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PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« on: June 14, 2009, 11:25:06 AM »
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PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
   
Are there paid Disinformation/Propaganda agents here on this forum?


I don’t think so. In the first place, it would be a waste of money. Why? Because this forum

is populated primarily by people who are well informed about 9/11. They know the government’s version, so a “substantive”

argument in support of the official story/stories isn’t going to change their mind. Indeed, substance is conspicuously absent in

most of the posts of those who support the official version(s). They have no credibility and make almost no attempt to establish

credibility. Insults and truth suppression are their stock in trade. It’s as though they are intentionally trying to make

enemies. Not a smart way to influence opinions or get people to change their minds. Why would you PAY someone to make enemies of

the very people you wish to persuade? Professional agents of influence and disinformation are targeted at large, GENERAL

audiences or small audiences – if they’re composed of prominent opinion leaders. They appear to be serious minded

people with a high level of integrity and expertise. They have a background that can be checked. They write serious articles

with source references for any factual claims they make. They do not use the kind of tactics associated with trolls and extreme

partisans. They rarely interact with their target audience and whenever they do it’s on a limited basis and follow-up questions

and counter arguments are not entertained. Does all this mean that DUers are not worth targeting by paid disinformants? Perhaps

in the future, but certainly not now. Why? Because they would be limited to targeting only the relatively small number of DUers

who even know that this forum exists, and those who frequent it know enough about the facts that they can usually spot

disinformation whenever they encounter it.

Besides, why would you PAY someone to post what plenty of snotty kids would do for free or at least almost for free.

Are some of you guys getting paid?

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13. "truther " Dictionary
   
Disinformation: any fact which refutes our goofy theories.

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 11:28:24 AM »
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Because this forum is populated primarily by people who are well informed about 9/11.

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 11:30:47 AM »
Be ye certain for the troooth shall set you.....uh....uh....apart.
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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 11:37:04 AM »
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Because this forum is populated primarily by people who are well informed about 9/11.

Yeah...like spooked911.  :whatever: :-)
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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2009, 11:53:56 AM »
Yeah...like spooked911.  :whatever: :-)
Heh. Tragically there are no pics of this experiment, use your imagination though.  :-)
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I set up an experiment testing how a plane might break up upon impacting arrayed steel columns like the WTC wall. The plane and the columns were both constructed of similar pieces of wood (which here favors the plane, since in real life, aluminum is weaker than steel). The dimensions of the models were not perfect, but they were a rough match for the WTC and a 767. I did not put floors into the model, so this also favors the plane.

I pushed the plane forcefully into the "wall", and while the fuselage penetrated the wall after reasonably strong force was applied, the wings broke off at the root where the wings met the plane. The wings actually bent backwards and slid into the hole alongside the fuselage. The wood of the wings actually broke. A few "columns" broke where the fuselage went in, and a couple broke on either side of the fuselage hole, where the wings broke off-- but basically the array of columns were much stronger than the long wings.

This actually makes sense in terms of physics. The fuselage had a concentrated impact force on a relatively small front area, and thus could break the columns inward. However, a wing has a much wider impact area, which dissipates the impact force, thus favoring the columns' strength. If I were an engineer, I'm sure I could find an equation that could describe this phenomenon. Basically, of course, it is the same principle why a pointed object has more penetrating power than a long straight edge-- even if both are equally sharp.

Note that in real-life, the aluminum wings should break off even more readily when they impact heavy steel columns than in this experiment.

This finding that the wings break off also fits with what is observed in other plane crashes: the wings break off.

This means of course, that no 767 hit either WTC tower.

The plane-shaped hole was merely a ruse, to trick people into thinking a large plane had impacted the WTC. Unfortunately this trick defied physics.


