subway cat explains Hate to us

[franksolich]

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/undergroundpanther/119

Oh my.

Cautionary note, however; this isn't in any of the regular forums on Skins's island; it's from the subway cat's "journal" on Skins's island.

Double-triple-super cautionary note; this is where one can see a self-posted photograph of the subway cat.

I've omitted the links the subway cat gives, as they're stupid links.

Now, on the Head of St. John the Baptist, I read the whole thing--having been enured to long screeds from my long-time observations of the Bostonian Drunkard--although I wouldn't blame others for reading just little bits and parts of it.

The subway cat's having "issues" with her ancient mother, and her psychiatrists, is basically it in a nutshell.

Why they HATE us..
Posted by undergroundpanther in General Discussion
Sun Oct 12th 2008, 05:56 PM

Really deep down past all politics, There is a war of two types.

Two types of personalities,who thrive in two different kinds of cultures.

The sociopath/authoritarian/bully/narcissist personality types..

Who thrive in authoritarian,competitive,selfish,ruthless greedy hierarchical types of cultures,a leader in this culture dominates all underneath,a cancer/hive mind like arrangement that fears changes, strives for cultural uniformity,dominates,uses,abuses people,kills things it can't conquer or understand,lets leaders take and expects nothing in return,conquers nature by destroying it and consuming it..until death.They HATE us.But they need us to abuse and they exploit us and pretend they can do without us.They are predatory parasites operating in a hierarchical structure,to exploit whatever it can and give nothing in return.It has a pyramid shape.The tip is for the few "self made" false "leaders" and each social strata layer below the top obeys the layer above, and it rests upon the backs and suffering of those below.And there are alot of people on the very bottom suffering and powerless and heavily exploited.

VS

Everyone else.Those who can get along together without exploitation at someone else's expense.non predatory,cooperative,shares tasks, isn't threatened by diversity, welcomes changes,understands egalitarianism,respects relationships and obligations,shares,and loves,and helps those less strong and fortunate,the leaders of these cultures are there to make each person a leader of them self..The leaders are not given power over people they are expected to give more to others than he takes in a egalitarian type of culture. Relationships are horizontal networks.

This difference in the personalities is not clearly drawn in black or white at first glance most of the time however.

But there are clear boundaries,each of us have and when they are broken,repeatedly the violations create a pattern of abuse that can trace behaviors that over time will reveal the nature of a person's character no matter how he talks or appears at the time.This over time observation concerning relationships to boundaries can reveal alot about a person,a family,a 'leader', a corporation, or even a government.This corruption was recognized in the US Bill of rights even.

This conflict of types of persons has been ongoing problem just under the surface of issues regarding religion, politics,economics, justice, childrearing, and just about every other issue that impacts our lives. The root of all this conflict continues unseen as long as we DO NOT recognize being around ,or giving power to certain personality types as dangers to our collective and individual health.

What the more idealistic decent people don't understand is certain toxic personalities won't change and be nice if you just give them compassion because IT IS WHO they ARE.

What makes them so mean greedy or abusive is WHO THEY ARE..These toxic people see themselves as perfect and in no need of changing.

Sop they'll just play along sucking you dry until they get bored or move on.
 
Society denies the damage their personality causes to all of us who are NOT LIKE THEM.Traumatizing us in any way a bully can to TRY to make US like THEM is their answer.Teaching us to HATE victims,teaching us to minimize our own outrage at being harmed used,abused of taken advantage of,and they teach us to BLAME ourselves first,they exploit and twist our sense of responsibility to each other and our remorse at what happened to get away with more abuse..

Ever wonder why so little of the vast government fund's go to child welfare and domestic abuse,or rape crisis,monetary help for destitute people,or feeding the homeless? Why do victims get shamed or minimized or ignored or even people by-stand as a person is being victimized? Meanwhile why do Ceo's getting HUGE salaries and golden parachutes get billions of welfare to save these bad companies run by these ruthless irresponsible greedy bullies,that were so irresponsible? Do they have no SHAME?

In fact no,they have no shame.and if you observe they shamelessly want more and pressure congress to give it to them as they go to posh resorts.They will shamelessly take until they can no longer get away with it because of who they are their personality types...And that shapes the priorities they have.

The bullies of the world do protect their own kind somewhat, they share a predatory mindset that insures they keep power to themselves and keep others under control.They have similar enough agendas to act together to do crimes or exploit nations.There IS the Good 'ole boy networks.Sadly our protective kin networks have been seriously undermined by the way our society is structured around jobs and consumerism ,and by who has power over it...

Too often in our society the victim is labeled .You do not see the real person. Even in charity, one gives not to a real person but to an organization. And people are forced to go through bureaucratic hoops fro assistance, all the while feeling diminished as a victim, or as being poor.

That cultural reaction to disrespect the victim is no accident,for a victim has a voice that if heard and acted upon by too many people could destroy the networks,schemes of a predatory toxic person or corporation.It could blow the cover and the game.

Because our culture has been traumatized and trained by authoritarian based institutions like, parents ,church ,school,jobs,all are top down hierarchical structures that gradually WARP our self hood conscience,and make us compromise our integrity bit by bit,so slow it isn't even seen,until we gain courage to ask why we do what we do,and most people do not like the cognitive dissonance and anxiety such thoughts create in their own heads they just bury it,forget about it and cope another day.

This denial system serves well the few narcissists/authoritarians/sociopaths
/bullies/abusers(financial abuse included here)to"get ahead" or "win".

"We realized that it summarizes what happens in societies that systematically traumatize their citizens for purposes of control. Dominator societies don’t want us to be who we are. Our being who we are proves inconvenient, because dominator systems want us to be who they tell us to be. They don’t want our creativity. They want our obedience. They don’t want our real selves. They want our traumatized selves, our frozen rabbit selves, ready to sacrifice everything for the promise of safety and security.

