Hell, many of the Government equipment CAN track down who has a home computer network , wireless or not.  By the way, it IS illegal to transmit in an encrypted code for the civilian population. The governmental agencies are exempted from this requirement to transmit in plain Morse code or plain language. One civilian exemption is a home network. Those can be encrypted, but the transmitted RF power isn't high enough to be received more than a 1/10th mile away under normal circumstances. There are TONS of rules and it wouldn't be prudent to get into THAT discussion here due to time constraints and the fact that I don't care to play teacher for a couple of years.

Wether you like it or not Thor, you are a teacher of a multitude of subjects for me.  Now for everyone else here they may not need to learn anything as they have it, but I am sure that there are more then just me that learns from all of you.

I cannot just retire, tend the roses and read romance novels----\

So I went on a 6 hour journey via internet to see what ham is all about in today's world.

No 1#  There are thousands of sites devoted to ham radio, selling, buying and free information on how to pass all tests. 

2#  One site for $18,00 will send one a CD of code put to music---like the Alphabet song for  kids.

What is this that I out of no where become interested in code ----why are others also wanting to learn the craft-language of code. I don't even want to get into why fads take off and the people that decide to do something that they never thought of before now, they  march with glazed eyes to know or be part of the fad.

I would love to hear code on the drums as a back up to music---I remember when a popular song was recorded with the drum beat  of a healthy heart as it approached  sexual climax.


As I mentioned before the code the kids and adults use to text on cell phones is a darn good way to start. 

Going to practice with 2 drum sticks I caught, one at a Rush Concert and one from Molly Hatchet Riot.  most fun----I am not your usual grand mother, no cookies in the oven but I have the Doors blasting in the family room.

[NHSparky]

Trying to understand why the government allowed this to be publicized in the first place.

They don't have a choice.  It's a matter of record.  Then again, they don't have to make it easy to find, either, and that's a lot of what happened in this case.