Further: in theory, wings could break through the columns if they had enough mass and momentum. The key point though is that on a plane, the wings are far from the center of mass, they cannot carry enough force to break through the columns and thus their response is to break and fold back. The analogy would be like having your arms stretched straight out and trying to knock down two strong wooden posts on either side of you with your fists. With your whole body behind your hands, you could knock down one post, but your body's force is too diffuse to knock down both posts when your arms are stretched out to the side ...
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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2009, 12:01:38 PM »
Insanity like that shouldn`t  be allowed to wander freely.

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2009, 12:29:23 PM »
Has this person ever seen a video of a real airliner crash?

Sioux City for example?

Oh I don't know, maybe the live video of planes slamming into the WTC gave people the idea that... planes hit the WTC

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2009, 02:59:15 PM »
Heh. Tragically there are no pics of this experiment, use your imagination though.  :-)http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/04/wings-break-off.html


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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2009, 06:13:17 PM »
I dunno if Skins's island is worth it, paying someone to post there; after all, there's only circa 5,000 primitives, and not all of them bona fide primitives.

It would be a rather expensive way to get the message out.

However, I've always had my suspicions about a few primitives; there appears to be one on the payroll of the Venezuelan embassy--I forget the primitive screen-name, because it's so transparent it's silly--who can whip the primitives up into a Yugo-loving orgasmic frenzy, including the usual idiots Doug's ex-wife & pals.

And another one obviously on the payroll of the Cuban government.

Watch a series of, say, half a dozen bonfires about Venezuela or Cuba, and one will see what I mean.

As for the primitives themselves, for the longest time it seemed as if Ms. Ed, the unappellated eohippus, the "Horse With no Name" primitive," was on the payroll of the abortion profiteers, probably to supplement her $24,000 (sic) she earns as a registered nurse, getting $20 or something for each post celebrating abortion.

But as time has gone on, it seems more that Ms. Ed is just stupid, no more than that.

Surely there's at least a couple, or three or four, people paid to light bonfires on Skins's island, but it seems grossly cost-inefficient.
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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2009, 06:28:08 PM »
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I pushed the plane forcefully into the "wall", and while the fuselage penetrated the wall after reasonably strong force was applied, the wings broke off at the root where the wings met the plane.
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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 04:35:22 AM »
:rotf: holy hell...

Chris, don't laugh--that's as scientific as they're ever going to get!

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2009, 05:44:11 AM »
So, in short, the theory is that since aluminum is softer than steel, there is no way any of this is possible.



Above. A man who obviously hasn't paid attention to troofer logic.

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2009, 06:04:31 AM »
:rotf: holy hell...

That a person would even begin to think they could simulate the energy being produced by an an airplane flying at 300+ mph,loaded with fuel crashing into the towers is all you need to know about "truthers". :mental:

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2009, 06:43:36 AM »
:rotf: holy hell...
I heard he'll be in the next season of Mythbusters*, since they were sooo impressed by this guy's 'scientific genius'.


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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2009, 08:30:34 AM »
I wonder if the troofer really thinks the entire building was made out of steel because the outside was dark and shiny?

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2009, 09:11:28 AM »
I wonder if he realizes that the wing root of an actual airplane, unlike his "wooden model" is the strongest, most heavily engineered, piece of the structure because it is required to carry the entire load of the plane.  In his model, the wing root was there to hold the wings to the fuselage.  In reality, the wing root is there to hold the fuselage to the wing.  :loser:

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2009, 11:46:24 AM »
:rotf: holy hell...

This idiot has never heard of alloy either, apparently. Also, the columns in the WTC didn't collapse until the fire proofing melted away from fire. Did DUmpshit set his little model on fire? This would be funny except for the fact there are buttheads out there willing to believe it!
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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2009, 12:00:29 PM »
Chris, don't laugh--that's as scientific as they're ever going to get!

