2nd Presidential Debate - Nashville, TN Oct. 7 @ 9PM ET Preview/Live Thread

[Chris]

of all the presidential debate moderators so far, I thought rick warren did the best job.

It's not hard to out-do Brokaw or the baggy-eyed Bolshevik and his PBS padres.

[Tess Anderson]

??? That wasn't even a town-hall debate at all . . . worse yet, it was boring.

On the pre-debate coverage on FOX News the *pundits* were all saying that McCain had to do very well on this debate, since he's three points or so behind in the cooked polls. 

Didn't like the narrow scope of the questions, thought Barack Hussein Obama whined too much AGAIN, but McCain still won.

[USA4ME]

I'm going to say the little black muslim boy is going to win the election.  With things the way they are, voters are going to blame the party in charge, they aren' really going to look and see what caused it all.  It's a mob mentality and the Dem policies are designed for ease of consumption.  Only later do people finally figure out that there was nothing substantive behind what they were being fed.

Things are going to stink over the next 4 years, the Big Zero is going to make them worse than if they were just left alone, and in foreign policy he's going to completely screw things up beyond repair (laying the groundwork for a future war in the ME which was probably going to happen one day anyway), but maybe in 2 years we'll have another 1994 and cut him off at the knees before he totally wrecks the planet.  Be he's going to win this election.

Ah well, lesson learned as to what happens when your nominee has PO'd the base and actually thinks he can win by getting moderate liberals.  People will come out and vote conservative when it's strongly articulated and when you come out and call out liberalism for the socialist crap that it is, that's been proven over and over and over again.  We had to know with McCain as the nominee that it was an uphill battle from day one.

I'll sit back and watch, it'll still be worth observing.  I can hope for a miracle.  But it's also time to start planning to make the Obamassiah loathe the day he was born and to plan on tearing him to shreads before he does it to America.

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[Ralph Wiggum]

That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO.  Obviously, it didn't change my vote.  I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.

[Wretched Excess]

the MSM is gradually piling on mccain's plan to buy bad mortgages.  fred barnes points out that this is a
plan from a conservative economist, but mccain described it poorly.  I hadn't heard it before tonight, but
it's interesting enough to try to google up the details. . . .

[Ralph Wiggum]

But it's also time to start planning to make the Obamassiah loathe the day he was born and to plan on tearing him to shreads before he does it to America.

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Let's start planning to impeach Obama now!!!111

[Wretched Excess]

That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO.  Obviously, it didn't change my vote.  I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.

switching from something live so you can watch something that you know that you are already recording gives a whole new meaning to "boring".

[Zeus]

I was starting to let the polls bother me. But regained my composure with the understanding that if the media with there left leaning bias reports polls with Nobama leading just outside the margin of error McCain isn't doing as bad as reported. I also think there will be a small but significant amt of stealth votes. Those votes of people currently claiming to be voting for nobama just to avoid being harassed about being a racist.

[Wretched Excess]

after rereading mccain's comments on buying bad mortgages, it sounds like he might just be talking about repealing the "mark to market" accounting rule . . . .

[jendf]

That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO.  Obviously, it didn't change my vote.  I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.

My folks and I started chatting about anything but the debate about a half hour into it. My family loves this kind of stuff. We gather around the freaking tube for this kind of stuff but we were done after about 30 minutes. Even we have our standards. When it became clear that McCain had no intention of slamming Obama on anything, we lost interest.

[Wretched Excess]

I take it back.  here is the bomb that mccain dropped on buying up bad mortgages;  I have no idea what he meant now.

You know that home values of retirees continues to decline and people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payments. As president of the United States, Alan, I would order the secretary of the treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes -- at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes.

Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy. And we've got to give some trust and confidence back to America.

[Chris]

That was pretty much a snooze-fest of a debate, IMHO.  Obviously, it didn't change my vote.  I turned to "The Shield" at 9 pm CT, even though I was recording it.

