legendary herb primitive makes no sale

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6004615

Oh my.

The great Failure of Skins's island, the legendary herb primitive.

And to think that if the legendary herb primitive used his writing skills in other directions--directions far opposite from politics--the legendary herb primitive would be a Success, not a Failure.

franksolich is truly saddened.

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 02:45 AM
Original message
 
No Sale 

You can't sell peace to war profiteers. Can't do it. They won't buy. You can't sell the truth to habitual liars. They're not interested. You can't sell election reform to those who get what they want with the system in place as it is now. It's just not possible.

You can't sell fair play to a cheater. If they can't guarantee a win, they won't play.

You can't sell equal rights and equal access to a bigot. All the sincerity and all the honesty in the world doesn't matter.

You can't sell reproductive choice and freedom to people who think they have a "God-Given" right to dictate their conscience to other people. It's just not happening.

You can't sell equal justice to those who exist and thrive by pushing injustice.

You can't sell alternative energy to the oil companies, or universal healthcare to the insurance companies. They have no reason to buy it and every reason to oppose it.

You can't sell liberalism to those who've sworn to destroy us. There's no common ground between those who believe in serving all of us and those who have dedicated themselves to serving only a small group of the powerful elite.

It's just not possible. How can we hope to gain ground when they believe EVERYTHING we stand for is simply wrong? When people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and a host of others spend every waking moment trying to think of new ways of marginalizing our message? When powerful and wealthy religious leaders call us evil and those we support "demon-possessed?"

I'm trying to figure out precisely how we're supposed to make peace, how to attain "bi-partisanship" without giving up everything for which we stand.

I know there are those who believe that, somehow, against all evidence to the contrary, there is common ground to be found. We already know we don't see things the same way, that the mechanics of our brains are totally different. So many of them are trapped in an either/or, black/white, right/wrong dichotomy that our perspective might as well be that of a completely alien species to them.

There might actually BE common ground, but I'm not sure how we can find it. We believe peace is possible, they believe it's not. We believe that there's value in a world where everyone can prosper, they believe that prospering is a "God-Given" boon and any failure to do so is proof of God's disfavor or, at best, evidence of a lack of moral character.

What common ground we may have is buried under six inches of swamp water infested with venomous snakes. How long can we afford to stand there waiting for them to meet us there without risking a multitude of snake bites in the meantime?

Yes, there IS the possibility of reaching out to those who have been misguided into thinking that the Republican Party has their interests at heart. But how do we do so when they control nearly every avenue for making that reach?

"Blind taste tests" reveal that a vast majority of Americans actually support progressive goals. Yet somehow in the midst of the so-called "culture war" we can't seem to make the connection between what they say they want and how we can bring it into being.

It's not the middle-of-the-road, triangulated, corporate-friendly centrism that speaks to them. It's far more progressive than that. Yet when we come to do battle with the other side, we don't seem to be able to speak to the attitudes we share. We hide it away, and allow the Republicans, and the complicit corporate media, to define who we are and what we want America to be. We don't strive to define ourselves, and marginalize those with the courage to do so.

And wonder why the collective response of all too many Americans turns out to be "No Sale."

Now, this is odd:

Horse with no Name  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 03:02 AM
Response to Original message
 
1. Amazing post

simply amazing and absolutely true.

I think you need to send this far and wide.

Background: a couple of years ago, the "greenbriar" primitive "borrowed" something the legendary herb primitive posted, alleging it was her own.  The "greenbriar" primitive got caught, and was temporarily tossed off Skins's island.

The legendary herb primitive--the one who got robbed here, remember--was a subject of much violent and vicious attack by three two old biddies, the primitive woman bothered by cold weather (the "TroubleInWinter" primitive), and.....Ms. Ed, the unappellated eohippus.

They ripped the kid apart, because the "greenbriar" primitive had been suspended.

Even though the legendary herb primitive was the victim, not the criminal.

Anyway.

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #1
 
2. Thank you... 

Not sure where to send it. It's too long for a LTTE. DU is the best venue I've found for possibly getting the most people to see something, and I've always given permission to share anything I write as long as the proper attribution is included.

Well, alas and alack for the legendary herb primitive; Skins's island is no venue.

Horse with no Name  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
 
3. How about starting with congressional members

Personally I am still livid that Baucus has not been removed from his committee for conflict of interest.

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 03:31 AM
Response to Reply #3
 
5. I think our whole setup has become a conflict of interest... Grrr... 

But, yeah, good suggestion. I may edit it a little, add a few more gotchas, but sending it to Congress might be a very fine idea.

Right now I'd settle for a handful of recs.

A handful of "recs" from primitives is all the legendary herb primitive's ever going to get, as long as he sticks with politics, avoiding writing about things he knows something about.

No $$$$$, only "recs."

And those, from......primitives.

[Lord Undies]

Fail.  Very childish and dishonestly simplistic.  Intellectually empty of anything deeper than a veneer.  Creepy.

Yawn.

[The Village Idiot]

Thats not up to 5th grade standards, or 12th in public schools

[Vagabond]

When liberals twist words and meanings to the point that they have no discernible relationship to the original meaning of the word, they are right.  I have no common ground or use for them.

[Carl]

Blind taste tests" reveal that a vast majority of Americans actually support progressive goals. Yet somehow in the midst of the so-called "culture war" we can't seem to make the connection between what they say they want and how we can bring it into being.

No shit..ask a small child if they want a cookie and what will always be the answer?
Ask an adult if they want everything in life for nothing and the answer will be the same...sure.

Ask a thinking responsible adult and they will say it isn`t possible or even good for society as a whole.
They aren`t DUmmies.

[franksolich]

Thats not up to 5th grade standards, or 12th in public schools

You know, I used to have high hopes for the legendary herb primitive, a couple of years ago.