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2009, 03:37:01 PM »
That George guy who has taken over for Art Bell had some truther from Architects and Engineers for Truth on last week. They were talking about thermite being placed in the buildings, and George asked him if it was at all possible that terrorists, and not Bush/Cheney/Rove, had pre-placed thermite in the buildings... Of course the lunatic immediately shot that down, there was NO WAY anyone outside of the Bush administration could have done that. Then he goes right on to tell how a private contractor had 90 employees with six weeks of full access to the critical areas needed to place this thermite, nine months before the attacks... (that would be before Bush took office). George failed to point out this apparent contradiction, or ask if it was possible if any of those employees might have been terrorists, or even who this private contractor was.

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2009, 04:45:44 PM »
One of the comments....

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To be truly dedicated to finding out the truth about 9/11, one must first remove their head from their ass. Then again... if I were a brain surgeon, I'm sure I could develop an invasive proceedure to rectify this phenomenon.


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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2009, 04:49:25 PM »
That George guy who has taken over for Art Bell had some truther from Architects and Engineers for Truth on last week. They were talking about thermite being placed in the buildings, and George asked him if it was at all possible that terrorists, and not Bush/Cheney/Rove, had pre-placed thermite in the buildings... Of course the lunatic immediately shot that down, there was NO WAY anyone outside of the Bush administration could have done that. Then he goes right on to tell how a private contractor had 90 employees with six weeks of full access to the critical areas needed to place this thermite, nine months before the attacks... (that would be before Bush took office). George failed to point out this apparent contradiction, or ask if it was possible if any of those employees might have been terrorists, or even who this private contractor was.

90 employees for a demolition contractor, several hundred that where "on the planes", hundreds if not thousands involved with the planning and execution of such a plot....

AND NOT AN F'N PEEP FROM ANY OF THEM!!!

Surely, you would have heard from ONE of them, hoping to sell the "entire story" to some publisher for a mint....

These DUmmies with their MIHOP/LIHOP theories give me a headache, because I have to let my IQ drop by 50 points, just to be on their intellectual level....
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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2009, 04:55:33 PM »
One of the comments....

Anonymous said...
To be truly dedicated to finding out the truth about 9/11, one must first remove their head from their ass. Then again... if I were a brain surgeon, I'm sure I could develop an invasive proceedure to rectify this phenomenon.

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I'm not sure what the cure is for "cranial rectosis", aka a rectal/cranial inversion, but I bet if you kicked him in the ass, he's suffer an concussion....    :tinfoil:

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2009, 05:01:22 PM »
I would doubt they are on DU full time probably spend most of their time on Kos or Huff

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2009, 08:11:21 AM »
Heh. Tragically there are no pics of this experiment, use your imagination though.  :-)http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/04/wings-break-off.html


Have you read some of the comments on that?  :lmao:


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you are honestly nothing less than a complete ****ing moron, do you honestly think this is any kind of re-enactment whatsoever, do the world a favor and kill yourself before you reproduce and make more drains on society.

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You're kidding me. Build a model out of blocks, an airplane out of the same, push one into the other....and you think this is an accurate simulation? What a joke. Heck, I could do the same sort of thing for a "controlled demolition". Build a building out of blocks, suddenly remove the bottom layer....and the whole thing topples sideways, just like controlled demolitions *don't*. What a farce.

Oh, and I love this line: "If I were an engineer, I'm sure I could find an equation that could describe this phenomenon." Since you are, by your own admission, obviously not an engineer, how are you the least bit qualified to comment on this?

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Holy F**K. How did you figure all that out. You say you're not an engineer, but you are obviously way smarter than all the engineers in the world. I am SO thankful I found your blog site as I can hardly wait for your next dispensation of brilliance.

Have you ever thought of running for president? With your intelligence at the helm of the country the world would quickly turn into a Utopian dream.

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Re: PAID Disinformation Agents at DU: Myth or Fact?
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2009, 08:12:59 AM »
BTW, for any lurkers or new members, can someone post the link to his "Rabbit Cage/Kerosene/Cement Block=WTC" experiment?
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