Eviction woes from a DUmmy (Now with drug dealing pedophile wackiness thrown in)

[Chris_]

Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.

And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.

And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.

Not quite sure I'm following you on this.  If kgfnally is the leasee and Chester is simply living there, then he does have a fixed address.

But I'm not aware of any State that has laws which tell the owner of the property if he can or cannot permit subletting.  Now if the property owner has rules regarding subletting, that's a different matter.

Certainly the property owner has the right to refuse to rent based upon certain criteria, past criminal record being one of those areas.

I'm more inclined at this point to believe that Chester has to be registered with the State and the apartments they desire are too close to a school or something.

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I think Section 8 subsidies disallow subleasing. 

Of course, Section 8 is one of the stupidest programs ever, along with the Foster Care program.

[Miss Mia]

None of this story makes any sense.

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Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

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Welcome sir.

It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.

This has been the story in the past.  I've read it before on DU.  It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it. 

Thanx lady!

I am DYING to know the back story here.

I managed to find one. 

link


I remembered this story because it was so fishy sounding.

[Miss Mia]

Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.

And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.

And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.

Not quite sure I'm following you on this.  If kgfnally is the leasee and Chester is simply living there, then he does have a fixed address.

But I'm not aware of any State that has laws which tell the owner of the property if he can or cannot permit subletting.  Now if the property owner has rules regarding subletting, that's a different matter.

Certainly the property owner has the right to refuse to rent based upon certain criteria, past criminal record being one of those areas.

I'm more inclined at this point to believe that Chester has to be registered with the State and the apartments they desire are too close to a school or something.

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Well, in all the apartments I lived in, they all used the same lease pretty much.  You can only have guests for so many days.  The apartment complex has to know everyone that lives there, and in the case of roommates you both have to fill out an application to live there.  Also, you cannot sublease without the approval from the complex management beforehand.  I've never needed to sublease, so I don't know how that works either. 

[USA4ME]

I think Section 8 subsidies disallow subleasing. 

Of course, Section 8 is one of the stupidest programs ever, along with the Foster Care program.

Federal Law on a fed program.  OK, that's more than likely the case, so good memory there.  And I agree with Section 8.

I say I don't know any States that make it against the law, but if there is one or more it wouldn't surprise me.  States tend to stick there noses into things like this where they have no business, it should be up to the property owner if they want to take the risk.  But hey, that's just me being the silly businessman who thinks people should be able to make business decisions for themself.

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[BamaMoose]

None of this story makes any sense.

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Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

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Welcome sir.

It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.

Sorry.

Child molester being shunned:

kgfnally  (1000+ posts)       Mon May-07-07 10:16 AM
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11. COULD it be possible?
 It happened to my roommate. He was asleep, his stepson got up on the couch with him, his (my roommate's) hand flopped over onto the kid's crotch in his sleep (the kid even testified to the fact that my roommate was actually asleep at the time), and everyone involved did everything possible to railroad him into a guilty plea for "fondling" his stepson. Probation, registry as a sex offender, and lost physical custody of his child.

He hasn't been allowed to work since; nobody will hire him. It's hard for him to find a place to live, too, since most landlords won't let him rent from them.
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And what the word "roommate" appears to mean and why I think sex offender registry violation is a realistic assumption:

28. well, we're both GAY
 so I, unlike some, can use "husband", "partner", roommate", and "guy I live with" pretty much interchangably.

I explicitly stated in the other thread that this all happened BEFORE we met.

And as to the rest, toddle on believeing what you want to believe. In truth, I don't NEED to believe HIM... I have the transcripts. They tell me everything I need to know, based solely on the testimony of the "victim".

Bizarre? Insulting? What's bizarre and insulting, friend, is that *I* have to be ever aware of the fact that my address is on that registry too. What's bizarre and insulting is that, were MI ever to pass a "bumpersticker law", *I* would have to put one on MY car because HE occasionally drives it. What's bizarre and insulting are the email alerts the people living right across the hall from me can get, for which *I* will be judged by them.

