My conversation with my DNC operative in Florida

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evertonfc (1,217 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287551688
 
My conversation with my DNC operative in Florida

this morning was somber. but if you want to nominate a Democratic socialist as the head of the Democratic party you will lose the WH and lose House seats. Middle America and the Southeast will not elect a Democratic Socialist. Period. End of conversation. It's why moderates won here in 18 and 19 and Sanders backed candidates didn't. You think America is represebtive of the coasts. I'll bet my 25 years working local and state campaigns from FL to GA to TN that Trump will beat Sanders in historic fashion.

Star Member Vogon_Glory (6,828 posts)

39. Bless Ol' Bernie And His Followers
 
But they're living in some blue-tinged bubble where the real world doesn't peep in. Socialism, alas, is still a scare word across middle America, and those suburban Moms and other factions hard-working Democratic activists brought into the fold to vote Team Donkey will balk at voting for Bernie.

The puppies and unicorns crowd fails to realize that we need more than just Sanders followers to take the White House, and even more voters than "Vote Blue No Matter Who" Democrats. This is not a prediction based on Sandalista "party elites" bunkum. It's a sober acknowledgement of unpleasant facts. The unpleasant fact is that Bernie is perceived as being too radical for most of the country. The 2016 election should have been instructive; those of us who saw what happened to Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern already know.

The puppies and unicorns crowd needs to sit down and soberly reflect on whether the Democratic Party has enough voters to win elections on their own even without the rest of the voters out there. They don't. We need Democrats and others if we want to see a Democrat in the White House as President of the USA on January 22nd, 2021. Great futile gestures avail us nothing.

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (31,403 posts)

89. And add in tRussian interference and FB and you are close to virtual impossibility. And when it's over, WTH do we have? 4 more years of Traitortot. Keep saying this!! because our party is divided in 1/2. One part going with policies they like the other half going with who looks best in matchups in battleground.

Butterflylady (1,302 posts)

11. Absolutely
 
It's like they have blinders on and cannot see beyond the primaries. They don't see other scenarios happening other than winning. They're going to come up against a force unlike anything we've ever seen before and that's not even mentioning the money the Republicans have at their disposal. Russia will stop at nothing to win.

Bonobo (29,172 posts)

16. What's funny about these Sanders can't win posts...
 
Is that they all come from the self-styled “pragmatic realists” that also displayed zero in the way of critical thinking on 2016 when they voted in a candidate in the primaries that had the lowest historical approval ratings of any presidential candidate ever -and one who was consistently losing in head to head polls vs Sanders against Trump.

So remind me again why you all think your record of realistic thinking is so convincing?

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

30. None of Bernie's "Our Revolution" candidates won in 2018. That's a harbinger of things to come
 
Ignore them at your peril. America will not elect a Socialist in 2020.

McTwisty (7 posts)

87. In all fairness...
 
They also didn’t get the support of the DNC. It’s a bit harder when you’re fighting on both fronts.

 

MoonlitKnight (366 posts)

33. Warren- Abrams
 
That ticket will roll to an easy victory.

 

MoonlitKnight (366 posts)

70. We lost in 2016 in part due to lower Black turnout
 
It puts Georgia in play. A lot of motivated voters who felt they were ripped off. Pennsylvania is already looking good. Especially if we boost turnout in Philadelphia. We just need one more state. If it’s Georgia we have a potential blowout.

Fran2020 (18 posts)

29. The PEOPLE support Bernie. The PEOPLE get to vote, not just DNC operatives.

The DNC establishment won't allow Bernie to get the nomination. Just like last time.

Star Member NBachers (11,838 posts)

48. Bernie Sanders: Disaster in 2016- We could've had Hillary not trump. Death of our Nation in 2020.
 
Maybe he can get Ralph Nader in the VP slot, since Nader worked out so well to torpedo Gore in 2000.

Star Member RazBerryBeret (2,937 posts)

55. Isn't this the same group that was certain we would win '16 in a "historic landslide"? n/t

 

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

74. We did win the popular vote by 3 million vote
 
The polls were right

 

JohnBoltonsmustache (13 posts)

66. And I bet the same "Operative" said HRC was a shoe-in in 2016
 
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care

Bernie’s policies are supported by a majority of the voters. This poll says 70% support Medicare-for-all.
This garbage about Bernie not being able to win is fueled by Russian bots and right-wing hacks. Be careful about who you are listening to, their motives are probably not honorable.

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

81. We did win the popular vote by 3 million votes
 
I’m not listening to Russian bots. I’m listening to a lot of my Democratic friends who are astonished that our Democratic Party will nominate a Socialist

 

[Happy Fun Ball]

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

81. We did win the popular vote by 3 million votes
 
I’m not listening to Russian bots. I’m listening to a lot of my Democratic friends who are astonished that our Democratic Party will nominate a Socialist

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

74. We did win the popular vote by 3 million vote
 
The polls were right

It's that time again. Time to show these loons just where those 3 million votes came from and why the Electoral College exists in the first place.

