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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2008, 09:45:30 PM »
Okay, so a whole bunch this guy predicted came to pass but what about things he predicted that didn't come to pass?

I remember back in the 1980's seeing some book called something like "The Coming Crash of the 1990's" and the 1990's came and went without a crash as far as I know.  It seems to me someone is always predicting the end of the world and I suppose eventually one such prognosticator will eventually be correct I just don't see it happening anytime soon.  And when it does finally happen, I'm sure it will be a good thing.  I mean, it will be the time for it to happen and nobody will really miss it once it is gone.
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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2008, 09:50:46 PM »
Okay, so a whole bunch this guy predicted came to pass but what about things he predicted that didn't come to pass?

Good point.  If he's just feeding a bunch of data into a computer, what's his accuracy rate?
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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2008, 09:56:51 PM »
Is it really necessary to store a year's worth of food in your pantry/freezer in this day and age??




Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? But I bought a 10 lb. bag of rice today for $6.37. That's enough to provide carbohydrates to the Tantal clan for about 25 meals. Beans? 10 lbs. for 9 bucks. Carbs, protien, and fiber. Spam? Stores for years and is mostly fat (9 cal. per gram) and some protien. Canned chicken and tuna? Mostly protien. You can actually stock up on the essentials relatively inexpensively. I figure I can get a year's worth of essential foods for about $1,500. If nothing happens, we just eat it, so I'm not really out any money. If something does happen, I'll be considered a genius.
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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2008, 09:59:44 PM »
You actually bought Spam?  I never cared for it.  I'm not sure what I would buy if I was going to stock up on canned meat.

Dinty Moore is the closest I get to canned meat.
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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2008, 10:03:35 PM »
Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? But I bought a 10 lb. bag of rice today for $6.37. That's enough to provide carbohydrates to the Tantal clan for about 25 meals. Beans? 10 lbs. for 9 bucks. Carbs, protien, and fiber. Spam? Stores for years and is mostly fat (9 cal. per gram) and some protien. Canned chicken and tuna? Mostly protien. You can actually stock up on the essentials relatively inexpensively. I figure I can get a year's worth of essential foods for about $1,500. If nothing happens, we just eat it, so I'm not really out any money. If something does happen, I'll be considered a genius.
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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2008, 04:09:27 AM »
Don't knock SPAM. Back in the early days, when SPAM was cheap and so were we, the X-wife would stick cloves in it, pour some pineapple glaze thing over it, sprinkle on a little brown sugar, stick it in the oven for a few minutes and hey! it wasn't bad.
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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2008, 05:36:40 AM »
Damn, I left my Burberry umbrella in my husband's car......  now what will I use when the sky starts to fall?   


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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2008, 05:46:51 AM »
I did a quick google of Celente to look at recent 'predictions" made by him and came across this blog.   I have no idea who this guy is, but he outlines some predictions and makes commentary on them:

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* In May 1993, in a story about fiftysomethings losing their jobs written for the Orange County Register, Celente was quoted. He was advising IBM at the time during a period of downsizing. What was Celente’s golden advice? He informed displaced executives to “go for some kind of counseling.” Asked to comment on this situation, Celente offered the same doom and gloom boilerplate that he’s telling us today: “The Industrial Age is ending. All the systems are breaking down and that means disappointment and disillusionment for the people who grew up in the ’50’s.” He elaborated, “These people believed in the Ozzie and Harriet way of life. That concept is dead. So is the concept of retiring at 65.” These were hardly prescient or specific thoughts, but they were certainly dramatic enough to make it into an Orange County newspaper.

* Why not get topical? Let’s take Celente on a more specialized subject like restaurants. In 1993, Celente predicted “growing demands for take-out food, high- and low-end restaurants, and restaurants that offer live entertainment. Middle-range restaurants with mainstream fare will suffer.” Aside from the fact that Celente’s prediction accounts for about 90% of restaurants, doesn’t the fact that human beings need to eat remain a comfy ledge to launch a prediction?
In 1998, Celente told Money Magazine that, as the population grows older, “Americans will be spending more time at home than ever before both for pleasure and business.” Imagine that. You grow old, retire, and then you suddenly have more time. How the hell did Celente know?

* In the September 21, 2000 edition of Newsweek, the great futurist weighed in on mindless chores. Why are they called mindless? “Your mind can’t be going all the time.” And when any problem becomes bigger, it becomes bigger than burnout. “It’s road rage, it’s air rage, it’s Columbine, it’s stress — and people don’t get it.” I’m wondering if it’s also the kind of impulse that will cause you to make impetuous predictions about the United States’s future.

* Asked by CBS News in May 2005 to comment upon where Dillard’s planned to go, Celente had this to say: “There is nothing Dillard’s has that you can’t find in 1,000 other places. America is vastly overstored.” Take out “Dillard’s” and sub it in with another department store chain name, and you begin to see what little Celente’s remarks say. But if we’re in for a future of doom and gloom, Celente has been sending us some mixed messages. He told the Associated Press in May 2005, “The bottom of the luxury market is not going to fall out.”

