Legislator wants welfare recipients drug tested

[LC EFA]

Whole steaming piles of ignorance, hate and stupidity in this thread.

babylonsister  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 03:32 PM
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Legislator wants welfare recipients drug tested
   
Here's an idea; let's test legislators while we're at it.

Legislator wants welfare recipients drug tested

Those applying for temporary assistance would need to take test.

By Colleen Hogan
Thursday, February 19, 2009 at 5:20 p.m.

JEFFERSON CITY -- Should people receiving assistance from the state be drug tested?

That's what one Missouri legislator is proposing. Senate Bill 73 calls for those receiving temporary assistance from the state to first be drug tested, and if they fail, they would not be eligible for state aid for three years.

Sen. Bill Stouffer (R-Napton) said the idea for the legislation came from a concerned constituent.
"I think it's a discussion that should be had,” said Stouffer. “And again, it's about people cleaning their lives up, and living a full and productive life."

Stouffer argues that most places of employment have drug-screening, so why should those getting taxpayer money be any different?

"One of our biggest concerns is that the state becomes an enabler with cash advances for drug use,” said Stouffer.

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Sounds fair to me.

You get a free ride from the taxpayer, your part of that contract is you use the money for survival while looking for gainful employment. If you've enough money to purchase intoxicants then you clearly are being given too much.

Vinca  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 03:34 PM
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1. Now I'm guessing Rep. Stouffer is a good Christian man who would
   
never want to see a drug addict die on the street from lack of food . . . right?

Now if I remember correctly, many, if not most of the addiction help groups are actually Christian organizations.

Raven  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Mar-07-09 03:35 PM
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2. I want Legislators drug tested...they also get public funds.

I'd extend that to any person who is paid from the government coffers.

noamnety  (1000+ posts)  Sat Mar-07-09 03:37 PM
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4. what about bank CEO's? (nt)

That would be up to the individual bank.

proud2BlibKansan  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 03:37 PM
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5. The repukes in MO are on a roll this year
   
This week alone, they proposed a constitutional amendment mandating voter ID which also orders the state SOS to examine the birth certificate of everyone who has ever been on the presidential ballot in MO, they proposed a law making it illegal to bully a woman into having an abortion and they are fighting the governor on restoring cuts to Medicaid recipients.

And in KS, they are fighting raising the minimum wage from $2.65 an hour. Yes, two dollars and sixty five cents an hour.

I have such a hard time not hating these people.

They want to make it illegal to force a woman into having an abortion ? Please tell me what is wrong with that ?

They want to ensure voters are actually living breathing citizens ? How is that a problem for anyone other than democrats ?

AllentownJake  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sat Mar-07-09 03:37 PM
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6. I want all bank and wall street firm officers and traders drug tested
   
They got more money from the government, and there are more addicts in corporate America than there are on public assistance.

Yeah, right.

FreakinDJ  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 03:38 PM
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7. Probably a VERY GOOD Idea
   
hate to say it but he's right

Bravo for having the balls to go against the torrent of stupidity.

AllentownJake  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sat Mar-07-09 03:45 PM
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13. Yes
   
Edited on Sat Mar-07-09 03:45 PM by AllentownJake
because the person on public assistance who smokes a joint every now and than is as big of a danger as the drunks (legal) and executives we've bailed out who are coke heads.

This is the return of the welfare queen. Don't fall for this bullshit.

You clearly missed the point.

tbyg52  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sat Mar-07-09 04:10 PM
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34. And your point would be....? I'm talking about *him*.
   
I would try very hard not to take a job where I had to be drug tested, just on general principles. And I think the people elected to office *should* be, if they are advocating it. Sauce for the goose.

This mentality is why you will never amount to anything.

FreakinDJ  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-07-09 04:45 PM
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49. GENIUS - pay them to stay addicted to drugs
   
Give Every Drug Addict a Welfare check so they don't have to steal, rob, scam, or prostitute to support their habit.