What's bizarre and insulting is some people's 'scarlet letter' justice. America has no. Place. For. It. Period. I am unequivocally against any sex offender registry. I am against criminal registries in any form. They are wrong, they make me less safe, and I should in no way be expected to tolerate it.
 

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[Miss Mia]

Here's some more threads on kgfnally

Should children who lie about being sexually abused be put on a registry?
You were all correct and I apologize.
And of course NOBODY has EVER been wrongly convicted
Texas developers creating sex offender-free neighborhood(background check)
What to do with sex offenders?
The flip side of the sex offender argument

[USA4ME]

Well, in all the apartments I lived in, they all used the same lease pretty much.  You can only have guests for so many days.  The apartment complex has to know everyone that lives there, and in the case of roommates you both have to fill out an application to live there.  Also, you cannot sublease without the approval from the complex management beforehand.  I've never needed to sublease, so I don't know how that works either. 

What you mention is probably pretty standard, and there's certainly good reasons for all of those rules.

I got out of residential rental property several years ago.  All you need is one upset tenent who decides they aren't leaving after their lease is up, they have the law on their side for several months, and then when they do leave in the middle of the night they take a sledge hammer and bust out the tubs.  Oh, joy!!  Commercial rental tenents are different, but typically a little higher class client.

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[Miss Mia]

Well, in all the apartments I lived in, they all used the same lease pretty much.  You can only have guests for so many days.  The apartment complex has to know everyone that lives there, and in the case of roommates you both have to fill out an application to live there.  Also, you cannot sublease without the approval from the complex management beforehand.  I've never needed to sublease, so I don't know how that works either. 

What you mention is probably pretty standard, and there's certainly good reasons for all of those rules.

I got out of residential rental property several years ago.  All you need is one upset tenent who decides they aren't leaving after their lease is up, they have the law on their side for several months, and then when they do leave in the middle of the night they take a sledge hammer and bust out the tubs.  Oh, joy!!  Commercial rental tenents are different, but typically a little higher class client.

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Yeah, but the solution of just leaving the "roommate" off the application isn't acceptable.  The roommate has to be on there, because he's living there as well. 

[USA4ME]

Yeah, but the solution of just leaving the "roommate" off the application isn't acceptable.  The roommate has to be on there, because he's living there as well.

That's up to the property owner.  In the same manner, a mortgage for a home in which you and your husband intend on living can be obtained with only one of you being the applicant.

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[USA4ME]

Thanks for the reminder of his past, BamaMoose & Miss Mia.  This DUmmie and his twinkie pal are just scum.

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[BamaMoose]

Damn, you're good, BamaMoose.

I wish I had your research skills, but I'm still learning.

That is fantastic.

Thanks for the compliment Frank, but it wasn't real hard to dig up.  He seems compelled to tell everyone about his private life.  Kinda like some of your other favorite Primates.

[dandi]

None of this story makes any sense.

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Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

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Welcome sir.

It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.

This has been the story in the past.  I've read it before on DU.  It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it. 

Edited to add:  I managed to find one:

Link

I remember that from CU. I thought BamaMoose's description of the DUmmy sounded familiar. It wouldn't surprise me at all if something related to that isn't the "missing" part of the eviction story.

[Carl]

Great job Mia and BamaMoose.

Might I suggest this thread or parts of it be moved to the DUmping ground at some point so it can stand forever as a testimony to how easily they lie and distort things in an effort to garner sympathy.

[miskie]

..Nothing makes me smile so broadly as when a DUmmy is caught in an act of 'truth manipulation' and the source of that evidence comes from DU.

I suspect the truth to the eviction is closer to this.. Local news station just did a story on sex offender registry, and how to access the database. Out of curiosity, landlord did a search and was horrified to find one living in his building. Using the original lease, the landlord found reason to evict the pair, probably based on false information provided. DUmmy and molester-buddy claim their right to privacy is violated, they find a high price lawyer and lose their money.

[ScubaGuy]

Great job BamaMoose on filling in the rest of the story.

I love how Naturyl was supporting Chester through the thread and then BAM he gets hit with some reality.

