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babylonsister  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-20-09 07:17 AM
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Snakes on the glades – Florida launches mass python hunt
 
Death of Shaiunna Hare, two, sparks state to license trappers to hunt up to 100,000 pythons on the loose owing to exotic pet fad

B199GE Adult female Burmese python (Python molurus), escaped captive, Everglades National Park, Florida. Photograph: All Canada Photos / Alamy/Alamy

The death of a Florida toddler in the coils of an 8ft (2.5 metre) Burmese python has sparked an official crackdown to eradicate a menacing population of slithering predators in the sun-drenched holiday state.

A small band of newly licensed trappers hit the trail this week of pythons living in the swampy wetlands of southern Florida. Experts believe that as many as 100,000 of the reptiles are loose in the region, in an unfortunate outcome of a fad for keeping exotic pets.

Earlier this month, a two-year-old girl, Shaiunna Hare, was strangled to death in her bedroom near Orlando by a python belonging to her mother's boyfriend. The snake had escaped its glass cage during the night and wrapped itself around the child's crib.

The tragedy galvanised Florida's politicians into action over mounting alarm about the danger posed by pythons, which grow as long as 8 metres, weigh up to 89kg (14 stone) and can eat animals as big as deer.

"It's just a matter of time before one of these snakes gets to a visitor in the Florida Everglades," said Bill Nelson, a Democratic senator from the state.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6106338

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Chulanowa  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-20-09 07:25 AM
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1. Gotta like that.
 A pet snake kills a kid, so they go after all the feral ones instead of, you know, putting better regs on the ones kept around kids.

If you get eaten by a snake in the everglades, well, tough shit, snake's gotta eat, too.
 

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RebelOne  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-20-09 07:30 AM
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3. All I can say is that snake was probably hungry
and hadn't been fed. I have had pet boa constrictors and they will not attack anything unless they are really hungry.

 
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Chulanowa  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-20-09 07:39 AM
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5. Probably. Lots of underfed reptiles out there
Seems owners mistake "doesn't need to eat often" with "you don't need to feed them"

I used to keep turtles, myself, but I let them go (they were locals, it was cool) because I was worried about feeding them properly


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Chulanowa  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-20-09 08:08 AM
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9. Oh, I understand the ecological problems
 I just think the logic given here is silly. "We're hunting them down 'cause someone's pet killed a kid, and someday one of these escapes might do that too" makes a lot less sense than "We're getting rid of them 'cause they're not supposed to be here"
 

Finally, DUmmy cboy4, often the victim of vicious attacks himself, makes a sensible comment:
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cboy4  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-20-09 07:26 AM
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2. How about we license trappers to hunt down and eradicate a menacing
population of idiotic parents who keep dangerous wild animals around their children?
 

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 10:47:52 AM »
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cboy4  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jul-20-09 07:26 AM
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2. How about we license trappers to hunt down and eradicate a menacing
population of idiotic Dimocrats who are ruining the country and the economy?

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 10:52:23 AM »
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Chulanowa  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-20-09 07:25 AM
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1. Gotta like that.
 A pet snake kills a kid, so they go after all the feral ones instead of, you know, putting better regs on the ones kept around kids.

If you get eaten by a snake in the everglades, well, tough shit, snake's gotta eat, too.

Think about applying this to guns...it's not hard to do and you'll see where their 'logic' comes from.

It's why DUmmies want to go after law abiding people who occasionally have an accident versus criminals(feral ones).

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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 10:55:15 AM »
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Finally, DUmmy cboy4, often the victim of vicious attacks himself, makes a sensible comment:

WOW! I think this is the second time I agree with a DUmmie! Any parent who keeps a snake, let alone one that is big enough to eat a kid, should spend some "hard" time in a cell with Ben Dover!
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 11:12:56 AM »
Think about applying this to guns...it's not hard to do and you'll see where their 'logic' comes from.

It's why DUmmies want to go after law abiding people who occasionally have an accident versus criminals(feral ones).

Jtyangel, if I had a Hi5 button, you'd have one right now.  That was a PERFECT analogy, which of course, the DUmmies will never understand.

Better yet I'd probably plant a big, wet, slurpy kiss on ya, if you weren't spoken for, and I wasn't married and nothing in the universe was as it is now...
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 11:14:54 AM »
Blame this on climate change, Alligators are moving up the inter coastal highway and have been hit by cars as far as 25 miles south of VA. Beach.

Actually I don't think the numbers of humans killed by a wild beast comes close to those that die from infected cat or dog bites each year.

The problem is for anyone who has heard of the DODO Bird and their extinction is the up set in balance when new predators arrive and breed like crazy.

Around the world there are beautiful examples, Austrialia is one that brought in a specie to eradicate one problem and ended up with another worse problem.

It is impossible to stop the introduction of all new species of insects on food being shipped in from some place far away.

However, a 10 foot Python is not going to go unnoticed for long.
 
Just running in and knocking them off  is a waste of time and money.

My idea is that we create a demand for their meat and skin, Rattle Snake boots and hand bags are gorgeous and people do eat them.

With a large clothing industry built around them, it won't take but 10 years to have them placed on the indangered list. :whatever: :whatever:

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 11:17:36 AM »
Jtyangel, if I had a Hi5 button, you'd have one right now.  That was a PERFECT analogy, which of course, the DUmmies will never understand.

Better yet I'd probably plant a big, wet, slurpy kiss on ya, if you weren't spoken for, and I wasn't married and nothing in the universe was as it is now...

I gotta tell you that cracked me up!  :cheersmate: :lmao:

I knew peeps here would understand what I was seeing in those words. :cheersmate:

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 11:18:12 AM »
Blame this on climate change,

Uh, no.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 11:19:54 AM »
Blame this on climate change, Alligators are moving up the inter coastal highway and have been hit by cars as far as 25 miles south of VA. Beach.

