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I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« on: May 28, 2009, 04:10:47 PM »
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tekisui  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-28-09 04:03 PM
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I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
 We are learning exactly why the torture pictures need to be released. Not even Mancow will volunteer to be raped on the radio to see if it is torture. Without the images in the public, the public will not be sufficiently outraged to pres for justice.

The crimes were committed and documented. Blocking access to the truth will not make it go away. The future that too many are eager to look towards will be haunted by this past until the torturers are convicted. Until that time, we will be seen as a country that allows war crimes to proceed in our name. We will be seen as a society content with sweeping rape and murder under the rug.

We cannot move on until we learn from our past.
 


It's like the million murdered Iraqis...

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Oregone (1000+ posts)      Thu May-28-09 04:07 PM
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1. Not really. Kind of expected
 Edited on Thu May-28-09 04:10 PM by Oregone
People wanted war, and that is what happens in war. When you send the "best and brightest" of society's bad apples off to kill other people, thats the shit everyone should *know* will happen prior to it. Id be shocked if there was a war that was free of rape, sodomy and attrocity. Hey, yeah, no shit. That IS war.

You don't go to Burger King and order a burger and fries sans fat. Its all one total package. Thats what war is too.

Its crazy people on any side of the spectrum are outraged about this now. It was a "known known" it would happen to anyone with a clue. Back in early 2003 would of been the time for "pre-emptive outrage"

Support of the troops, of course...

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WCGreen  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-28-09 04:15 PM
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2. I have to agree...
 Although I do wish our so-called military culture would have acted like the professionals they profess to be...

Was I shocked that some kids with guns and uncheck authority were guilty of torture and rape and abuse? Not really, I read Lord of the Flies.


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Enthusiast  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-28-09 04:21 PM
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3. This is funny
 "Not even Mancow will volunteer to be raped on the radio to see if it is torture."


Yeah...I'm laughing my ass off.


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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 04:54:49 PM »
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tekisui  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-28-09 04:03 PM
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I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?

I'll simply defer to the doodling primitive for my answer to this:



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10. Just an issue of being there I guess
   
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 05:17:50 PM »
What is their fascination with Mancow lately? He's a half ass Howard Stern! :whatever:
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 05:38:51 PM »
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WCGreen  (1000+ posts)        Thu May-28-09 04:15 PM
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2. I have to agree...
 Although I do wish our so-called military culture would have acted like the professionals they profess to be...

Was I shocked that some kids with guns and uncheck authority were guilty of torture and rape and abuse? Not really, I read Lord of the Flies.

Hey DUmmie, **** You. There hasn't been a single military person found guilty of rape in this case.  If you want to play games like that, then we could easily say that the members are a bunch NAMBLA members that hate the USA. Wait a minute, those are likely to be true.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 05:40:47 PM »
are you sure we are talking about US troops cuz this sounds like UN troops
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 06:19:03 PM »
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs on May 28, 2009, 05:17:50 PM
What is their fascination with Mancow lately? He's a half ass Howard Stern! :whatever:

A) He supports the troops and is semi conservative

B) He volunteered to be water boarded on his show the other day to show it's not torture.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 07:34:10 PM »
bUT mancow is a half ass. Being damned near drowned is unpleasant , and makes you angry. Well, anyway, until the vision starts to fade, then the unpleasantness goes away, and if you're that far gone, urgency to get to the surface is all. But they didn't let get that bad. Water was kept out of their lungs/throat and real drowning was impossible.

Now, there are certian neurological tests that include the patient being "HOOKED UP" to an electrical sourse, and THAT is actual torture! THAT I can, thru direct experience, flat ass guarantee you!
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 11:10:38 PM »
They are correct that crimes happen in every war, but the primitives think everything happens in a vacuum.  Our Armed Forces will not tolerate things like rape and punish it in every instance it is found.  That alone sets us above most of the enemies we fight.  I would say that we have a relatively instance of criminal activity in our military, among the lowest in the world.

DUmmies like to talk up WWII.  When American soldiers arrived at Buchenwald and realized what the Germans had done, they lined a bunch of German guards up against a wall and summarily executed them.  Officially, that was certainly a war crime.  Unofficially, those bastards got what they had coming to them.  Patton chased the investigators out of his office when they tried to present him with evidence of the crime.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 07:04:37 AM »
"Proportionality" seems to be outside of the primitive ability to understand, their cerebral capacities being much less than those of decent and civilized people.

No one is perfect.

In a big barrel of apples, there's always a few bad ones.

A single crime, while still a crime, is less bad than ten or a hundred similar crimes.

This is why whenever news about one crime or another, committed by American troops, bothers me not.  It's very sad, and it shouldn't happen, but excresence happens.

When it comes to troops, Americans and the British have the best records for decent and civilized behavior.  Compare their records, please, with those of the Soviets, the Chinese, the North Koreans, the Germans, the African "UN" troops, the Bolivilans, the North Vietnamese, the Iranians, the Syrians, the Turks, &c., &c., &c.

No one is perfect; bad things happen, but much fewer bad things happen when American and British troops are involved. 