Los Angeles:
Los Angeles County
1,893,770
-  620,285
 ------------
1,273,485

New York
New York County
   515,481
-    58,935
 ------------
   456,546

Bronx County
   318,403
-    34,424
 ------------
   283,979

Kings County
   595,086
-  133,653
 ------------
   461,433

Queens County
   473,389
-  138,550
 ------------
   334,839

Chicago
Cook County
1,528,582
-  440,213
 ------------
1,088,369

Now, we add up all of those number there, and we get this:

  1,273,485
     456,546
     283,979
     461,433
     334,839
+1,088,369
---------------
3,898,651

This means that without these three cities alone, Trump would have won the popular vote by about a million votes.

[DLR Pyro]

MoonlitKnight (366 posts)33. Warren- Abrams
 
That ticket will roll to an easy victory.

Is that an underhanded reference to the rotund size and shape of abrams?

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

74. We did win the popular vote by 3 million vote
 
The polls were right

and yet who is living in the White House and flying around in Air Force One?

[Old n Grumpy]

I'll bet my 25 years working local and state campaigns from FL to GA to TN that Trump will beat Sanders in historic fashion.

Trump will beat Soviet socialist sanders like a cheap drum. He will lose so bad he may have another heart attack. 

[SVPete]

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

74. We did win the popular vote by 3 million vote
 
The polls were right

But Trump is President because HilLIARy campaigned stupidly. Pollsters measured the wrong thing and lied to accentuate their error.

[Karin]

Response to apcalc (Reply #2)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:09 AM
 LonePirate (10,309 posts)
5. Or people can go work their tails off to get Sanders elected instead of bitching about him online.

Work their tails off?  What's this thing you talk about?  What if I don't like getting doors slammed in my face in 9 degree weather?  And I don't even like him?

Granny agrees with me:

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:16 AM
 Desert grandma (387 posts)
10. No amount of work will get him elected.
 
I agree with the OP. He needs more than just Democratic voters. Now is not the time to push for a "revolution" headed by people who are constantly disparaging "established Democrats". Just who does that refer to anyway? The ones he wants to work their tails off to get him elected? That's not happening.

Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:17 PM
 PatSeg (29,773 posts)
58. No, that won't happen
 
No amount of working one's tail off will change the minds of people, who absolutely will not vote for someone, who calls himself a "democratic socialist". For all the Bernie supporters who will move heaven and earth for him, there are plenty of voters who cannot stand him.

Response to evertonfc (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:22 AM
 redstatebluegirl (8,173 posts)
15. I heard the very same thing from a friend in Illinois who is a big time party operative.
 
He was pretty blunt in saying Bernie is an out of control brush fire for our party. He wins, we will lose the House, a few more Senate seats and the White House in a huge landslide.

Someone makes a good point:

Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #35)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:37 AM
Zolorp (1,115 posts)
36. They say if Sanders is the nominee then they are done with the Democratic Party
 
Dependable voters, straight Democratic votes for 4 decades. They remember the Cold War and Sanders is a bridge too far for them. Sanders will drive these people into Trump's hands even if they just don't participate any longer.

They look at Sanders as just another despot wannabe, only a Commmunist despot.

And gets sniffed at.

Response to Zolorp (Reply #36)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:39 AM
Turin_C3PO (2,629 posts)
37. Then they're
 
just as deplorable as Stein and Trump voters.

How did calling someone deplorable work out for you?

This DUmmie has the answer!

Response to Post removed (Reply #32)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:49 AM
nobuddy (192 posts)
44. You just need to tell them Vote Blue No Matter Who!

[Delmar]

Response to evertonfc (Original post)Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:52 PM
Baked Potato (1,168 posts)
86. It's the word, "Social". That word scares people who don't want to mingle
 
with people other than their own tribe. Americans aren’t primed for the thought of togetherness. Maybe after a couple presidential cycles we can solve big problems.

I don't like socializing, that's why I don't like socialism.

[Ralph Wiggum]

As if we can possibly believe that any DUmmy knows a DNC operative.

[DUmpDiver]

Star Member redstateblues (9,553 posts)

74. We did win the popular vote by 3 million votes
 
The polls were right

That and $5 will get you a latte.

If Hillary was trying to win the "popular vote" then she's about as bright as the average DUmmie.

[USA4ME]

“DNC operative” is too vague of a description. And then to say “my DNC operative”, which would suggest there’s various operatives and they have designated territories, is a little too specific. I don’t know exactly how the DNC organizes, but I doubt they have territorial operatives. There’s precinct committees and chairpersons, of course. But this primitive is trying too hard to make a point that doesn’t need that kind of lie to make it real.

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[Movie buff- The Sequel]

"Socialism, alas, is still a scare word across middle America."
As it should be, considering it is a system which has brought mass poverty, oppression and death wherever it has been implemented.

I am amazed at how many DUmmies are demonstrating mental clarity on that thread, though there are of course a couple saying "Oh, that's just the RUSSIANS and RIGHT WINGERS talking!"