Uh, try again.  It's called spreading population encroaching on formerly wild territory.

And as far as "climate change", you are aware that wine and citrus was growing in southern England as late as the 14th Century, are you not?
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 11:25:25 AM »
Blame this on climate change
Uh, no.
Now we're getting somewhere! An argument between a DUmmy and a ronbot!
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2009, 12:24:04 PM »
I dunno...the snake was only doing what snakes do.  The parents were the morons here.  And going after all the (now) wild boas is just stupid.

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 03:28:09 PM »
Uh, try again.  It's called spreading population encroaching on formerly wild territory.

And as far as "climate change", you are aware that wine and citrus was growing in southern England as late as the 14th Century, are you not?

Back in the late 1950's I had to write a paper and have something to show for a science class.

Dad came up with an interesting suggestion. For 22 years he had been a hard hat rescue diver stationed aboard ASR's and Some I remember had the names of birds, Chanticleer, Sunbird  etc.

All his carear he was fascinated with the coral reefs off Key West, way before, and after  I was born he was stationed In Panama to clean up and salvage stuff  from the war.

This man was fascinated with coral, loved the stuff and had a huge collection going back to 1938 and his first few dives.  He was in the 2 nd. class to graduate from the brand new diving tank in Rotten Groten Conn. I know that has been moved to Fla, but it was a must for divers and Sub Sailors to have that experience until about 15 years ago.

He at the end of his carear began to notice odd changes in some coral, he put it down to the way spent waste from nuclear plants was disposed of at that time.    The waste was packed in metal drums then in cased in cement.   These were taken out so far by navy ships and dumped off the fan tail.   

When I presented my ideas that Dad helped me with and exhibits of the small beginnings of changes in the coral, the school refused to except my project as being too controversial

 10 years later on dad as a pleasure diver went back to his old haunts off Key West and drove us all nuts as he could not believe what he was seeing. He did an abrupt turn and began looking at what else could be causing all the severe changes.   He never settled on any one explanation sort of an mixture between climate change and pollution from natural causes and man made.

At one point he stood on his front yard in Southern Maine and told me that perhaps in the life time of my great grand children they would be able to plant orange trees in that area.

Dad believed in natural change, man made change, and some changes made by accident in the Cosmos.

Hapens, the climate changes, volcano's erupt and spray so much in the atmosphere that the dark ages can ensue for a few years in places we would never expect.

Crap happens and at this time of living on planet earth, we better know as much about how to change ourselves to accommodate us, ADAPT OR DIE.





 

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 03:37:58 PM »
Back in the late 1950's I had to write a paper and have something to show for a science class.

Dad came up with an interesting suggestion. For 22 years he had been a hard hat rescue diver stationed aboard ASR's and Some I remember had the names of birds, Chanticleer, Sunbird  etc.

All his carear he was fascinated with the coral reefs off Key West, way before, and after  I was born he was stationed In Panama to clean up and salvage stuff  from the war.

This man was fascinated with coral, loved the stuff and had a huge collection going back to 1938 and his first few dives.  He was in the 2 nd. class to graduate from the brand new diving tank in Rotten Groten Conn. I know that has been moved to Fla, but it was a must for divers and Sub Sailors to have that experience until about 15 years ago.

He at the end of his carear began to notice odd changes in some coral, he put it down to the way spent waste from nuclear plants was disposed of at that time.    The waste was packed in metal drums then in cased in cement.   These were taken out so far by navy ships and dumped off the fan tail.   

When I presented my ideas that Dad helped me with and exhibits of the small beginnings of changes in the coral, the school refused to except my project as being too controversial

 10 years later on dad as a pleasure diver went back to his old haunts off Key West and drove us all nuts as he could not believe what he was seeing. He did an abrupt turn and began looking at what else could be causing all the severe changes.   He never settled on any one explanation sort of an mixture between climate change and pollution from natural causes and man made.

At one point he stood on his front yard in Southern Maine and told me that perhaps in the life time of my great grand children they would be able to plant orange trees in that area.

Dad believed in natural change, man made change, and some changes made by accident in the Cosmos.

Hapens, the climate changes, volcano's erupt and spray so much in the atmosphere that the dark ages can ensue for a few years in places we would never expect.

Crap happens and at this time of living on planet earth, we better know as much about how to change ourselves to accommodate us, ADAPT OR DIE.



Regretably, this post makes no sense whatsoever.

But I'm sure there is some state of altered consciousness in which it seems to.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 03:55:45 PM »
Regretably, this post makes no sense whatsoever.

But I'm sure there is some state of altered consciousness in which it seems to.

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one that made no sense of that rambling missive.

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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 04:04:48 PM »
The Climate has been cooling or warming forever. Long before humans ever lit a fire there was more CO2 in the air than there is now. Long before man ever ever chopped down a tree on purpose entire forests were felled often by lightening-ignited forest fires.

A single volcanic eruption would spew more particulate matter into the atmosphere than man has done in a hundred years.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2009, 06:52:02 PM »
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RebelOne  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jul-20-09 07:30 AM
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3. All I can say is that snake was probably hungry
and hadn't been fed. I have had pet boa constrictors and they will not attack anything unless they are really hungry.

RebelOne is full of shit.....boas will strike many times...I've had boas and I want a python(but Cowboy is afraid of snakes)
To me there is somethin "hinky" about that little girl bein killed by a "pet" snake....
In Tennessee. I came down here to get warm,froze my arse off since I got here..
Just my luck... ;-P

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Snake Killing Child And Sympathize - With The Snake
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2009, 07:46:41 PM »
There's something fatally "hinky" about anyone who would have in their home a snake big enough to kill their child.