Go to East LA and see how will then has worked out

You're wasting your time trying to explain this to the DU.

Gormy Cuss  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Mar-07-09 04:08 PM
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31. Hate to say it, but you and he are wrong.
   
1)It will be a huge waste of time and money for applicants and the state.

2)Drug addicted parents who need TANF for their children will be dissuaded from applying because of the test. Do we really want that to happen?

I do like the way he defends it by pointing to the drug-screening for jobs, another practice that should be severely curtailed and applicable only to those jobs where the person may put the public or coworkers in jeopardy while operating equipment while under the influence.

Those are the same parents that spend that money on their drug habits rather than their kids to begin with so your point is moot.

AllentownJake  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sat Mar-07-09 03:53 PM
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20. There are more drugs
   
being used on Wall Street than there are being used by people on public assistance. The only difference is those addicts **** us all over, the public assistance addicts damage is much smaller.

You sir, are a idiot.

[Mr Mannn]

Question: Well, if there are so few drug addicts without a corporate job, why are they worried about this?
Answer: because the DUmmies ARE the drug addicts without a job.

[NHSparky]

Whatever happened to the old adage of, "You take the king's coin, you do the king's bidding?"

[Carl]

Gee...DUmmies want public assistance without any responsibilities or requirements?????


Who would have guessed that?


They should be happy,if up to me I would require they prove somehow they are not completely useless before getting one dime.
I doubt many could do that.

[Texacon]

100% of the time drugs are mentioned at the DUmp all the DUmmies can do is;

Rationalize and Justify.

They have no real arguments against only reasons why drug use should not be curtailed.

KC

[Chris_]

No one can force you to take government assistance.  Don't l ike the rules, don't take the money.  Waaaay too simple for DUmmies.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

Sounds like a fine idea to me, if you're spending your money on drugs, you sure as shit don't need mine.

[Chris_]

I think they should do drug testing but that isn't enough. Anyone on welfare that is able to physically work needs to be doing some type of odd job for the taxpayer. Such as working 20 hrs a week picking up trash on the side to the road, sweeping the courthouse, or painting schools...etc. If people have to do a little work for their check they might be more inclined to get off it.

[Gwitness]

take money from the .gov...live by the .gov's rules.

[docstew]

I think they should do drug testing but that isn't enough. Anyone on welfare that is able to physically work needs to be doing some type of odd job for the taxpayer. Such as working 20 hrs a week picking up trash on the side to the road, sweeping the courthouse, or painting schools...etc. If people have to do a little work for their check they might be more inclined to get off it.

there's other benefits to this plan.  Pride in EARNING your money, some skill training (i.e. after painting a school, you could work for a guy painting houses), savings on having to pay others to do those same tasks.

IIRC, this idea was one of the central tenets of the welfare reform of '96, you had to do some kind of work to earn it.

[diesel driver]

DUmmies can complain about Missouri all they want, but West Virginia is proposing the same thing, and it's run by DIMS!

Must really suck to be on the receiving end of a government handout....

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Would that we could flip this at them:

But if someone on the dole is smoking pot they should quit until they can pay for their own recreational substances...

...BUT...

...if they're on harder drugs maybe an intervention is just what they need to get back on their feet to being happy, productive members of the Grand Commune.

[RobJohnson]

Should people receiving assistance from the state be drug tested?

Yes

[LC EFA]

For some reason this reminded me of this thread :

[Texacon]

They should take this one step farther for the women.  If you are receiving welfare/foodstamps/etc... then they should not only be drug tested but they should be forced to take birth control.  That injectible kind that lasts like 3 months.  If they are on the dole they shouldn't be reproducing.

KC

[djones520]

They should take this one step farther for the women.  If you are receiving welfare/foodstamps/etc... then they should not only be drug tested but they should be forced to take birth control.  That injectible kind that lasts like 3 months.  If they are on the dole they shouldn't be reproducing.

KC

Ummm...  how about no.