If, however,(we believe) there is nothing we can do, then we learn helplessness. If the control-paradigm parent, teacher, spouse, or boss cannot be stopped, then our self-efficacy disappears."

(*Unlike the site linked,I don't believe the bible solves anything but the link above DOES clearly describe the effects of social domination/traumatizing well,that's why I linked to it.*)

So to endure and "contain" the trauma of being forced to pretend,people play make believe, the people without these poison personalities tell themselves lies to endure it,to cope with having to be dependent upon abusers who position themselves in powerful social places.This is why some support the wall street bailout they really believe their lives depend on the system that exploits them. We tell ourselves and each other evil little lies like: "boys will be boys","she asked for it" "you can't fight city hall".."He's the boss it's his company he can do what he wants to with it".And that is playing MAKE BELIEVE in a moral sense.. This culture does this crap one way or another.And we must find a way to question and debunk these beliefs.

Here is a whole study justifying the lies our hierarchy tells us,
"Hierarchy, inequality, and violence have always been part of human social structures. There were always rulers and ruled, leaders and followers, the fortunate and the needy, the powerful and the weak. Various cultures have treated disparities in status, power, fortune, and ability in different ways."

This article lies and says a few truths too.One BIG lie is the premise,the article writer takes human social hierarchy as a "given fact".The writer IGNORES the fact not every culture follows the top down hierarchy model. That is the lie every social hierarchy needs us to believe . But it only seems true because the top down bully cultures for centuries have been busy wiping all the non-hierarchical cultures off the planet,including the collective memory of that way of life..Some indigenous cultures are not top down in social structure and did well for a very,very long time..

I think,humans once formed societies to benefit all members of said culture in a group effort, co-creation of civilization to mitigate the harsh realities of nature. Maybe this is why we formed civilizations to begin with.To help each other survive the harsher times nature dishes out to life on this planet, like droughts or floods.

Anthropologists identify egalitarian cultures as "Kinship-oriented," because they value social harmony more than wealth or status.Egalitarian cultures minimize inequalities, while hierarchical cultures emphasize the importance of rank and status. Seems somewhere along the line of history this civilization project became hijacked by authoritarians/sociopaths/narcissists and with them and under their "leadership"(abuse), came social hierarchy inequality, and empires and wars,overtaking egalitarian cultures looting,raping,conquering,converting,attempting to erase them.

Life in a hierarchical culture like ours is,is very much like the situation of a child stuck in a dysfunctional(abusive) home, if you are not of the dominator class.Everyone avoids the truth that this is sick and what makes us sick.
The fake "alpha" and obedience to that fake "alpha",catering to the fake "alphas"is the problem we must overcome.

We have to stop tolerating the intolerable and telling ourselves and each other that something intolerable is tolerable.

We have to grow up and abandon or contain these "authorities" and "alpha assholes and their 'culture'. We have to learn to speak to them in the language THEY can understand. The language of DOMINATION and SUBMISSION.

While we re-learn how to listen and talk to EACH OTHER with Emotional compassion,respect,honesty and empathy.

We must as a species learn to recognize the toxic personality from the non-toxic,and speak to each in their own language.

Telling sensitized traumatized people telling you you are hurting them to grow thicker skins makes observers more callous and indifferent to others suffering.It makes the blood drop a few degrees colder as we give each other 'permission' to lurch a tiny step closer to the mentality of the alpha dominator asshole,or the thoughtless selfish predator.We might not like what we become if we keep belittling,denying a voice to, and hurting the weakest among us.

The Authoritarian/narcissist and sociopaths unlike people that choose to be an ass to others sometimes,have NO inner locus of control.They feel no shame, guilt or remorse.They do not FEEL trauma or abuse like non toxic people do.They have no conscience.They know right from wrong technically but they don't give a shit about that and find it fun to dupe the laws. They want to dismantle the structures in us that fuel our compassion,love and stop the urges we have to help others weaker than us.Love and empathy is what binds a compassionate culture together and the social contract reflects this.The sociopaths/authoritarians.and narcissistic people want freedom from the social contract we live through that enables us to live in peace together

The authoritarian /sociopath/narcissist believes what holds society together is obedience to POWER that holds society together.(usually it means the toxic personalities "power" that is abusive and traumatizing and creates FEAR and obedience in normal non abusive people. Trauma and obedience out of fear of "consequences" that force people into a dilemma that that has no good choice that helps the top down hierarchy structure these bullies impose on us if we DEFER to them and Know Our Places.

These warped personality types see as prey and we deserve whatever they do to us because we are less than they are in their self serving appraisals.To them everything has a price tag and it can be stolen sold or exploited and consumed,when it is used up they toss it away,and the used becomes a victim.A victim that haunts them as long as that victim knows the truth,the predator will try to shut them up or minimize them or discredit them to save face and maintain the illusion of the regular guy or pillar in the community role.Because the victim is the only kind of conscience that can counter them,like behavioral control,conscience as well must be imposed from outside for these predatory people.

Truth is we have to stop thinking like prey, question the validity of common beliefs and help each other see through and heal traumas that conditioned us all to be domesticated,accept internecine competing and afraid. We are NOT prey and we can listen to a victim and stand by them.We can limit the abusers of power and make it so they are powerless,and contained or if need be, eliminated.

Our very survival and maybe even survival of many other species or the ecosystem may depend on us learning this lesson.

And stopping the predatory destructive psychopathic men and women that are hellbent on subjecting everything on Earth to their controlling sick whims.They are killing life on Earth attempting to protect this imposing ,self serving game to keep power-over,control, illusion of certainty ,high social status,unchecked predatory behavior without accountability,over-wealth for self at expense of most,and an energy-intensive system that dominates most and sickens everything so they can do what they want to do and no one can tell them to not do it..

