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DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« on: July 14, 2009, 11:44:26 PM »
First DUmmy BUnny alerts to the possibility that a democrats may outlaw dusty farms, perhaps appointing a Dust Czar.
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EPA: Farming dust should be regulated
DES MOINES, Iowa - Nothing says summer in Iowa like a cloud of dust behind a combine.

But what may be a fact of life for farmers is a cause for concern to federal regulators, who are refusing to exempt growers from new environmental regulations.

It's left some farmers feeling bemused and more than a little frustrated.

"It's such a non-commonsense idea that you can keep dust within a property line when the wind blows," said Sen. Charles Grassley, a member of the Senate Agriculture Committee who still farms in northeast Iowa.

Under rules imposed in 2006, rural areas would be kept to the same standards as urban areas for what the Environmental Protection Agency calls "coarse particulate matter" in the air.

The American Farm Bureau Federation and the National Pork Producers Council had petitioned the government to provide an exemption to farmers. They argued that evidence of harm caused by dust in rural areas hasn't been determined.

But the U.S. District Court of Appeals in Washington ruled Tuesday that the EPA had already provided the evidence necessary to determine farm dust "likely is not safe."

Michael Formica, a lawyer for the pork council, said this means farmers face the daunting task of proving a negative - that the dust is not harmful...
 

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DUmmy vadawg apparently does not realize that farming practices are best left to be regulated democrats inside the Beltway.
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vadawg  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-14-09 10:44 PM
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1. what next, dust from dirt roads, i hate to break it to the EPA
but stour from fields and dust are parts of the rural experience, i wouldnt swap the dust from my farmroad for all the pollution of the DC beltway no matter what.
 

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lindisfarne (1000+ posts)     Tue Jul-14-09 10:44 PM
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2. No-till farming would help. Saves the earthworms, too.
Rarely in a discussion of agriculture does someone stop to think of worm welfare.


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lindisfarne (1000+ posts)     Tue Jul-14-09 10:57 PM

4. EPA needs to worry about the effects of manure pits, pesticides, fertilizers, and yes, dust. They 
need to evaluate the negative effects of each. They need to provide advice on how to mitigate negative effects if possible, and decide when the negative effects are so serious as to merit steps to prevent (such as not allowing CAFOs, making certain pesticides illegal, and so on).
 

The communists in the Kenyan's administration should outlaw manure, pesticides, fertilizers, and yes, dust.

None of those things would be necessary if we converted our national diet to exclusively frozen and canned foods. There's never a speck of dust when you open a DiGiorno's pizza box. No manure in a can of barbecued pork, as far as I can tell.


DUmmy tularetom understands the reasons for American agriculture being so inefficient and unproductive. With more government regulation, American farmers may someday be able to feed most of the world and provide an affordable diet for the masses of starving Americans.
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tularetom  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-14-09 11:14 PM
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9. Sometimes farmers need to be told what to do for their own good
 like the guys who planted the same crops year after year after year until they leached all the nitrogen and phosphorus out of the soil.

And the guys who didn't practice contour planting and watched their hillsides erode away from wind and water.

Yep farmers always know better than them pointy headed intellectuals workin for the guvmint.

Farmers are the best in the world at shitting in their own food dish.

And before somebody gets in my face I was a farm kid and I still live on 40 acres of dry pasture out here.


It would all probably work a lot better if they would take all the land away from the kulaks, then have the peasant farmers band together in communes. History tells us that collectivization is the way to maximize agricultural output, and be good stewards to the planet. And remember the children. And the earthworms.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 11:50:36 PM »
Oh my.

And the primitives gripe about "high" grocery prices.

One wonders why that is.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 12:01:44 AM »
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts)     Tue Jul-14-09 10:44 PM
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2. No-till farming would help. Saves the earthworms, too.

Does this idiot have any idea what a tiller is and why it's used?  I'll assume that the typical DUmmie thinks that just throwing seed on the ground will yield the same crop results as employing the latest technology concerning farming.  After all, they believe that getting mold, mildew and soap scum to grow in their showers makes them farmers.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 12:36:05 AM »
While Michael DUkakis was campaigning to be destroyed by Bush 41 in 1988, farm prices were down. During a speech in Iowa, he seriously suggested that Iowa farmers consider converting their fields from corn and soybeans to Belgian endive. It's a good bet that not one person in his audience had ever heard of Belgian endive. In the following 21 years, democrats have become no smarter. (Believe it or not, DUkakis carried Iowa that year, but they continued to plant corn and beans.)

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 12:47:28 AM »
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Rarely in a discussion of agriculture does someone stop to think of worm welfare.

Ya gots to be kiddin'! SAVE THE WORMS???? Bwahahahahahahaha!

I farm around 80 acres of hay. Every 3 years we plant a crop to till into the soil to replace nutrients. These dipshits don't have a clue! Talk about a whole class of people that need to starve to death! I wonder how long they can live on rice cakes and tofu turkey?

sheesh, what morans!
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 12:57:18 AM »
Oh my.

And the primitives gripe about "high" grocery prices.

One wonders why that is.

Anyone who thinks dust can be kept from blowing around is a morbidly ignorant idiot. If these people were in charge we'd soon have food shortages and bread lines.

... oh crap... they ARE in charge.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 01:02:47 AM »
tularetom may be a "farm kid", but he's also a total dipshit.

