NFL Playoffs - Sat. 1/10

[formerlurker]

The NFL used to be good, but it's really dropped in intensity.  You can't touch the QB, you can't touch the receiver, you can't closeline the runner, no helmet to helmet contact, no headslaps, no covering your arms with plaster of paris and beating the other player within inches of his life, etc....

If the NFL were to turn back the rule clock about 40 years to would be much better.

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Ah, the Peyton Manning rule.    No one can touch pretty boy Peyton. 

I think it depends on which teams are playing.   The Steelers and Pats are allowed to beat the snot out of each other, as I think they let the Ravens and Steelers do also.    Two teams with hard hitting defenses are given more latitude.

 

[USA4ME]

It's all of the teams.

The Steelers won with the former rules in place, the Pats didn't.  The Pats got stomped 51-0 by the Dolphins back when those rules were in place.  So if anything the Pats have benefitted from the rules.

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[formerlurker]

It's all of the teams.

The Steelers won with the former rules in place, the Pats didn't.  The Pats got stomped 51-0 by the Dolphins back when those rules were in place.  So if anything the Pats have benefitted from the rules.

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Yeah cause the Dolphins are the same team as they were back in 72.    Pats too.     

Tom Brady has been slammed more times that I care to remember, he ain't no crybaby.    Peyton on the other hand...... you do know when/how the don't touch Peyton rules were implemented right?   

[USA4ME]

You don't look at these things the right way.  You approach it from a "I'm a Boston sports fan" POV, so you automatically defend them regardless.  There's nothing objective there.  If Peyton were a Pat and Brady were a Colt you'd be singing a different tune.

There's a reason they're no longer called the Boston Pats, even the owner wanted nothing to do with that city anymore.  Jim Plunkett was glad to get out of there and get to a team that had real men, and that was the 69ers before he went to the Raiders.  Even the Pats of when Plunkett was there were more manly than they are today.  Steve Grogan (Grogs) is more of a man than Brady is because at least he could take a hit without all the protective rules.  If they were to switch places in time when they played. Grogan would make it today.  Not so sure Brady would.  He definately couldn't last 16 years.

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[formerlurker]

You don't look at these things the right way.  You approach it from a "I'm a Boston sports fan" POV, so you automatically defend them regardless.  There's nothing objective there.  If Peyton were a Pat and Brady were a Colt you'd be singing a different tune.

There's a reason they're no longer called the Boston Pats, even the owner wanted nothing to do with that city anymore.  Jim Plunkett was glad to get out of there and get to a team that had real men, and that was the 69ers before he went to the Raiders.  Even the Pats of when Plunkett was there were more manly than they are today.  Steve Grogan (Grogs) is more of a man than Brady is because at least he could take a hit without all the protective rules.  If they were to switch places in time when they played. Grogan would make it today.  Not so sure Brady would.  He definately couldn't last 16 years.

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What on earth are you talking about?   They use to play without helmets too.    You clearly have never watched Brady play -- he has taken his share of hard hits.   Brady is a pocket passer, and a damn good one.   Grogan ran the ball.  Two completely different QBs.

I can't even believe we are discussing this after the hit Brady took to his knee at the beginning of the year.   Did he whine about it -- hell no.   Would Manning (both) and most of the rest of the league's elites whine -- hell yeah.   

Please.  For the record I am a homer.  They don't make fair weather fans in New England. 

[USA4ME]

You're defending him because he is a Pat, and that's all.  You are incapable of critizing teams and players from Boston.  I can admire someone who likes their teams, but some do it to the point where you know they refuse to see it any other way but in a way that compliments their team.  And when it comes to teams from Boston, you fit that category.

Here, try and do it.  Let's see you rip the Pats, Celtics, Bruins, and BoSox like they've never been ripped before.  I'm betting you can't.  I see you ripping Boston teams, we'll talk.  Until you can do that, you're just a giant PR machine for Boston teams.  I'm sure IRL you're nice and all, but people who are just going to defend teams from Boston or wherever regardless, I already know what they're gonna say before they say it, and I can find that anywhere.  Nothing new.  Dime a dozen.

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[formerlurker]

You're defending him because he is a Pat, and that's all.  You are incapable of critizing teams and players from Boston.  I can admire someone who likes their teams, but some do it to the point where you know they refuse to see it any other way but in a way that compliments their team.  And when it comes to teams from Boston, you fit that category.

Here, try and do it.  Let's see you rip the Pats, Celtics, Bruins, and BoSox like they've never been ripped before.  I'm betting you can't.  I see you ripping Boston teams, we'll talk.  Until you can do that, you're just a giant PR machine for Boston teams.  I'm sure IRL you're nice and all, but people who are just going to defend teams from Boston or wherever regardless, I already know what they're gonna say before they say it, and I can find that anywhere.  Nothing new.  Dime a dozen.