This is a personality conflict, it is the real issue underneath the"right wing" /"left wing" conflicts too.

It is the real reason we have a "justice system"laws,and jails and why sometimes jails contain the wrong people and so little is done to restore the integrity of justice.

This conflict of the psyches is why corporations,governments,churches and military get away with doing such bad things and get huge corporate welfare checks(bailouts) while homeless people are hated and harassed and left to die.

That stubborn obedience to the authority most people have in them is being abused by the morally and ethically bankrupted personalities among us who put on the illusion of power,success and"alpha-ness" to exploit us.That is why we accept we live as we are forced to live and why we pretend it is OK to live this way and let the Earth die around us,while we tell ourselves there is NO other options..No other way to run a culture.As it crumbles right before our eyes and the corruption is visible,and we do not take the risks to stop it until it has gotten so bad ,entrenched and large we cannot lie to ourselves anymore.Often by then it is too late and many people die before we come around as a collectively to the see the truth and disobey and attack the illegitimate authorities causing our suffering.

Truth is we don't have to tolerate any of these sociopaths/narcissistic/authoritarian assholes.

We never have to give in to their demands ,do things their way,depend on them or anything else if we have each other. We can speak up or act if WE think something a boss or teacher is doing is wrong..We can say NO you CAN'T DO THAT to us...and if we stand with each other in taking the risk to stand up, we can back it up with any FORCE required to MAKE THEM STOP hurting and abusing people not like themselves and the world.

Martin Luther king was one side of the coin that FORCED civil rights to be recognized,Alot of people focus on him and exclude the other force operating to get civil rights recognized also,The Black Panthers .They were ready to fight and kill for their rights to be treated as human beings and to vote,if peaceful persuasion failed to be heeded.And they HAD to fight and show that they had FORCE to back up Martin Luther's dream.

The first and most obvious condition is that non-violence should carry is the moral weight that makes violent retaliation unconscionable. If the people you are fighting against have no morality , feel no shame,guilt,remorse or fear of you, than non-violence cannot and will not solve the problem.It will just get people killed.That is not non violence, it is stupidity.Prey behavior.Giving the bullies permission to abuse MORE.

We can stop them if we do it together, if we can each learn the value of disobedience,learn to say NO,learn to take the RISK of doing the right thing,even if it upsets things and breaks the status quo or offends. We have to stand up with each other in the face of a bully be it a domestic tyrant or a corporation.And if we can just stop pretending bad people want to be 'good'people when they've had a pattern of being predatory for YEARS, if we just give them another chance,because truth is after years of getting away with it,they don't want to change or they can't.We would be misplacing our pity giving it to whom caused the suffering at the expense of those harmed.And this I think is morally wrong.

These personalities are NOT LIKE OURS.They can do stuff we would not do because they are different.Give up that solipsist notion we are all the same,because we are NOT. We have to act on all levels to see these bullies as the squatters occupying positions of power they should not be trusted with, and the tyrants that they ARE,We can't afford to play nice anymore with ruthless people,we have to use our claws to fight them to tear them apart and the toxic social structures they built to serve themselves down,time is growing short the planet cannot sustain this level of abuse and consuming without the ecosystem breaking down..These bad people they not only want control but to destroy.They WANT a world without LOVE and without life that is happy,healthy and diverse and respectful of all our relations..

I know it sounds so cold blooded to fight them lock them up or even kill them..But some things cannot be tolerated by a society IF we want to survive.

These abusive people they are tyrants,bullies, they love death,trauma and suffering and imposing it on others in all it's forms,mental death,personal death,bodily death,planet death.They get off on the destruction of anything good,unique,giving, gentle, caring,loving or alive. Maybe because inside they are dead already,cold blooded in the sense of what makes us humane and able to love,is not there in them.

That lack is the reason they cannot be trusted to care about life and see it as the fragile,unique, precious yet tenuous thing full of potential and diversity that it is .They are dead inside morally and are driven by their own blind toxic nature,to overtake and replicate themselves in others or invade their lives and hijack them, like an ebola virus or a toxic algae bloom,that traumatizes and kills all it touches .So do authoritarians/narcissists/and sociopaths.Bad people can never be trusted to protect the vulnerable,beautiful,creative and different from the ravages of nature or bad humans,at all.Nor can they share what belongs to all of us,the land,air,water,or the fruits of our collective labors without spoiling it or "owning it"and depriving someone from touching it .. for all they want is to dominate everything use it than destroy it so no one else can "have" some.In this world there is plenty for all to have enough,if we all share it with each other.No one needs to be suffering because of the few mean,abusive and greedy among us.

[Rebel]

We need to file a class action lawsuit against the doctor that delivered that thing.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/undergroundpanther/119

Oh my.

Cautionary note, however; this isn't in any of the regular forums on Skins's island; it's from the subway cat's "journal" on Skins's island.

Double-triple-super cautionary note; this is where one can see a self-posted photograph of the subway cat.

I've omitted the links the subway cat gives, as they're stupid links.

Now, on the Head of St. John the Baptist, I read the whole thing--having been enured to long screeds from my long-time observations of the Bostonian Drunkard--although I wouldn't blame others for reading just little bits and parts of it.

The subway cat's having "issues" with her ancient mother, and her psychiatrists, is basically it in a nutshell.

Don't know if you've ever gone to her myspace page Frank...but it is to say the least uh!..........interesting in that as sick and crazy as people here {and everywhere...except Skins Island}think that she is her posts at DU don't do her justice!

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4224723

So I go to General Discussions, to see what's being said.

