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This is a new bonfire, just lit in the middle of the night.

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armyowalgreens  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-30-09 04:41 AM
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The story of how insurance companies and corporate greed are slowly killing my mom...

My mom has suffered from illness and injury since she was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis at the age of 19. Now at the age of 45, she is very, very ill. For the 19 years that I have been alive, she has been treated for tumors, both malignant and benign, a very rare heart condition and finally the beginning stages of lung failure. Most of these problems can be traced back to her RA.

If it isn't enough that she has gone through regular stays in the hospital for almost 20 years, she has also had to endure constant financial hardship.

It began with my parents divorce 8 years ago. My father had incurred a massive amount of debt shortly before the separation. Since then, he has failed to pay off any substantial amount of the debt, leading to creditors constantly hassling my mom for money. They don't care that my parents are no long together because legally the debt is shared by both. It doesn't help that my father has also failed to pay over 30,000 dollars in child support while he has spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on refurbishing vintage cars and fine suits.

Now it would seem that my mom is very lucky to have private health insurance with such a poor state of health. And I guess that is true. Without it, she would most likely be dead. Unfortunately, co-pays and non-covered procedures/medication (experimental) have created another pile of substantial debt for my mom and step-dad. I do not know the exact total, but it is indeed very burdensome.

About 10 months ago, my mother was diagnosed with the beginning stages of lung failure. This prompted an early retirement from her job that she had been working at since my parents separation.

Mind you, as a single mom, she worked 6 days a week from early morning until late evening. She also took care of her 3 children. I remember seeing the sorrow in her eyes as she barely managed to get by from day to day. My mom, with a shopping list of medical problems, drove herself damn near over the edge trying to keep the family alive. I believe those were some of the most miserable years of her life. At least until recently.

Of course her diagnoses forced her to retire because she is slowly dying. Every ****ing day she gets weaker and weaker because her lungs are slowly losing the ability to swap the waste products in her blood for oxygen. But did the company that she had been loyal to for 7 long, miserable years give a damn? Absolutely not.

In order for her to be eligible for long term benefits (retirement pay and a few other benefits) she was forced to work an additional 4 ****ing months following her diagnoses. She spent 4 months pushing herself so that she could keep money coming in for the family.

She just recently was able to fully retire from her company. But it never ends. My mom and step-dad were suppose to receive a substantial tax refund that they were going to use to pay off medical bills (not just her medical bills. I also suffer from a neurological disorder). Instead, the creditors ceased it to pay off my fathers outstanding debt from before the divorce.

This only pushed closer the inevitable. My mom and step-dad were served by their credit card company a little over a week ago. And now, they have no choice but to file for bankruptcy. They are bringing my father to court for failing to pay child support but can barely afford attorney fees.

I remember last December I received a statement from the bank denying my request for a student loan on the basis that the cosigner, my mom, had bad credit. The same bad credit brought about by outstanding debt accrued by my father and other medical bills. The horrific irony is that I was applying for student loans because my parents cannot afford to help me with school. They have to much on their plate. I read the denial letter to my mom, who then broke down crying in my lap.

That's when she told me she was dying. She didn't want to leave this world without first making sure that her son had enough money to go to college.

I felt compelled to write this tonight because about an hour ago my mom came into my room and broke down crying again. My step-dad is off working 6 days a week to help bring in money. And she is left alone. Apparently she has spent the last several hours coughing up blood but refuses to go to the hospital.

She came in to talk to me because she needs me to drive my brother to the store in the morning to get a new pair of pants. She thinks she'll be too weak to make it. And of course my step-dad will be sleeping off the 12 hour night shift he will have just finished.

I don't know how much time the banks and corporations have sucked from my moms life. I don't know how much healthier she would be today if she hadn't been subject to such barbarism by money-grubbing pigs. I can only imagine.

But what I am now left with is unmeasurable contempt and hatred for every last asshole that put my mom and family in this position. But I am also left with immense sadness because I know this story is not rare. It occurs all too often.