[Karin]

That one guy who said he'd avoid any job that required a drug test....what a life-long loser.  All good jobs in good companies adopted this policy many years ago (early 90's?).  I have never found it burdensome, as it's not a test I have to study for.   Nowadays they can even take a strand of hair, no messing around with pee and the signing of those little forms with the nurse. 

SanFran has a policy of paying cash handouts to degenerates, right?  Such a shining city. 

[Texacon]

Ummm...  how about no.

You think a woman on welfare has the ability to take care of any children she may have?  How about the prenatal care?

KC

[VivisMom]

They should take this one step farther for the women.  If you are receiving welfare/foodstamps/etc... then they should not only be drug tested but they should be forced to take birth control.  That injectible kind that lasts like 3 months.  If they are on the dole they shouldn't be reproducing.

KC

So...you're advocating eugenics? Classy.

Look, in theory, I almost agree-women on welfare shouldn't reproduce. But you can't force them NOT to. What you can do, however, is make it less attractive for them to have more children while they are on the dole...for example, they get no extra money for having more kids, or their allowed time on the dole is shortened if they get pregnant while they are on it. Personally, I think that people on welfare who have multiple children so that they can milk the system ought to have their children taken away from them and be forcibly made to work to pay off the debt that they have incurred by having all of these kids and no way to take care of them.

[Texacon]

So...you're advocating eugenics? Classy.

Look, in theory, I almost agree-women on welfare shouldn't reproduce. But you can't force them NOT to. What you can do, however, is make it less attractive for them to have more children while they are on the dole...for example, they get no extra money for having more kids, or their allowed time on the dole is shortened if they get pregnant while they are on it. Personally, I think that people on welfare who have multiple children so that they can milk the system ought to have their children taken away from them and be forcibly made to work to pay off the debt that they have incurred by having all of these kids and no way to take care of them.

This would be no where near eugenics.  I said nothing about breeding out undesireable traits.  I'm simply saying if you are on welfare and cannot afford to have children then you should not be allowed to have children. 

What you are saying;

"They get no extra money for more kids OR you cut their time short if they get pregnant"

This does nothing but harm the kids they shouldn't have had in the first place.  Keep them from having the kids until THEY can afford them.  I prefer them to keep the kids off my dime (and yours by default).

Those on welfare should be receiving what they need to live and that should be as cheaply as possible.  If I can't afford something then I DON'T GET IT.  My wife and I waited until we could afford to have kids.  We waited until we could afford to buy a home.  We waited until we could afford furniture for that home.  We waited until we could afford a new vehicle.  We waited ....

What is the problem with asking/demanding those on welfare to wait to have kids until they are not on the taxpayer dime?

Back atchya ...... you want to take money away from kids or kick them off the doles or put their kids into a broken foster home system ... classy.

KC

[mamacags]

I agree that people on welfare women AND men should be temporarily sterilized until they can get off of the system.   That is in no way what so ever Eugenics.  That is forcing personal responsibility on those who won't accept it by themselves.

[Texacon]

I agree that people on welfare women AND men should be temporarily sterilized until they can get off of the system.   That is in no way what so ever Eugenics.  That is forcing personal responsibility on those who won't accept it by themselves.

Yes, forgive me mama ..... the guys should be subjected to the same treatment.

KC

[thundley4]

[mamacags]

Agreed, I am a racist against every race.  In fact I can't think of a single race I want to see procreating while suckling the tits of welfare.

[Servonaut]

That one guy who said he'd avoid any job that required a drug test....what a life-long loser.  All good jobs in good companies adopted this policy many years ago (early 90's?).  I have never found it burdensome, as it's not a test I have to study for.   Nowadays they can even take a strand of hair, no messing around with pee and the signing of those little forms with the nurse. 

SanFran has a policy of paying cash handouts to degenerates, right?  Such a shining city. 

Yep, in my line of work I get DS'ed once or twice a year.  How about giving me a tax break for every test I pass ?