There's a lot being said, so only a few examples:

HEyHEY  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 05:58 PM
Response to Original message
 
1. Actually the real reason was the obviously homebrewed bottle of wine you brought to dinner

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #1

4. Hey hey

I don't Drink.I do not like being drunk. You are just being an ass.

If you, don't have anything useful or insightful to add to this thread and are just going to be rude and snark which any asshole can do..Leave. You are not welcome.

I guess you failed to see you are doing a great job in demonstrating the very problem of personalities I am speaking of in my OP.

hey hey =epic fail!!

HEyHEY  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #4

6. WOW!

You're dense. I was making a friendly, lighthearted jab at you. And you bully me and start acting in the exact manner your post is condeming? Welcome to hypocriteville. 

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
 
32. Umm

How was I supposed to infer that by type alone?

I have dealt with the most rude assholes,they jab and poke to provoke.

I could not tell what your intention was.

And why poke? I didn't expect this thread to become a joke, did you?

Anyways no harm no foul..carry on!

But please let me know it's not to provoke next time.

Xipe Totec  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
 
2. I wanted to understand your point,

But I could not get past the impenetrable wall of text.

Just saying....

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #2

5. Read it slower

Some of my posts are long because I am trying to explain complex things,and linking together many concepts. If it is too much text for you to read at once,why not read it in chunks, bookmark it and take your time,there's no rush..Ever read a book? That is far more text to read than reading this post and the OP. Do you read things longer than two paragraphs , or not? And why is that MY problem.It is NOT my problem it is yours.

So,instead of trying to be rude to me,Why not be responsible,either a: don't read it and go to simpler threads or the lounge or b: bookmark it read and it in chunks,over time or c: Try a little harder to read it. or d: leave the comments for people who CAN read it and glean what you can from that

See It's Simple!

It's the subway cat's problem if one gets so verboise and boring people don't read what she writes.

OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts)      Sun Oct-12-08 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
 
9. Most people will NOT take the time to digest that much dry info....no matter how much you point simpleton fingers at them. I'm sure you have good points in your OP, but after reading how you disregard others, they will be ignored now.

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
 
26. Some will read it

Some won't bother..It's not my call to make.

You can click off this thread at any time ya know just like everybody else.

But whoever reads my OP or ignores it is not my concern..I will not tolerate being insulted on a thread I started for trying to express a difficult subject and my thoughts on the OP, just because a few find it too complex,the wrong style or too long and get all defensive and rude to me about it.

Anyone who is not being rude to me can ask me to explain it or simplify things for them they don't quite get and I can try to do that.

My OP was not about you or attacking you.If it applies somehow and that upset you,well that's not my problem is it?

Look,there are TONS of people writing on this board why not go read their posts you might like them better than mine,I dunno...

And this idea that I should keep my thoughts short and simple just for the ones who think they can't read it,that is a bit narcissistic I think.

The boundary issue here is don't be an asshole to me because you didn't like my post.

I will maintain my boundaries regardless of what anyone thinks or does.

Geez.

Xipe Totec  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
 
10. Typically, long posts have a summary to let the reader know where the post is leading.

You might try being kinder and gentler to your readers...

That is, if you're really interested in getting your point across.

Just saying.

It's up to you, but chastising the readers is not a good way to encourage them.

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #10
 
34. Well

I just wrote it.I had the thoughts so I put them down, when I posted it it was what it was. I don't understand why a summary is so important because anyone can bookmark it and read it at their leisure.I don't know if I could summarize a complex thought I just had on the fly because of the way my mind works..

I do long posts, often .Have been doing them here since I came here.

Xipe Totec  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #34
 
36. Well

Carry on then.

Without me.

See ya!

JVS  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-13-08 05:19 AM
Response to Reply #5

81. Write it shorter.

PeaceNikki  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
 
11. Sorry, I don't understand this. 

Could you please include one of those hilarious cat pictures with internet slang?

PeaceNikki  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #58
 
59. Wow. You have the same paragraph structure/inability to space after punctuation as the OP.

You related?

You know, I've had a sense for a long time now--ever since she first showed up at our old home, briefly, when looking for a doll for her toddler nephew or something (I forget)--that the PeaceNikki primitive, despite her stupid politics, would make a hot date, in the same sense that Clare Booth Luce would have.

A lot of witty repartoire and that sort of thing.

King Sandbox  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-12-08 07:34 PM
Response to Original message
 
38. I glazed over everything until you started advocating killing people.

Raksha (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-13-08 03:01 AM
Response to Reply #69
 
78. You should make this post into a poem...because it already is one, or at least three-quarters of the way there. You wouldn't need to do much to it, just smooth out the rough edges a little bit. There is so much truth and fire in it, I thought you were channeling the first time I read it. And then I realized it was a poem.

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-13-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #78
 
94. I dunno what it was

Brain on paper.I guess.

It goes on and on.....

[Rebel]

How the hell do they get away with calling conservatives "Authoritarian"? Ever been to the country, where it's very conservative? How about the city, where it's usually very liberal? Ok, WHICH one has all the damn rules in place? THE F'N CITY. Moonbats like the ones that are doing this to this lady:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-garage18-2008oct18,0,5661304.story

[franksolich]

How the hell do they get away with calling conservatives "Authoritarian"? Ever been to the country, where it's very conservative? How about the city, where it's usually very liberal? Ok, WHICH one has all the damn rules in place? THE F'N CITY.

No point in trying to ask commonsensical questions like that, Rebel.

The subway cat has the inside of her skull resembling very much a lurid grotesque painting by Goya; it's all blurry and draggy and horror-filled.

She's an excellent psychiatric study, but I find the neuroses and psychoses of Pedro Picasso more interesting, myself.