* Talking with the Associated Press in September 2005, Celente suggested that Wal-Mart could deflect its negative image with its philanthropy. That’s hardly a stunning insight. Any positive action has the probability of causing a company to look good. This is rudimentary probability. But what profound thoughts did our great seer tell the AP? “We try to refrain from making value judgments — what the motive is. But the fact is that [Wal-Mart was] there with trailer trucks being turned away. Amazing, isn’t it?” Amazing indeed. Presumably, the AP reporter who talked with Celente did so because the reporter needed somebody to describe the situation as “amazing” or “magnificent.” Some casual modifier that might be confused for profound thought.

* Celente was asked to weigh in on Internet trends by the San Francisco Chronicle’s Patricia Yollin in December 2006. “People are more electronically connected and less humanly connected,” opined our great psychic. And if that general piece of advice wasn’t enough, Celente also took the time to badmouth public displays of affection, pointing out how unacceptable it was to put PDA in “techno jargon.” Perhaps Celente confused PDA with another type of PDA, but what he didn’t seem to tell the reporter was that acronyms have existed long before the Internet.


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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2008, 06:50:53 AM »
silly me, I thought it was a requirement for taking mamacags out on a date.  :naughty:  :-)

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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2008, 07:24:11 AM »
silly me, I thought it was a requirement for taking mamacags out on a date.  :naughty:  :-)

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No, that would be an almond snickers bar and some duct tape.

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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2008, 07:27:38 AM »
Now that's just wrong....



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That's just WRONG!


That looks like NYLON rope fer cripesake.

Everyone knows that you use shaved and singed hemp rope for things like that.

Unless that's silk in which case it's sorta classy but overpriced.

Also they forgot the D-ring attachment.

Amateurs.  :whatever:
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2008, 07:39:40 AM »
On topic again, keeping a couple of months worth of non perishable emergency supplies on hand is a good idea even in the best of times. I have worked in places that were without power and running water for weeks and people there were still expected to drive to their jobs and work.

The best stuff is nitrogen packed freeze dried food.  They come in big #10 cans and they have a realistic shelf life of 50 years or more.  Packing grain, beans and rice in one or two pound air sealed bags and then storing them in 5 gallon sealed buckets from Lowes or Home Depot is a fairly cheap but very efficient way to go as well. Those will pretty much keep indefinitely. (And they stack well in out of the way corners.)

Buying a single burner propane camp stove and an attachment that lets you run it off of the 20 pound propane tanks you use for the grill is a cheap way to ensure you can cook and sterilize water. I have a 2 burner coleman stove and 5 of those tanks on hand plus the one on the grill.

BELIEVE me, when you are hungry and there isn't anything else, MRES and freeze dried eggs are pretty nice to have laying around.

A BIG stock pot is an essential as well. A 20+ quart stock pot can be used to boil a days worth of water in a very short amount of time.

Don't forget a few bottles of multi vitamins.



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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2008, 08:03:33 AM »
Two cases of MRE's, I have my own well and septic, generator, and enough dry goods to last me nearly six months.  And while I don't have a rifle, I've still got the shotgun and .45 for now.  All I need is a few bottles of propane (I currently have four) and it's all good.
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Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2008, 10:33:17 AM »
Storing propane? I'll pass.
I have and will only use an old skool grill that lights up with charcoal and a match.  Not only do I enjoy my bar b q flavor better with a charcoal grill....but I also don't have to buy those heavy propane tanks that probably are not cheap (although I don't really know since I never bought one)

My dad loves his propane grill....but I like the REAL fire.


OH, and ASDF...you're a FREAK!

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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2008, 11:24:38 AM »
Personally, he could have a 1% accuracy rate (99 predictions flat-out wrong for every 1 he guessed right) and it still doesn't change how seriously I view the next four years ahead of us.  Call it a blind squirrell finding the occasional nut, but I think in this case you'd damned near have to be that blind squirrell to see how bad Dear Leader and his merry band of idiots are going to be.

Put it this way:  the fed gub'mint generates and monitors the numbers that "tell us" whether the economy is growing or is in recession.  Yesterday's announcement from that numbnuts Hank Paulson that we are in a recession (well, duh, Hank!  :thatsright: ) and that the economy has BEEN IN A RECESSION (2 consecutive quarters of negative growth before it's official) SINCE DECEMBER OF 07  (how many of us poor dumb bastards have you poo-pooed and pilloried as "naysayers" and "talking down the economy" over the past year because we dared to state the very same - obvious - thing?!?).  It is proof positive that our "caring, concerned" gub'mint is not above outright lying to the American people, calling into question what our own guts tell is is really going on in order to get us to follow through on a course of action that our guts tell us will lead us to disaster ("just keep spending").  

And this is under the Bush administration; a man who, while I could spend hours going off on the various and numerous political faults he possesses in abundance, inherent, instinctual dishonesty is not on that list, to my knowledge.  Now take that known gub'mint MO, and insert a known dishonest, megalomaniac Dear Leader in place of honest President Bush (and then insert key players in the orchestration of the current fiscal crisis we find ourselves mired in, into the key treasury and "economic council" slots that president Bush currently has filled with merely incompetent personnel).