The United States government doesn't give a damn about my mom or any one else's mom. The politicians care about money. The corporations care about money. The insurance companies care about money.

Goldman Sachs contributed $1,037,395 to Obama's election campaign. A single company gave a cash handout to a politician worth probably 3 to 4 times as much as my parents debt. And I bet they didn't even put a dent in their profits.

Well, but I thought Pa Kettle in the White House was going to take care of all of this.

And Pa Kettle's been in the White House for a long time now.
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 11:27:23 AM »
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But what I am now left with is unmeasurable contempt and hatred for every last asshole that put my mom and family in this position.


Well,  let's see, DUmmy. Yep, the guilty parties would be your mother and your father. No one else.

The victims would be you, by birth, and your stepfather, who's just another man destroyed by beer goggles.

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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 11:40:48 AM »
I call bull shirt! There are so many non profits out there this woman could have got help from.

Also, the gubmint goes after dead beat dads. You don't have to get a lawyer. I know this first hand. My daughter had a child with one and he is persued at every level. She gets support from him every month as long as he is working. He has tried moving around a lot, but they always find him. Doesn't do him any good not to work, as his debt will just increase, and eventually they will put him in jail.
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 11:46:22 AM »
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The United States government doesn't give a damn about my mom or any one else's mom.

And it never should nor me or mine,that is when we cease to be a country.

See they say they are about "community" but when it gets down to it it is always about themselves.
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 11:54:22 AM »
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 11:54:39 AM »
Well, I see we've covered all our bases...long-suffering hardworking but gravely ill mother...greedy, mean, (probably) rich MAN who, perhaps because of the very fact that he's a male, walked away from debt incurred during marriage with apparently nary a mark on his credit, got away without paying child support...bet there's plenty of men who wonders how he pulled that off...loving, concerned son who just wants to go to college to fulfill his mother's dream...and excuses, excuses, excuses.

Wonder why he just doesn't go to rich daddy and ask HIM to cosign? Unless he's not talking to pop out of some warped sense of loyalty. Or, being healthy and 19, since mom has been so wonderful and hardworking all HIS life, he could postpone his college for a bit and get a full time job to help mom pay bills and medical expenses (even a minimum wage job would help). Oh, wait...this isn't about what someone could do to help their family, it's a whiny, little man-bitch complaining about the evil, rich (probably) white guy and THE LACK OF SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE THAT WILL PAY FOR EVERY LITTLE (AND BIG) THING WITH NO RESTRICTIONS AND FOR ONLY A $10 CO-PAY!!!

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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 11:57:21 AM »
Just how would government healthcare have helped with RA?  She would still be in debt.  Her husband would still have his accumulated debt and child support.  The DUmmie would still have trouble finding money for college.  I can't see it's life being any different.
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 11:59:06 AM »
Just how would government healthcare have helped with RA?  She would still be in debt.  Her husband would still have his accumulated debt and child support.  The DUmmie would still have trouble finding money for college.  I can't see it's life being any different.

You're missing a big point about the primitives, sir.

It would "feel good" to have 0bamacare.

That's all it is.
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 12:01:22 PM »
You're missing a big point about the primitives, sir.

It would "feel good" to have 0bamacare.

That's all it is.
He'd "feel good" till he got his 1st paycheck(WTH am I thinkin, this dude will never get a paycheck)
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 01:19:37 PM »
Well, seeing as he's 19, he probably doesn't make easy connections on a few different things. Let me help him out:

a) one can get a student loan without a cosigner, however it will be the federal type which means you can't weasle your way out of it when you are a grown up and the ailing mother cosigner is gone.

b) one can do what I had to do at that age, and tht is work(for me it was to survive) and delay college OR work to help out and at the same time take what credits you can afford each semester or every other semester to at least start. Hell you might even get a job that has tuition reimbursement and you can get a good chunk of a (marketable) degree paid for by your employer.


I'll also point out that if his father is such a bastard then the blame should lay squarely on him and not the government, the insurance companies, the public, etc.