[Rebel]

She's an excellent psychiatric study, but I find the neuroses and psychoses of Pedro Picasso more interesting, myself.

I think a psychiatrist would go nuts trying to study that fruitcake.

[Chris_]

We need to file a class action lawsuit against the doctor that delivered that thing.

Perp walk that doc to the Hague for a crime against humanity. That should fit the primitive mold.

[franksolich]

I think a psychiatrist would go nuts trying to study that fruitcake.

From what I've seen, there's only two solutions to the problems of the subway cat.

One is a total lobotomy.

The other is coercing her to work--surely a primitive wouldn't be against that, given how primitive icons such as Stalin, Hitler, Fidel, Yugo, and that little guy up there in North Korea, followed, or follow, that practice.

The main problem with the subway cat is her personal anarchy.

She resembles nothing more than a big blubbery whale flopping all over.

She doesn't follow any regular routine, or impose any self-discipline.

I have no doubt the subway cat's physically capable of working.

She could for example be one of these orange-vested people loaded up in a pick-up truck, and sent out to pick up litter from the municipal streets and municipal trash-bins; we do that all the time here in Nebraska, and pay them well too.

The subway cat's capable of doing that, but there's a bigger problem.

Not the labor itself, but that it would involve having to show up at 8:00 a.m. every day, and sticking with the work until 5:00 p.m. every day, five days a week.

The subway cat couldn't do that; she's not used to regular routine.

It would require an armed man to show up at her gated-community townhouse every morning circa 7:45 a.m. to drag her out to work.  Again, it's not the work, but that she would have to be regular, dependable, reliable.

That's so much trouble, though, probably a total lobotomy would be cheaper for society.

[USA4ME]

undergroundpanther

The sociopath/authoritarian/bully/narcissist personality types..

Who thrive in authoritarian,competitive,selfish,ruthless greedy hierarchical types of cultures,a leader in this culture dominates all underneath,a cancer/hive mind like arrangement that fears changes, strives for cultural uniformity,dominates,uses,abuses people,kills things it can't conquer or understand,lets leaders take and expects nothing in return,conquers nature by destroying it and consuming it..until death.They HATE us.But they need us to abuse and they exploit us and pretend they can do without us.They are predatory parasites operating in a hierarchical structure,to exploit whatever it can and give nothing in return.It has a pyramid shape.The tip is for the few "self made" false "leaders" and each social strata layer below the top obeys the layer above, and it rests upon the backs and suffering of those below.And there are alot of people on the very bottom suffering and powerless and heavily exploited.

Boy, if Democratic nominee Il Duce becomes prez, she's going to hate him.

.

[Carl]

Hey crazy lady.....show up in Iran or other muzzi countries looking like you do and see what the good folks there will do to you.

[Bondai]

From what I've seen, there's only two solutions to the problems of the subway cat.

One is a total lobotomy.

The other is coercing her to work--surely a primitive wouldn't be against that, given how primitive icons such as Stalin, Hitler, Fidel, Yugo, and that little guy up there in North Korea, followed, or follow, that practice.

The main problem with the subway cat is her personal anarchy.

She resembles nothing more than a big blubbery whale flopping all over.

She doesn't follow any regular routine, or impose any self-discipline.

I have no doubt the subway cat's physically capable of working.

She could for example be one of these orange-vested people loaded up in a pick-up truck, and sent out to pick up litter from the municipal streets and municipal trash-bins; we do that all the time here in Nebraska, and pay them well too.

The subway cat's capable of doing that, but there's a bigger problem.

Not the labor itself, but that it would involve having to show up at 8:00 a.m. every day, and sticking with the work until 5:00 p.m. every day, five days a week.

The subway cat couldn't do that; she's not used to regular routine.

It would require an armed man to show up at her gated-community townhouse every morning circa 7:45 a.m. to drag her out to work.  Again, it's not the work, but that she would have to be regular, dependable, reliable.

That's so much trouble, though, probably a total lobotomy would be cheaper for society.

Translation: She is a fat lazy slob....

[Chris_]

Why they HATE us..
Posted by undergroundpanther in General Discussion
Sun Oct 12th 2008, 05:56 PM

Really deep down past all politics, There is a war of two types.

Two types of personalities,who thrive in two different kinds of cultures.

The sociopath/authoritarian/bully/narcissist personality types..

Who thrive in authoritarian,competitive,selfish,ruthless greedy hierarchical types of cultures,a leader in this culture dominates all underneath,a cancer/hive mind like arrangement that fears changes, strives for cultural uniformity,dominates,uses,abuses people,kills things it can't conquer or understand,lets leaders take and expects nothing in return,conquers nature by destroying it and consuming it..until death.They HATE us.But they need us to abuse and they exploit us and pretend they can do without us.They are predatory parasites operating in a hierarchical structure,to exploit whatever it can and give nothing in return.It has a pyramid shape.The tip is for the few "self made" false "leaders" and each social strata layer below the top obeys the layer above, and it rests upon the backs and suffering of those below.And there are alot of people on the very bottom suffering and powerless and heavily exploited.

VS

Everyone else.Those who can get along together without exploitation at someone else's expense.non predatory,cooperative,shares tasks, isn't threatened by diversity, welcomes changes,understands egalitarianism,respects relationships and obligations,shares,and loves,and helps those less strong and fortunate,the leaders of these cultures are there to make each person a leader of them self..The leaders are not given power over people they are expected to give more to others than he takes in a egalitarian type of culture. Relationships are horizontal networks.

This difference in the personalities is not clearly drawn in black or white at first glance most of the time however.