It is reasons such as this that those 20,000 US Soldiers to "bolster Domestic Security", I think.  I think that the Washington elites are finding that the rest of us down here in flyover country aren't quite the sheeple that they had presumed we were.  If we aren't sheeple, then they question whether they can blithely lead us down whatever primrose path they want us to trod, and then the question of, "if they won't follow, how do we get them there anyway" arises in their cynical little minds.  They being big gub'mint types, and therefore accustomed to using force of arms in the implementation of their "benevolent policies", it's a small leap for them to apply force of arms more broadly, to other social policies that flyover Americans are less inclined to go on their own.  Hence 20,000 troops, and their political leadership treading dangerously close to Posse Comitatus violations and providing an excellent example of why the Founding Fathers were so opposed to the Federal Government having a standing army at their beck and call.

I do not necessarily think that every individual point of his "prediction" will come to pass, but using it as a worst case, and using the remaining good days/weeks/months we have left before the Messiah's enlightened ministry triggers the trapdoor under this recession to drop into something much, much worse; to make the logistical and interpersonal preparations necessary to stand united against these elites; by preparing for this "worst case", we're much better prepared for the lesser, more probable cases we're likely to encounter in reality.
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2008, 12:17:15 PM »

OH, and ASDF...you're a FREAK!

What... I'm a freak for believing in preparedness?   

Lot's of people store emergency supplies.

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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2008, 03:49:39 PM »
What... I'm a freak for believing in preparedness?   

Lot's of people store emergency supplies.

:uhsure:

The post above that one, ya know, the one critiquing the ropes..... :tongue:

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« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2008, 04:49:50 PM »



 :bolt:

All we got to tie up in Scouts were trees and sticks and stuff. Now, I could of really got into some serious knot tying if this had been the case.
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2008, 08:24:56 PM »
The post above that one, ya know, the one critiquing the ropes..... :tongue:

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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2008, 08:39:33 PM »
Don't knock SPAM. Back in the early days, when SPAM was cheap and so were we, the X-wife would stick cloves in it, pour some pineapple glaze thing over it, sprinkle on a little brown sugar, stick it in the oven for a few minutes and hey! it wasn't bad.

Grilled SPAM and eggs over fried rice--Hawaiian breakfast of champions.

Oh, and back O/T...this guy looks like he's pushing to replace Jeanne Dixon--and has about the same accuracy of prediction record as well.  Shit, even broken clocks are right at least twice a day.
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2008, 08:44:49 PM »
Storing propane? I'll pass.
I have and will only use an old skool grill that lights up with charcoal and a match.  Not only do I enjoy my bar b q flavor better with a charcoal grill....but I also don't have to buy those heavy propane tanks that probably are not cheap (although I don't really know since I never bought one)

My dad loves his propane grill....but I like the REAL fire.


OH, and ASDF...you're a FREAK!

They're not that expensive--I get them for $40 apiece.  Refills used to be about $20, but has fallen of late. 
I agree that inside or even in the garage ain't the best place to store them.  I put them out in the shed with the rest of the power tools and spare gasoline.  Try grilling or cooking when you just ran out of your last bag of charcoal and there isn't any more.

BTW--I do use a significant amount of propane, especially in summer--my mosquito magnet runs off propane and I grill just about every night from April through October.  Also, were I so inclined (and rich enough) I suppose I could put a 15 KW generator which runs off propane and hardwire it directly to the house, but meh.

And finally, hawkgirl--what's so freak about a little kinky hanky-panky between consenting adults?
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2008, 12:40:55 AM »


And finally, hawkgirl--what's so freak about a little kinky hanky-panky between consenting adults?

Nothing at all, if you recall, I'm the one who posted an example of the japanese bondage technique....I'm no angel....I was just ribbing ASDF...and I'm sure he took it that way, although tone is sometimes lost in text communication... ;)

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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2008, 06:45:20 AM »
Grilled SPAM and eggs over fried rice--Hawaiian breakfast of champions.

Oh, and back O/T...this guy looks like he's pushing to replace Jeanne Dixon--and has about the same accuracy of prediction record as well.  Shit, even broken clocks are right at least twice a day.

She was all the rage to some of my college friends back in the mid-60's.... :rotf: ....and Nostradamus(sp?)....idiots. Yeah, they were all democrats.
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« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2008, 07:34:55 AM »
Nothing at all, if you recall, I'm the one who posted an example of the japanese bondage technique....I'm no angel....I was just ribbing ASDF...and I'm sure he took it that way, although tone is sometimes lost in text communication... ;)

Actually I cried for about an hour and then ate half a tub of cookie dough and then posted on about 75 different internet boards about how mean you are.

Then I beat my family in misdirected frustration.

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« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2008, 10:50:13 AM »
I was considering obtaining a couple of 100 lb propane cylinders. They're not as easy to cart around and will take some mods to hook up to a grill, but they'd sure last a lot longer.

Hawkgirl, ever try boiling water or frying eggs over a charcoal grill?? My grill has a side burner that's just perfect for stovetop type cooking. THAT'S why the propane, it's not for "flavour". The new propane grills kind of suck. I really liked the ones with the ceramic inserts or lava rocks. I could get some decent flavour out of those types.
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