Ditto.  It was a rerun of the other debates/stump speeches.  I'm repeating myself here, but it was one of the few chances for McCain to get his message out.  Do you think any of the cable news networks are paying attention to what McCain is saying?  Every time Obama makes a new speech, CNN is there with a camera crew and a highlight reel.  Tune into CNN Headline News if you think I'm wrong.  Watch it for eight hours, if you can stomach it.  Between the Nancy Grace promos and the latest "breaking news" gibberish about some naked guy running away from the cops, you'll see the same Obama stump a dozen times a day.  McCain would have to run someone down with the Straight Talk Express to get the same amount of air time BO gets. 

[Wretched Excess]

and I thought I was just imagining things, or it was just PMSNBC concentrating camera time on the obamas working the crowd after the debate, and ignoring the mccains.  but olmerman just said that the mccains "blew town" after the debate.  of course, it could be a lot of things;  tight scheduling, & etc.

olbermann is going to make something out of this, of course.

[Wretched Excess]

oh, FFS!  could CNN.com have FOUND a more misleading picture to put on their front page? 

[Ralph Wiggum]

oh, FFS!  could CNN.com have FOUND a more misleading picture to put on their front page? 

You expected something fair & balanced from CNN, Wretch?

[Wretched Excess]

You expected something fair & balanced from CNN, Wretch?

of course not.    but that one is over the top even for the Commie News Network, formerly known as the Clinton News Network.

[Chris]

of course not.    but that one is over the top even for the Commie News Network, formerly known as the Clinton News Network.

Drudge does get some pretty good picutres, but he doesn't get the same exposure as Chicken Noodle News.

[rich_t]

I take it back.  here is the bomb that mccain dropped on buying up bad mortgages;  I have no idea what he meant now.

McCain is really screwing the pooch with that.

It is NOT THE JOB of the government to stabilize home values.  Is McCain a closet socialist?  This concept sure as hell sounds like one.

[rich_t]

You know that home values of retirees continues to decline and people are no longer able to afford their mortgage payments.

What does falling value have to do with the ability to repay an existing loan?

I mean it's one thing if my income becomes reduced due to a job loss or what-ever. But barring something like that; if the market value of my home drops (and it has), I am still able to keep up the payments I negotiated with the lender.

If people got greedy and bought houses on short term ARMs or balloon payment mortgages while hoping the value of the property keeps going up, and the market dips, it is suddenly MY resposibility to save their sorry asses?

I don't think so!

[Zeus]

after rereading mccain's comments on buying bad mortgages, it sounds like he might just be talking about repealing the "mark to market" accounting rule . . . .

I really don't know what he meant. I originally thought he was talking about the securitized instruments. Heard a replay of his remarks and he used wrong terminology or if he really means individual mortgages it's a bad idea

[Wretched Excess]

offering to directly buy the 5% of mortgages that are in default (the number I read most frequently;  I have no idea if it is actually accurate or not) isn't going to do anything but piss off the 95% of us that are paying their mortgages.

 

[rich_t]

offering to directly buy the 5% of mortgages that are in default (the number I read most frequently;  I have no idea if it is actually accurate or not) isn't going to do anything but piss off the 95% of us that are paying their mortgages.

 

You got that right.  I know I get pissed off just thinking about it.

I think McCain just came one step closer to losing the election.

[Ree]

I thought it was kinda boring....But I think polls are gonna be very off this year. I think alot of peeps are just to sick of this campaign, they'll just say most anything to move on to another subject.

[Hawkgirl]

I was at work and shut my live stream about half way through.  That's how bored I was...but he also lost me at "the government needs to buy these bad loans".  He officially lost my vote tonight.  I keep hoping, praying, that he will say something to change my mind, say something that resembles Sarah Palin's comments...anything, Bueller? nope, nothing.
Now, I can only look ahead to 2012. 
Time to stock up on non-perishables folks,it's going to be a rough ride.

[rich_t]

I thought it was kinda boring....But I think polls are gonna be very off this year. I think alot of peeps are just to sick of this campaign, they'll just say most anything to move on to another subject.

Hell Ree...  I got tired of it about 6 months ago.  But I still pay attention.