But there are clear boundaries,each of us have and when they are broken,repeatedly the violations create a pattern of abuse that can trace behaviors that over time will reveal the nature of a person's character no matter how he talks or appears at the time.This over time observation concerning relationships to boundaries can reveal alot about a person,a family,a 'leader', a corporation, or even a government.This corruption was recognized in the US Bill of rights even.

This conflict of types of persons has been ongoing problem just under the surface of issues regarding religion, politics,economics, justice, childrearing, and just about every other issue that impacts our lives. The root of all this conflict continues unseen as long as we DO NOT recognize being around ,or giving power to certain personality types as dangers to our collective and individual health.

What the more idealistic decent people don't understand is certain toxic personalities won't change and be nice if you just give them compassion because IT IS WHO they ARE.

What makes them so mean greedy or abusive is WHO THEY ARE..These toxic people see themselves as perfect and in no need of changing.

Sop they'll just play along sucking you dry until they get bored or move on.
 
Society denies the damage their personality causes to all of us who are NOT LIKE THEM.Traumatizing us in any way a bully can to TRY to make US like THEM is their answer.Teaching us to HATE victims,teaching us to minimize our own outrage at being harmed used,abused of taken advantage of,and they teach us to BLAME ourselves first,they exploit and twist our sense of responsibility to each other and our remorse at what happened to get away with more abuse..

Ever wonder why so little of the vast government fund's go to child welfare and domestic abuse,or rape crisis,monetary help for destitute people,or feeding the homeless? Why do victims get shamed or minimized or ignored or even people by-stand as a person is being victimized? Meanwhile why do Ceo's getting HUGE salaries and golden parachutes get billions of welfare to save these bad companies run by these ruthless irresponsible greedy bullies,that were so irresponsible? Do they have no SHAME?

In fact no,they have no shame.and if you observe they shamelessly want more and pressure congress to give it to them as they go to posh resorts.They will shamelessly take until they can no longer get away with it because of who they are their personality types...And that shapes the priorities they have.

The bullies of the world do protect their own kind somewhat, they share a predatory mindset that insures they keep power to themselves and keep others under control.They have similar enough agendas to act together to do crimes or exploit nations.There IS the Good 'ole boy networks.Sadly our protective kin networks have been seriously undermined by the way our society is structured around jobs and consumerism ,and by who has power over it...

Too often in our society the victim is labeled .You do not see the real person. Even in charity, one gives not to a real person but to an organization. And people are forced to go through bureaucratic hoops fro assistance, all the while feeling diminished as a victim, or as being poor.

That cultural reaction to disrespect the victim is no accident,for a victim has a voice that if heard and acted upon by too many people could destroy the networks,schemes of a predatory toxic person or corporation.It could blow the cover and the game.

Because our culture has been traumatized and trained by authoritarian based institutions like, parents ,church ,school,jobs,all are top down hierarchical structures that gradually WARP our self hood conscience,and make us compromise our integrity bit by bit,so slow it isn't even seen,until we gain courage to ask why we do what we do,and most people do not like the cognitive dissonance and anxiety such thoughts create in their own heads they just bury it,forget about it and cope another day.

This denial system serves well the few narcissists/authoritarians/sociopaths
/bullies/abusers(financial abuse included here)to"get ahead" or "win".

"We realized that it summarizes what happens in societies that systematically traumatize their citizens for purposes of control. Dominator societies don’t want us to be who we are. Our being who we are proves inconvenient, because dominator systems want us to be who they tell us to be. They don’t want our creativity. They want our obedience. They don’t want our real selves. They want our traumatized selves, our frozen rabbit selves, ready to sacrifice everything for the promise of safety and security.

If, however,(we believe) there is nothing we can do, then we learn helplessness. If the control-paradigm parent, teacher, spouse, or boss cannot be stopped, then our self-efficacy disappears."

(*Unlike the site linked,I don't believe the bible solves anything but the link above DOES clearly describe the effects of social domination/traumatizing well,that's why I linked to it.*)

So to endure and "contain" the trauma of being forced to pretend,people play make believe, the people without these poison personalities tell themselves lies to endure it,to cope with having to be dependent upon abusers who position themselves in powerful social places.This is why some support the wall street bailout they really believe their lives depend on the system that exploits them. We tell ourselves and each other evil little lies like: "boys will be boys","she asked for it" "you can't fight city hall".."He's the boss it's his company he can do what he wants to with it".And that is playing MAKE BELIEVE in a moral sense.. This culture does this crap one way or another.And we must find a way to question and debunk these beliefs.

Here is a whole study justifying the lies our hierarchy tells us,
"Hierarchy, inequality, and violence have always been part of human social structures. There were always rulers and ruled, leaders and followers, the fortunate and the needy, the powerful and the weak. Various cultures have treated disparities in status, power, fortune, and ability in different ways."

This article lies and says a few truths too.One BIG lie is the premise,the article writer takes human social hierarchy as a "given fact".The writer IGNORES the fact not every culture follows the top down hierarchy model. That is the lie every social hierarchy needs us to believe . But it only seems true because the top down bully cultures for centuries have been busy wiping all the non-hierarchical cultures off the planet,including the collective memory of that way of life..Some indigenous cultures are not top down in social structure and did well for a very,very long time..

I think,humans once formed societies to benefit all members of said culture in a group effort, co-creation of civilization to mitigate the harsh realities of nature. Maybe this is why we formed civilizations to begin with.To help each other survive the harsher times nature dishes out to life on this planet, like droughts or floods.

Anthropologists identify egalitarian cultures as "Kinship-oriented," because they value social harmony more than wealth or status.Egalitarian cultures minimize inequalities, while hierarchical cultures emphasize the importance of rank and status. Seems somewhere along the line of history this civilization project became hijacked by authoritarians/sociopaths/narcissists and with them and under their "leadership"(abuse), came social hierarchy inequality, and empires and wars,overtaking egalitarian cultures looting,raping,conquering,converting,attempting to erase them.