I doubt he'd know which end of the cow to put a feed bucket under, and which end to put a shovel under....

Probably think a cow's horns go "HONK" or "BEEP"....

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 01:09:18 AM »
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2. No-till farming would help. Saves the earthworms, too.

OMFG!  Don't these "geniuses" know that a combine is a piece of equipment used to HARVEST, not TILL!

Trust me, a lot of farmers use no-till, because it saves tons on diesel fuel, but you have to use more herbicide.

I'd love to put these DUmmies on a farm and watch them grow their own food.

They'd all starve to death within a year.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2009, 01:13:52 AM »
OMFG!  Don't these "geniuses" know that a combine is a piece of equipment used to HARVEST, not TILL!

Trust me, a lot of farmers use no-till, because it saves tons on diesel fuel, but you have to use more herbicide.

I'd love to put these DUmmies on a farm and watch them grow their own food.

They'd all starve to death within a year.

Just imagine the first time they had to birth a calf! Or even a kitten for that matter! Hahahahahahaha!
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2009, 01:17:58 AM »
Just imagine the first time they had to birth a calf! Or even a kitten for that matter! Hahahahahahaha!

Good one!

They'd be hacking and puking in no time.  I wonder how many can tell if the calf is a breech or not by the way the feet are turned....

Trust me, if it's a beech, you can't get it out of the cow fast enough.  Very few calves survive....
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2009, 01:20:33 AM »
Good one!

They'd be hacking and puking in no time.  I wonder how many can tell if the calf is a breech or not by the way the feet are turned....

Trust me, if it's a beech, you can't get it out of the cow fast enough.  Very few calves survive....

I generally just hook 'em up to a come-a-long! Happens real fast! Usually will save mama and baby!
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2009, 02:58:06 AM »
I generally just hook 'em up to a come-a-long! Happens real fast! Usually will save mama and baby!

Daddy made a gadget like the vet had....and I was pulling calves at age 10 or 12. ....puking the whole time tho. Nothing like trying to eat breakfast after being shoulder deep in a cows ass.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2009, 03:06:06 AM »
Daddy made a gadget like the vet had....and I was pulling calves at age 10 or 12. ....puking the whole time tho. Nothing like trying to eat breakfast after being shoulder deep in a cows ass.

I know watcha mean! I "pulled" my first calf when I was 10! It got easier as time went on. Now It's just something that has to be done.

As a matter of fact my grandaughter, who is 12 (almost 13, according to her), helped me with the last one. She didn't have a problem at all, she'd seen plenty before. Could be ya just need a little education beforehand so it's not so traumatic.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2009, 06:59:08 AM »
Just ban dirt from farms. That will solve the dust problem.  :thatsright:

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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2009, 07:09:15 AM »
May I offer a round of applause for our gentlemen farmers here who help in cows giving birth and saving mother and baby?  You guys are the salt of the earth.  Not the dust, like the DUmmies. 

Incidentally, my stepdaughter is at this moment having a baby, so I just had to comment.   :-)

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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2009, 07:22:04 AM »


Incidentally, my stepdaughter is at this moment having a baby, so I just had to comment.   :-)

Congrats, grandma!

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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2009, 07:27:01 AM »
My guess is those who are concerned about dust in the air have never heard of gravity.

Hey, if you cut a worm in two, don't you get two worms?

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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2009, 07:38:02 AM »
I don't see a problem with eliminating the dust. They just need another vehicle going behind the "working" vehicle with a big water tank and a sprayer on it. [/dumode]

I used to hate helping to bale hay.

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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2009, 08:01:25 AM »
So I'm guessing the EPA is now going to ban wind and tornadoes?
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2009, 08:04:34 AM »
May I offer a round of applause for our gentlemen farmers here who help in cows giving birth and saving mother and baby?  You guys are the salt of the earth.  Not the dust, like the DUmmies. 

Incidentally, my stepdaughter is at this moment having a baby, so I just had to comment.   :-)

I hope it comes out well for both mother and infant, madam.

Congratulations!

As for this calf-pulling stuff, I myself was eyewitness to one instance.

It was, uh, rather an interesting thing to see.
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  Thank you, but Yikes!  I'm only 45!

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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2009, 08:28:54 AM »
They'd all starve to death within a year.

DREAM COME TRUE!  :cheersmate:


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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2009, 12:03:46 PM »
Great!    Now the combine that costs $250,000 is going to cost $500,000, in order to keep the dust under control........

These geniuses pissed and moaned when their grand idea to turn grain crops into fuel drove the cost of everything up so high that the "poor Mexicans" couldn't afford corn meal to make tortillas, now they want to do it AGAIN.......

Don't they ever think these things through..........there is more dust generated by folks driving up and down the gravel roads by our farmland (which incidently happens every day that it doesn't rain), than a combine would generate in 50 years of harvesting.......I suppose that cars and trucks will have "dust abatement devices" required now as well.........or perhaps they will just tax the hell out of us and pave all of the farm roads.......

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Banning Dust On Farms
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tularetom  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-14-09 11:14 PM
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9. Sometimes farmers need to be told what to do for their own good

Typical arrogant asshole. You don't have to be intelligent as long as you can pretend you know better how to run everyone's life. If I need help with my farm the last person I'll ask is someone from the EPA. I call the extension office, talk to other farmers, ask someone at homesteading.com.

Suddenly, I have a desire to go plow a field.

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