Billy Carter. Remember him?

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MineralMan (147,671 posts)

Billy Carter. Remember him?
Roger Clinton?
Neal Bush?

Sometimes, a guy has to do right by his kinfolk. Yup.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219785325

WTF is this numb nuts talking about?

[SVPete]

Well, scanning W'pedia bios

* Billy Carter was a hell-raiser-idiot and alcoholic, since recovered; sadly, he died of pancreatic cancer;

* Roger Clinton was pardoned for cocaine possession, after serving some prison time; more recently he had some DUIs, but this was well after Bill's Presidency;

* Neal Bush was part of an S & L failure; it was determined that he had committed some breaches of his fiduciary duty, and he paid $50K in a civil court settlement. Never criminally charged, never pardoned.

MM is trying to equate these three with Hunter being pardoned. Two of the three were not criminally charged, and the third was pardoned after doing some prison time. Hunter hasn't gone near a prison, unless he happened to drive by one in his car. Moral equivalency and normalization FAIL.

[FlippyDoo]

Well, scanning W'pedia bios

* Billy Carter was a hell-raiser-idiot and alcoholic, since recovered; sadly, he died of pancreatic cancer;

* Roger Clinton was pardoned for cocaine possession, after serving some prison time; more recently he had some DUIs, but this was well after Bill's Presidency;

* Neal Bush was part of an S & L failure; it was determined that he had committed some breaches of his fiduciary duty, and he paid $50K in a civil court settlement. Never criminally charged, never pardoned.

MM is trying to equate these three with Hunter being pardoned. Two of the three were not criminally charged, and the third was pardoned after doing some prison time. Hunter hasn't gone near a prison, unless he happened to drive by one in his car. Moral equivalency and normalization FAIL.

And these dense idiots are overlooking the fact that SloJo's pardon doesn't just pardon him for the crimes that he's found guilty of. It also pardoned him for all of the federal crimes that he hadn't yet been tried for that he committed for past 10 years. It really was a Get Out of Jail Free card. It's probably even better than the Race Card.

[enslaved1]

And these dense idiots are overlooking the fact that SloJo's pardon doesn't just pardon him for the crimes that he's found guilty of. It also pardoned him for all of the federal crimes that he hadn't yet been tried for that he committed for past 10 years. It really was a Get Out of Jail Free card. It's probably even better than the Race Card.

That's the craziest part of this mess.  Pardon for the pitiful little "look we're following the rule of law!" charges they gave Hunter would be standard operating procedure for politicians.  This "get off scott free for stuff that hasn't been brought yet but really needs to be and would drag down Joe, Jill and who knows how many others" pardon is pure CYA for the whole family. 

[SVPete]

More on (Moron) MineralMan's Neal Bush claim:

Esquire deletes false George Bush pardon story after liberal columnist makes major error

https://www.foxnews.com/media/esquire-deletes-false-george-bush-pardon-story-liberal-columnist-makes-major-error

Esquire has deleted a column that used a false claim about former President George H.W. Bush as the basis to justify President Biden's decision to pardon his son, Hunter.

In a Tuesday column, liberal pundit Charles P. Pierce claimed that Hunter Biden was not the first presidential son caught up in controversy, asking readers, "Anybody Remember Neil Bush?"

"Nobody defines Poppy Bush's presidency by his son's struggles or the pardons he issued on his way out of the White House. The moral: Shut the f--- up about Hunter Biden, please," he wrote in the sub-headline.
...
The only problem? Bush never pardoned his son.

Initially, Esquire added an editor' note to the column, "An earlier version stated incorrectly that George H.W. Bush gave a presidential pardon to his son, Neil Bush. Esquire regrets the error.". The Esquire removed the column from the page and substituted this note, "... removed due to an error ... Esquire regrets the mistake".

Esquire's admission does not impress me. A falsehood that could have been avoided (by the author) or detected and deleted (by an editor) by taking 5 minutes or less on W'pedia is not a "mistake". More likely, it was a lie that was only deleted after it had gotten spread around the Internet (to trusting fools like MM).

So, will DU-Denizens:

* Persist in the claim?

* Claim it's false but true?

* Move on to their next lies?

[FunkyZero]

So, will DU-Denizens:

* Persist in the claim?

* Claim it's false but true?

* Move on to their next lies?

well, since they still believe the pissing russian hooker stuff, i think the answer is obvious

[SVPete]

well, since they still believe the pissing russian hooker stuff, i think the answer is obvious

IOW, Yes.

[Ralph Wiggum]

On topic:

‘The View’ Host Ana Navarro Seems to Invent Historical Figure Named ‘DeButts’ to Defend Biden

Ana Navarro appeared to reference a fictitious historical figure named “Hunter deButts” as she defended President Joe Biden’s decision to pardon his son Hunter.

The co-host for The View penned a series of X posts Monday night supporting Biden’s controversial move to grant clemency to his embattled second son, who was awaiting sentencing on two criminal convictions related to his purchase of a gun and tax evasion.

She argued against the idea that Biden’s decision sets any kind of precedent, citing other instances where a presidential pardon was given to a relative—but one of the examples she gave raised eyebrows.

“Woodrow Wilson pardoned his brother-in-law, Hunter deButts,” she wrote. “Bill Clinton pardoned his brother, Roger. Donald Trump pardoned his daughter’s father-in-law, Charlie Kushner. And just appointed him Ambassador to France. But tell me again how Joe Biden ‘is setting precedent’?”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-views-ana-navarro-seems-to-invent-historical-figure-named-debutts-in-defending-bidens-pardon/

[jukin]

Initially, Esquire added an editor' note to the column, "An earlier version stated incorrectly that George H.W. Bush gave a presidential pardon to his son, Neil Bush. Esquire regrets the error.". The Esquire removed the column from the page and substituted this note, "... removed due to an error ... Esquire regrets the mistake".

Esquire's admission does not impress me. A falsehood that could have been avoided (by the author) or detected and deleted (by an editor) by taking 5 minutes or less on W'pedia is not a "mistake". More likely, it was a lie that was only deleted after it had gotten spread around the Internet (to trusting fools like MM).

Esquire should have to print a full retraction on page 1, and restitution to the Bush family or be sued for libel. As you said this was easily "fact checked" so any reasonable jury would find that the article was both malicious and intended to cause harm.

[FlippyDoo]

On topic:

‘The View’ Host Ana Navarro Seems to Invent Historical Figure Named ‘DeButts’ to Defend Biden

I saw a mention of that today. I didn't delve into it, but this is what went through my mind...

Why do I have the feeling that Ana NotVerySmarto has a “follower” (or whatever they’re called on X) who she assumed was a loyal, mindless acolyte, but who was actually a mole who decided to test how intelligent she is by mentioning Hunter deButts to her. Ana, being not very smart, was so happy to learn something that would give some cover to a former Party Overlord went ahead with the deButts story without any checking on it. Of course, her ego probably played a part in addition to her lack of intelligence. I can imagine her thought process: I've got to get this out before anyone else does! No need to do any checking! None of my aculytes would lie to me! And it’s probably from a follower who is a member of that brain trust of intellectual brilliance and honesty known as DU so I’m golden! This is for you Overlord Joe!