Life in a hierarchical culture like ours is,is very much like the situation of a child stuck in a dysfunctional(abusive) home, if you are not of the dominator class.Everyone avoids the truth that this is sick and what makes us sick.
The fake "alpha" and obedience to that fake "alpha",catering to the fake "alphas"is the problem we must overcome.

We have to stop tolerating the intolerable and telling ourselves and each other that something intolerable is tolerable.

We have to grow up and abandon or contain these "authorities" and "alpha assholes and their 'culture'. We have to learn to speak to them in the language THEY can understand. The language of DOMINATION and SUBMISSION.

While we re-learn how to listen and talk to EACH OTHER with Emotional compassion,respect,honesty and empathy.

We must as a species learn to recognize the toxic personality from the non-toxic,and speak to each in their own language.

Telling sensitized traumatized people telling you you are hurting them to grow thicker skins makes observers more callous and indifferent to others suffering.It makes the blood drop a few degrees colder as we give each other 'permission' to lurch a tiny step closer to the mentality of the alpha dominator asshole,or the thoughtless selfish predator.We might not like what we become if we keep belittling,denying a voice to, and hurting the weakest among us.

The Authoritarian/narcissist and sociopaths unlike people that choose to be an ass to others sometimes,have NO inner locus of control.They feel no shame, guilt or remorse.They do not FEEL trauma or abuse like non toxic people do.They have no conscience.They know right from wrong technically but they don't give a shit about that and find it fun to dupe the laws. They want to dismantle the structures in us that fuel our compassion,love and stop the urges we have to help others weaker than us.Love and empathy is what binds a compassionate culture together and the social contract reflects this.The sociopaths/authoritarians.and narcissistic people want freedom from the social contract we live through that enables us to live in peace together

The authoritarian /sociopath/narcissist believes what holds society together is obedience to POWER that holds society together.(usually it means the toxic personalities "power" that is abusive and traumatizing and creates FEAR and obedience in normal non abusive people. Trauma and obedience out of fear of "consequences" that force people into a dilemma that that has no good choice that helps the top down hierarchy structure these bullies impose on us if we DEFER to them and Know Our Places.

These warped personality types see as prey and we deserve whatever they do to us because we are less than they are in their self serving appraisals.To them everything has a price tag and it can be stolen sold or exploited and consumed,when it is used up they toss it away,and the used becomes a victim.A victim that haunts them as long as that victim knows the truth,the predator will try to shut them up or minimize them or discredit them to save face and maintain the illusion of the regular guy or pillar in the community role.Because the victim is the only kind of conscience that can counter them,like behavioral control,conscience as well must be imposed from outside for these predatory people.

Truth is we have to stop thinking like prey, question the validity of common beliefs and help each other see through and heal traumas that conditioned us all to be domesticated,accept internecine competing and afraid. We are NOT prey and we can listen to a victim and stand by them.We can limit the abusers of power and make it so they are powerless,and contained or if need be, eliminated.

Our very survival and maybe even survival of many other species or the ecosystem may depend on us learning this lesson.

And stopping the predatory destructive psychopathic men and women that are hellbent on subjecting everything on Earth to their controlling sick whims.They are killing life on Earth attempting to protect this imposing ,self serving game to keep power-over,control, illusion of certainty ,high social status,unchecked predatory behavior without accountability,over-wealth for self at expense of most,and an energy-intensive system that dominates most and sickens everything so they can do what they want to do and no one can tell them to not do it..

This is a personality conflict, it is the real issue underneath the"right wing" /"left wing" conflicts too.

It is the real reason we have a "justice system"laws,and jails and why sometimes jails contain the wrong people and so little is done to restore the integrity of justice.

This conflict of the psyches is why corporations,governments,churches and military get away with doing such bad things and get huge corporate welfare checks(bailouts) while homeless people are hated and harassed and left to die.

That stubborn obedience to the authority most people have in them is being abused by the morally and ethically bankrupted personalities among us who put on the illusion of power,success and"alpha-ness" to exploit us.That is why we accept we live as we are forced to live and why we pretend it is OK to live this way and let the Earth die around us,while we tell ourselves there is NO other options..No other way to run a culture.As it crumbles right before our eyes and the corruption is visible,and we do not take the risks to stop it until it has gotten so bad ,entrenched and large we cannot lie to ourselves anymore.Often by then it is too late and many people die before we come around as a collectively to the see the truth and disobey and attack the illegitimate authorities causing our suffering.

Truth is we don't have to tolerate any of these sociopaths/narcissistic/authoritarian assholes.

We never have to give in to their demands ,do things their way,depend on them or anything else if we have each other. We can speak up or act if WE think something a boss or teacher is doing is wrong..We can say NO you CAN'T DO THAT to us...and if we stand with each other in taking the risk to stand up, we can back it up with any FORCE required to MAKE THEM STOP hurting and abusing people not like themselves and the world.

Martin Luther king was one side of the coin that FORCED civil rights to be recognized,Alot of people focus on him and exclude the other force operating to get civil rights recognized also,The Black Panthers .They were ready to fight and kill for their rights to be treated as human beings and to vote,if peaceful persuasion failed to be heeded.And they HAD to fight and show that they had FORCE to back up Martin Luther's dream.

The first and most obvious condition is that non-violence should carry is the moral weight that makes violent retaliation unconscionable. If the people you are fighting against have no morality , feel no shame,guilt,remorse or fear of you, than non-violence cannot and will not solve the problem.It will just get people killed.That is not non violence, it is stupidity.Prey behavior.Giving the bullies permission to abuse MORE.