Oh and btw, my grandmother died under the care of the plan you want so badly. She was under British nationalized care in the '80's. Had to WAIT--read that WAIT several months to scan a mass in her belly(just to scan it and see what it was). By the time it was scanned, they went uh oh we better look closer, and operated on, it had spread throughout her body and she died a few months later. This 'greedy' insurance system has kept your mother alive until you were an adult--it was not their responsibility to provide for all her necessities or make her life comfortable, but they did tend to her life--unfortunately her hard road was going to crossroads with her illness and it wasn't going to be a tidy affair if she didn't marry a guy that was very well off--that's unfortunate, but sometimes we make decisions in life aside from money--you know for love, happiness, comfort--perhaps things since you say your daddy was rich she wanted instead of money in a new husband--something tells me mom recognizes this and it's why she sacrifices like she does for her family---she made her choices and accepts them.

And if you want to feel a hint of guilt, no doubt a pregnancy or two exacerbated her RA on some level. I know that's mean, but any major body change like that puts pressure on immune illnesses--particularily one's like pregnancies that play suppress and then release the immune system to protect the infant from the mother's immune system.

My best advice to this kid: find other resources for college, get a job and help your mother(instead of getting housing, shuffle some money her way to help out with the expenses), and recognize that on one hand you are blaming the wrong 'people' and on the other hand there are some things in life you just have to accept. Also recognize the fact that you may not have a life like other 19 year olds...yours may be one of duty and obligation. That's not an insurance company's fault; that's just the hand we are dealt at times. At least you have a loving family who would do anything for you in return. Some people get dealt a shit stack and don't even have that...be grateful for that much at least.



PS One can get student loans with not such great credit btw...I call big bs on that one or just a lack of experience on someone who has not investigated all of their options yet.

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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 01:33:14 PM »
Or the primitive can do what I did--join the military.  IF they're as smart as they claim, they could likely waltz through a program which will pay a significant enlistment bonus as well as accumulate substantial college credit and money for college via the GI Bill or various service College Funds.
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 01:51:46 PM »
Or the primitive can do what I did--join the military.  IF they're as smart as they claim, they could likely waltz through a program which will pay a significant enlistment bonus as well as accumulate substantial college credit and money for college via the GI Bill or various service College Funds.

I didn't suggest that because and if the mother is as sick as he says, I'd be wary about getting invovled in something that would take me away from her for the last few years of her life.

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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 01:58:43 PM »
3 kids and not one of them lifts a finger to help, only make demands to be driven to the store to buy new pants?!?!?!

She should've aborted the whole ****ing lot of the ingrateful little bastards.
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 06:08:16 PM »
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But did the company that she had been loyal to for 7 long, miserable years give a damn? Absolutely not.

In order for her to be eligible for long term benefits (retirement pay and a few other benefits) she was forced to work an additional 4 ******* months following her diagnoses. She spent 4 months pushing herself so that she could keep money coming in for the family.

She just recently was able to fully retire from her company.
7 years, and she retires, with benefits.  That would be one fantastic employer. 



I see that the GI bill has been mentioned, as well as working through college.  The College of the Ozarks offers most students the ability to work off the majority of their bill.  To me, that would beat whining online...   ::)
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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 08:49:25 PM »
7 years, and she retires, with benefits.  That would be one fantastic employer. 



I see that the GI bill has been mentioned, as well as working through college.  The College of the Ozarks offers most students the ability to work off the majority of their bill.  To me, that would beat whining online...   ::)

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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 09:56:36 PM »
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I read the denial letter to my mom, who then broke down crying in my lap.
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Not being insensitive here but really?  He's a 19-year-old boy-man and his mother broke down crying in HIS lap?  Which part of her was in his lap? 


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Re: army of Wal-Mart primitive describes plight of maternal ancestress
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2009, 09:57:37 PM »
I see that the GI bill has been mentioned, as well as working through college.  The College of the Ozarks offers most students the ability to work off the majority of their bill.  To me, that would beat whining online...   ::)

That bolded part, that's your problem right there.