The primitives really understand this, but the primitives are just looking around for excuses to bash the U.S. military.  It's pretty stupid.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2009, 08:36:42 AM »
If rapes occurred, I fully expect the military to try, charge, and punish the soldier, or soldiers, who committed the crime.  Military courts exist for a reason.  I do not believe that rape is widespread among our soldier. 

Like Franksolich said, our military is cross-section of society, and there are people who are amazingly good, and those who are really bad.  The uncovering of crimes in the military should not be used to accuse the entire military of wrong-doing, only those who actually committed crimes.  The principle of "innocent until proven guilty" should continue to the gold standard.   
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 12:18:36 PM »
Rose, every single person responsible for the mistreatment and abuse of the prisioners has already taken place. Jail, loss of rank, drummed out of the military,  ruined military service records with no chance of further promotion, all were done, complete a few years ago.

This is being "recycled" to damage the military and the USA's image over seas. And the folk who do this are proud of this treason.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 01:05:27 PM »
Quote from: Vagabond on May 28, 2009, 11:10:38 PM

DUmmies like to talk up WWII.  When American soldiers arrived at Buchenwald and realized what the Germans had done, they lined a bunch of German guards up against a wall and summarily executed them.  Officially, that was certainly a war crime.  Unofficially, those bastards got what they had coming to them.  Patton chased the investigators out of his office when they tried to present him with evidence of the crime.
It is my understanding that the orders given to some of the SS officers by American troops after the liberation of one of the camps were given in Yiddish.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 02:19:25 PM »
Some Vets of WW2 advised that the SS Death's head tatoo was a death warrant as far as they were concerned. An old 101st, rife with bullet scars, advised that ANYONE running tward their line was to be shot dead, anyone.

My Dad, a 15th AF Pilot carried only a long single blade folding knife while on missions. Reason? eVEN OFFICERS CARRYING SIDEARMS WERE FREQUENTLY EXECUTED by the Germans. He added "Besides, it is difficult to slice salami with a .45."

It was not a beer and skittles conflict.

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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2009, 04:55:01 AM »
Mancow's little "waterboarding" stunt was absolutely stooopid. For one thing, getting someone who has no clue what they are doing to simulate waterb'ing after skimming over WIKIPEDIA. Then, not only is it not done correctly, i.e. SIMULATED DROWNING, the guy actually takes and pours a gallon jug of water up Mancow's nose. The reason it was so bad is he was ACTUALLY DROWNING! I think anyone would find that a problem, especially someone who nearly died from drowning as a child. If the left want to put him on a pedestial for that ridiculous stunt, then have at it. I have said this to a lot of people, but I have been actually tortured. Many times. So when someone starts talking about how heinous waterb'ing is, I just want to start screaming. What kind of frame of reference do these people use? I'll bet Mancow wouldn't volunteer for a beating or bamboo up the nails. Nor would he describe himself as "fine" less than 30 seconds after being "tortured" for 3-6 seconds. Give me a break, DUmmies.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2009, 04:59:15 AM »
Quote from: happy1ga on May 31, 2009, 04:55:01 AM
Mancow's little "waterboarding" stunt was absolutely stooopid. For one thing, getting someone who has no clue what they are doing to simulate waterb'ing after skimming over WIKIPEDIA. Then, not only is it not done correctly, i.e. SIMULATED DROWNING, the guy actually takes and pours a gallon jug of water up Mancow's nose. The reason it was so bad is he was ACTUALLY DROWNING! I think anyone would find that a problem, especially someone who nearly died from drowning as a child. If the left want to put him on a pedestial for that ridiculous stunt, then have at it. I have said this to a lot of people, but I have been actually tortured. Many times. So when someone starts talking about how heinous waterb'ing is, I just want to start screaming. What kind of frame of reference do these people use? I'll bet Mancow wouldn't volunteer for a beating or bamboo up the nails. Nor would he describe himself as "fine" less than 30 seconds after being "tortured" for 3-6 seconds. Give me a break, DUmmies.

Mancow admitted that the whole thing was a stunt designed to punk the Left.  Go over and read the email he sent to Michelle Malkin at her site.
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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 12:56:49 PM »
These people are a puss-filled boil on the ass of humanity. And they wonder why no one believes the left when they do their "support the troops not the war" bullshit. They have the same seething rage towards the military that they do for Israel.

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Re: I Guess US Soldiers Raping and Murdering Prisoners is Not Sensational?
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 03:10:54 PM »
Quote from: Peter3_1 on May 29, 2009, 12:18:36 PM
Rose, every single person responsible for the mistreatment and abuse of the prisioners has already taken place. Jail, loss of rank, drummed out of the military,  ruined military service records with no chance of further promotion, all were done, complete a few years ago.

This is being "recycled" to damage the military and the USA's image over seas. And the folk who do this are proud of this treason.

  Exactly!   If this is just the crap from Abu Ghirab, that only went on for about a month and the military stopped it themselves probably due to a whistle blower.  The New York Times and CBS felt it was necessary to show the pictures and Nicholas Berg got his head sawed off with a dull machete.   :banghead:
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