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Yes I do talk smack about my teams, but defending all the players makes me laugh out loud.   Come see me during Red Sox season. 

You made a comment that Brady is milktoast, and I have never seen it -- once.   The guy has been slammed hard to the ground many many times, shakes it off and is back in the huddle.    Comparing him to Grogan -- two completely different styled QBs is baffling.     

You long for 1972.  Ok -- whatever.    The five yard rule came about because POS Polian and crybaby Manning/Dungy whined the Pats play too hard (that's right, they whined because our defense played too rough, whaaaaaa).    The Pats don't play peewee football.    The Steelers don't either.     Miami sure as hell does, but what am I saying.....  I am only capable of talking about the Patriots.....

Nevermind.

[formerlurker]

I just have to comment on how this conversation took the bizarre turn it did.

The Steelers won with the former rules in place, the Pats didn't. 

Well, if the "rules" made the game easier than the Steelers should have won pretty much every single year since they changed them.

'Cept they haven't.

Owners change, teams change, and the entire dynamic of football changed making it more difficult to build winning teams with the implementation of free agency and the salary cap.     Cowher and Belichick are cut from the same cloth in team building.   Belichick excels at it. 

I have no idea how we got from heaving hitting to you're a homer, but whatever.     I enjoy watching NFL football very much, since I was a youngster.   That isn't going to change because rules changed. 

I was a homer when the Pats royally sucked too.   As I stated, we don't breed fair weather fans in the Northeast.   

[USA4ME]

Well, if the "rules" made the game easier than the Steelers should have won pretty much every single year since they changed them.

'Cept they haven't.

The rule changes made it easier for pansy teams not to get hit too hard.  In doing so, it penalized the teams who did smash players into the ground.  There's a few teams who survived nonetheless, like the Steelers and the Cowboys.  Other teams who relied upon smashing the other teams senseless, like the Raiders, Dolphins, and Vikings, didn't fare as well.  Had the rules not changed, these teams would likely have continued to do well given they had done very well under those rules.

It didn't take a bizarre turn, I just pointed out that you defend Boston teams regardless and the same players you criticize on other teams you'd praise if they were on your teams.  And it's true, you do.  All fine and dandy, but someone who does that isn't really able to objectively view circumstances.  Someone like that who says "Ah, the Peyton Manning rule" would be saying "Ah, the Tom Brady rule" if Manning were on the Pats and Brady were on the Colts.  I know with 1,000,000 percent that's what would happen, it's not even up for discussion.

My only point is the game was more fun 40 years ago when they didn't sissy it down and I wish they'd go back.  Trying to tell me that certain teams are given more latitude doesn't mean anything.  Until they can absolutely beat each other senseless with head slaps, and clotheslines, and plaster of paris arms where the players stumble off the field happy they're only 95% to the point of being Darryl Stingley, then it's less than exciting as it once was.

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[formerlurker]

The rule changes made it easier for pansy teams not to get hit too hard.  In doing so, it penalized the teams who did smash players into the ground.  There's a few teams who survived nonetheless, like the Steelers and the Cowboys.  Other teams who relied upon smashing the other teams senseless, like the Raiders, Dolphins, and Vikings, didn't fare as well.  Had the rules not changed, these teams would likely have continued to do well given they had done very well under those rules.

It didn't take a bizarre turn, I just pointed out that you defend Boston teams regardless and the same players you criticize on other teams you'd praise if they were on your teams.  And it's true, you do.  All fine and dandy, but someone who does that isn't really able to objectively view circumstances.  Someone like that who says "Ah, the Peyton Manning rule" would be saying "Ah, the Tom Brady rule" if Manning were on the Pats and Brady were on the Colts.  I know with 1,000,000 percent that's what would happen, it's not even up for discussion.

My only point is the game was more fun 40 years ago when they didn't sissy it down and I wish they'd go back.  Trying to tell me that certain teams are given more latitude doesn't mean anything.  Until they can absolutely beat each other senseless with head slaps, and clotheslines, and plaster of paris arms where the players stumble off the field happy they're only 95% to the point of being Darryl Stingley, then it's less than exciting as it once was.

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Peyton has quite a record for requesting rule changes, that isn't a Boston homer thing and by the way I never cared for the guy.   If he was the chokemeister for Boston as he was for the Colts I would be calling for his head. 