When the legendary herb primitive has written about things he knows about, such as ordinary people, ordinary events, he's done pretty good.

It's very difficult to make the ordinary interesting, and the legendary herb primitive does have that skill, although given his young age, it's still somewhat immature.

But the legendary herb primitive refuses to use and develop that skill, which could gain him much if used, concentrating instead on "fantasy" and politics, things about which the legendary herb primitive knows nothing.

Someone with the intricate skills of a tool-and-die maker settling for being a janitor, or someone with the skills of a physician settling for being a fast-food cook, is what it's like.

You know, my religion compels me to think well of people, and there's some primitives for whom, initially, I've had a respect.  But the primitives never fail to let franksolich down; the primitives always disappoint.

Of course, the classic blunder was that of trying to make Pedro Picasso a gift to humanity, when he first showed up at our old home.  That was a gigantic flop, but everybody already knows that.

[The Village Idiot]

Your right of course...

gigantic flop

made me think of pancakes and bacon!!!

[JohnnyReb]

"that the mechanics of our brains are totally different"....well dang, that bucket of dirt had a gem in it after all.

[franksolich]

"that the mechanics of our brains are totally different"....well dang, that bucket of dirt had a gem in it after all.

You know, sir, I found this particularly stupid:

Blind taste tests" reveal that a vast majority of Americans actually support progressive goals. Yet somehow in the midst of the so-called "culture war" we can't seem to make the connection between what they say they want and how we can bring it into being.

If franksolich took a "blind taste test," he would probably rate as a wild-eyed "progressive."

franksolich wishes peace on earth, no more poverty, no more illness, no child left behind, &c., &c., &c., ad nauseam.

However, franksolich sees the "progessive" "means" of attaining those particular "goals" as bringing nothing but more strife, more deprivation, more afflictions, more injustice.

That was really a stupid comment on the legendary herb primitive's part.

[Karin]

Greenbriar plagairized someone on DU, at the DU itself?  Plagairism is the lamest and most pathetic of all crimes.  Displays incompetence, laziness, lack of character, disregard for anybody else.  What did she think she was getting away with?   Oh, hello Joe.  

[franksolich]

Greenbriar plagairized someone on DU, at the DU itself?  Plagairism is the lamest and most pathetic of all crimes.  Displays incompetence, laziness, lack of character, disregard for anybody else.  What did she think she was getting away with?   Oh, hello Joe.

Oh yes, the "greenbiar" primitive did exactly that; she took the complete work of the legendary herb primitive and re-posted it as her original stuff, and got suspended for it.

It created a big uproar on Skins's island, the primitive woman bothered by cold weather and Ms. Ed leading the charge against the legendary herb primitive, in violence, invectives, Hate, fury, bile, and excresence-flinging against the victim.

It was a classic example of the Democrat, liberal, and primitive "cult of the personality" thing.

It didn't matter what the "greenbriar" primitive did (stealing the legendary herb primitives' work); it mattered only who the "greenbriar" primitive was, and because the "greenbriar" primitive was who she was, it didn't matter what she did.

[Ralph Wiggum]

DU is the best venue I've found for possibly getting the most people to see something

 

[Karin]

DU is the best venue I've found for possibly getting the most people to see something

 

   I missed that the first time around!  The BEST for the MOST?   Liberalism truly is a mental disease. 
Frank, I'm surprised that legendary herb would even come back to the DU after such treatment.  I know I wouldn't.  Who needs to be treated like shit?  Find a new damn forum.  You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

That's actually a pretty terrible piece of writing, it has no thesis or direction, it is just a litany on the futility of persuading the other side, which it eventually emerges to mean 'Republicans,' and it's chock full of similes that are never well-elaborated and therefore (More-or-less correctly) make the whole thing appear to be pointless self-indulgent hyperbole.

[franksolich]

Frank, I'm surprised that legendary herb would even come back to the DU after such treatment.  I know I wouldn't.  Who needs to be treated like shit?  Find a new damn forum.  You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one.

After having been so sharply chastised and savagely mauled by the primitive woman bothered by cold weather, and Ms. Ed, the legendary herb primitive sort of wandered away for a while.  He was around Skins's island, but not much.

Then the legendary herb primitive started coming back, but this was during the Democrat primaries last year, and Ma and Pa Kettle in the White House weren't the legendary herb primitive's idea of domestic tranquility, and so he swam away before the 0bamaite primitives could Hate him.

After the assumption of the 0bamareich, the legendary herb primitive has been back, but his writing goals seem to have changed.  I suspect he wishes to usurp that NanceGreggs idiot.

It's all very sad, so much promise, no delivery.

[GOBUCKS]

I fail to see the promise that coach speaks of in DUmmy mythsaje. As far as I  can see, he's a failure in every aspect of his life. He just lost his house, and he writes these brain dead screeds at the DUmp, and demonstrates his intelligence by judging the DUmp as a "good venue". Before he spent all his time on disjointed socialist whining, he wrote those childish fantasy stories that sounded like a bad day of dungeons and dragons. Where is the potential in that?

As far as DUmmy greenbriar's plagiarism, DUmmy OMC (whatever happened to him?) summed it up:

OPERATIONMINDCRIME  (1000+ posts)        Sun Dec-16-07 05:40 PM
 
29.
 I just now searched the threads for what this is about. I agree completely with the admins in their action, and am a bit disgusted that the poster plagiarized in such a way, while taking credit as well. That's the part that bothered me most: The credit to Mythsaje was not only omitted, but when posters actually raved about the thread, the poster had the gall to actually not only accept the credit, but claim that it is a product of their own mind's wandering. Such lies and deceit are utterly disgusting.