We can stop them if we do it together, if we can each learn the value of disobedience,learn to say NO,learn to take the RISK of doing the right thing,even if it upsets things and breaks the status quo or offends. We have to stand up with each other in the face of a bully be it a domestic tyrant or a corporation.And if we can just stop pretending bad people want to be 'good'people when they've had a pattern of being predatory for YEARS, if we just give them another chance,because truth is after years of getting away with it,they don't want to change or they can't.We would be misplacing our pity giving it to whom caused the suffering at the expense of those harmed.And this I think is morally wrong.

These personalities are NOT LIKE OURS.They can do stuff we would not do because they are different.Give up that solipsist notion we are all the same,because we are NOT. We have to act on all levels to see these bullies as the squatters occupying positions of power they should not be trusted with, and the tyrants that they ARE,We can't afford to play nice anymore with ruthless people,we have to use our claws to fight them to tear them apart and the toxic social structures they built to serve themselves down,time is growing short the planet cannot sustain this level of abuse and consuming without the ecosystem breaking down..These bad people they not only want control but to destroy.They WANT a world without LOVE and without life that is happy,healthy and diverse and respectful of all our relations..

I know it sounds so cold blooded to fight them lock them up or even kill them..But some things cannot be tolerated by a society IF we want to survive.

These abusive people they are tyrants,bullies, they love death,trauma and suffering and imposing it on others in all it's forms,mental death,personal death,bodily death,planet death.They get off on the destruction of anything good,unique,giving, gentle, caring,loving or alive. Maybe because inside they are dead already,cold blooded in the sense of what makes us humane and able to love,is not there in them.

That lack is the reason they cannot be trusted to care about life and see it as the fragile,unique, precious yet tenuous thing full of potential and diversity that it is .They are dead inside morally and are driven by their own blind toxic nature,to overtake and replicate themselves in others or invade their lives and hijack them, like an ebola virus or a toxic algae bloom,that traumatizes and kills all it touches .So do authoritarians/narcissists/and sociopaths.Bad people can never be trusted to protect the vulnerable,beautiful,creative and different from the ravages of nature or bad humans,at all.Nor can they share what belongs to all of us,the land,air,water,or the fruits of our collective labors without spoiling it or "owning it"and depriving someone from touching it .. for all they want is to dominate everything use it than destroy it so no one else can "have" some.In this world there is plenty for all to have enough,if we all share it with each other.No one needs to be suffering because of the few mean,abusive and greedy among us.

Day-am!  Brevity being the soul of wit, I think we have seen all evidence necessary that SubwayCat is, indeed, the original Witless Wonder.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Hey crazy lady.....show up in Iran or other muzzi countries looking like you do and see what the good folks there will do to you.

Well, I guess sometimes a burqa can be a good thing, after all.

[franksolich]

Well, I guess sometimes a burqa can be a good thing, after all.

It'd have to be a burqa the size of a circus tent for some, though.

[Chris_]

I made through about four sentences of UP's initial post. I'd really like to know what it says, but it causes me pain to read it. I'll give 1 free hi-5 to the first person to paraphrase the screed in ten sentences or less.

[PatriotGame]

Oh frack!
I would like someone to justify to me, using my tax dollars to allow her to continue to steal my oxygen.
These are from her MySpace Page. I'm thinking....that Hitler final solution thing...just for psychos and societal rejects....naw...I would not go that far but this freak needs to be caged!
SHe lists herself as a male on her MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/undergroundpanther

Good gawd.....

[PatriotGame]

I made through about four sentences of UP's initial post. I'd really like to know what it says, but it causes me pain to read it. I'll give 1 free hi-5 to the first person to paraphrase the screed in ten sentences or less.

"I am a ****ing loon and all of my problems are caused by Conservatives and other normal people in the world!"

[Chris_]

"I am a ******* loon and all of my problems are caused by Conservatives and other normal people in the world!"

Now that was much easier than reading it myself. Thanks. And Hi5.

[overlord]

How the hell do they get away with calling conservatives "Authoritarian"? Ever been to the country, where it's very conservative? How about the city, where it's usually very liberal? Ok, WHICH one has all the damn rules in place? THE F'N CITY. Moonbats like the ones that are doing this to this lady:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-garage18-2008oct18,0,5661304.story

So now weeds poling through the cracks in your driveway is a code violation??    Welcome to the America the liberals always wanted

[MrsSmith]

Why they HATE us..
Posted by undergroundpanther

We don't hate you.  We just can't believe you.   

[franksolich]

I made through about four sentences of UP's initial post. I'd really like to know what it says, but it causes me pain to read it. I'll give 1 free hi-5 to the first person to paraphrase the screed in ten sentences or less.

I did that in my own comments originally, for those who didn't want to deal with all this vomit.

The subway cat's having some "issues" with her ancient maternal ancestress or her psychiatrists, or both.

That's all, nothing more.

[Chris_]

I did that in my own comments originally, for those who didn't want to deal with all this vomit.

The subway cat's having some "issues" with her ancient maternal ancestress or her psychiatrists, or both.

That's all, nothing more.

Sorry frank. I must have been dazed from the fumes of her rant and missed your comments. I'll go back and read them now.

Okay. Just went back to first post. I do feel bad now. You actually condensed it before quoting her post. I'll pay better attention next time. I do, however, feel the need to make a confession. Any time I see a topic title with UP in it I tend to get all excited like a child on Christmas morning. I'm always hoping for the next chapter to the Blackie the Ghost Chicken saga or the Panther Mountain saga. This excitement often causes me to rush directly to the UP quotes. Alas, more times than not I find keyboard diarrhea instead of my hoped for tall tale.

[Chris]

dupe...
This is how I feel after reading UGP's posts --->

[Airwolf]

Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn.Wake me when it finally gets a damn clue.