There is a significant difference between talking smack, and what you are alluding to.     I have been very hard on Tom Brady since he hurt his knee -- his commitment to rehab a serious issue with me.    That said, you (collective you) throw bombs at him and I will absolutely defend him.    I am loyal to my team.    We eat our own, but the protective line is drawn to outsiders.    You attack what is ours, and you will get it back in spades.   That is what sports forums is all about.   

For instance, Red is pissed off at his Eagles for choking to a lesser team.   He allowed some attacks, but there is a limit to that.   Fast forward a week or so I remind him how McNabb choked yet once again in the playoffs he will hand me my head on a platter.   Sports forums aren't for crybabies, and pointing out "you're a homer" is just silly.   Of course we all are.    There wouldn't be professional sports (and college sports) if there weren't those "dime a dozen" homers who are loyal to their teams. 

It's all in good fun.   

[USA4ME]

That said, you (collective you) throw bombs at him and I will absolutely defend him.    I am loyal to my team.    We eat our own, but the protective line is drawn to outsiders.    You attack what is ours, and you will get it back in spades.   That is what sports forums is all about.

Maybe to someone who's 12, but for me, not interested.  Sports smack talk and all was cute and all maybe 30+ years ago to me, but it doesn't interest me now.

Nope, just not interested.  Someone sees my comments, let it be known right now they're wasting their time playing that silliness, so just don't bother at all.

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[formerlurker]

Maybe to someone who's 12, but for me, not interested.  Sports smack talk and all was cute and all maybe 30+ years ago to me, but it doesn't interest me now.

Nope, just not interested.  Someone sees my comments, let it be known right now they're wasting their time playing that silliness, so just don't bother at all.

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Full disclosure -- who are your professional sports teams? 

[USA4ME]

Full disclosure -- who are your professional sports teams? 

NFL - Falcons
NBA - Hawks
MLB - Braves
NHL - Thrashers

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[formerlurker]

NFL - Falcons
NBA - Hawks
MLB - Braves
NHL - Thrashers

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Completely understand now.   

[USA4ME]

Completely understand now.   

       

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!!  Atlanta fans can talk crap about their own teams, but outsiders start doing it AND WE'LL DRAW A PROTECTIVE LINE AND YOU'LL GET IT BACK IN SPADES!!!!!!

 

Yeah, *there's* the sign of a stable individual. 

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[dutch508]

     

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!!  Atlanta fans can talk crap about their own teams, but outsiders start doing it AND WE'LL DRAW A PROTECTIVE LINE AND YOU'LL GET IT BACK IN SPADES!!!!!!

 

Yeah, *there's* the sign of a stable individual. 

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Atlanta?

Do they have a football team?

 

[formerlurker]

     

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!!  Atlanta fans can talk crap about their own teams, but outsiders start doing it AND WE'LL DRAW A PROTECTIVE LINE AND YOU'LL GET IT BACK IN SPADES!!!!!!

 

Yeah, *there's* the sign of a stable individual. 

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Nerve has been touched.   See how easy that was?  You wouldn't have responded at all to that if it didn't bother you.   

I get it dude, no worries.   You can pass on the smack.   

[USA4ME]

Atlanta?

Do they have a football team?

 

Yeah, but it's GT. 

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[dutch508]

Yeah, but it's GT. 

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GT?

Girls touch? Hell. I'd watch that.

[USA4ME]

GT?

Girls touch? Hell. I'd watch that.

From what I've seen of you, dutch, you'd do more than just watch.  I'm guessing you'd grab a blonde and accept the 15 yeard penalty for illegal use of hands. 

For the record, I could care less about pro teams from Atlanta.

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[Red October]

I hear LT is looking for work.     


The rest of it Red --  , did the NFL network start a soap opera?   






 

Sheesh!    A woman always says "Show me... I promise I won't laugh."  Then what does she do?  She laughs. 

[NHSparky]

Atlanta?

Do they have a football team?

 

Don't laugh--somewhere in all my boxes of crap I've probably still got the bumper sticker from my college days which says, "Go Braves!  And take the Falcons with you!"

[john c calhoun]

Don't laugh--somewhere in all my boxes of crap I've probably still got the bumper sticker from my college days which says, "Go Braves!  And take the Falcons with you!"

I picked the chargers over the colts, steelers over the ravens & the cards over the eagles...

but I lost on the vikings, titans  & falcons...

I've got the Cardinals beating the steelers in the SB ...

who's with me !!

[formerlurker]

Don't laugh--somewhere in all my boxes of crap I've probably still got the bumper sticker from my college days which says, "Go Braves!  And take the Falcons with you!"

 

[formerlurker]

I picked the chargers over the colts, steelers over the ravens & the cards over the eagles...

but I lost on the vikings, titans  & falcons...

I've got the Cardinals beating the steelers in the SB ...

who's with me !!

Anything could happen.