REP  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Aug-21-08 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #128
140. There may be 'Megan's Law' issues the lanlord doesn't want to deal with
   
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 04:29 AM by REP
The felon the OP mentions his roommate has is a sex offense. If this is a large complex, the management/landlord may not want to have to inform the other tenants as required under 'Megan's Law'-type requirements, which would risk losing many tenants to gain just one.

Naturyl (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Aug-21-08 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #140
142. Ay-yi-yi...
   
Sex offense, eh? Great. The editing period on my supportive, encouraging posts has expired... so that's now on the public record... ugh. Super-duper. One more reason to fear the Google.

Gotta love the internet and my own damned propensity to jump into things I don't know enough about.

And yeah, I did read the linked post. We're told the hand just "flopped over?" Just flopped right on over there and a conviction was obtained on no more evidence than that? Yeah... not even gonna say anything else. I've gotten myself in enough trouble as it is.

[asdf2231]

kgfnally  (1000+ posts)       Thu May-19-05 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
106. Don't you know it!
 This kid that accused my husband is getting his- went to juvie for drugs and a couple other offenses, violent ones IIRC.

He's getting what was coming to him, but my husband is still on the registry for no good reason.

(the kid testified my husband was SLEEPING and his hand DIDN'T move once it flopped over onto the kid's "groin area". By the way, did you know that one of the criteria for sexual abuse in MI is "touching a minor child between the knee and the groin"? No explanation of what's a "proper" touch. It's been explained to us by his probation officer at the time that this actually means ANY touch. That may have been a lie.)

Well THANK GOD the kid his "Husband" molested "Got what was coming to him"...

This guy is a sick ****.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Pete A. Phile is falsely and maliciously accuse of being a toucher and punished only through a misscarriage of justice.

Pete A. Phile and his gullible/accessory whiner BF are falsely and maliciously accused of selling drugs and only punished through a miscarriage of justice.

Is it just me or is there a pattern emerging?

[asdf2231]

Pete A. Phile is falsely and maliciously accuse of being a toucher and punished only through a misscarriage of justice.

Pete A. Phile and his gullible/accessory whiner BF are falsely and maliciously accused of selling drugs and only punished through a miscarriage of justice.

Is it just me or is there a pattern emerging?

Well what the hell is the poor Child Molestor SUPPOSED to do if society insists on punishing him for being a child molestor?!

He might have been absolutely FORCED into selling drugs because he can't find honest work. 

These two douchebags DESERVE each other.

[franksolich]

Oh my.

That bonfire is just really big, but seems to have expired.

It expired at the point where scubaguy here, above, quoted.

[asdf2231]

REP  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-21-08 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #128
140. There may be 'Megan's Law' issues the lanlord doesn't want to deal with
 Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 04:29 AM by REP
The felon the OP mentions his roommate has is a sex offense. If this is a large complex, the management/landlord may not want to have to inform the other tenants as required under 'Megan's Law'-type requirements, which would risk losing many tenants to gain just one.

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 Naturyl (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-21-08 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #140
142. Ay-yi-yi...
 Sex offense, eh? Great. The editing period on my supportive, encouraging posts has expired... so that's now on the public record... ugh. Super-duper. One more reason to fear the Google.

Gotta love the internet and my own damned propensity to jump into things I don't know enough about.

And yeah, I did read the linked post. We're told the hand just "flopped over?" Just flopped right on over there and a conviction was obtained on no more evidence than that? Yeah... not even gonna say anything else. I've gotten myself in enough trouble as it is.

SouthernVoter (11 posts)      Thu Aug-21-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #140
151. The other shoe drops!
 Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 11:56 AM by SouthernVoter
A credit check could be part of overall background check. I could see how the landlord is just lumping it all into one statement.

If the felony is a sex offense, then I can see a huge red flag in a complex.

It is not the landlord's responsibility to find out the circumstances of the sex offense, he just sees felony sex offender and that is it.

I can't blame the landlord for not wanting that liability in today's litigious world.

Also, it is not out of the question that the current landlord found out about the sex offense and used that to evict them quickly from their apartment. I haven't seen a lease in awhile, but I am sure there are terms that allow for that.

 
oooopsies...

[jtyangel]

kgfnally  (1000+ posts)       Thu May-19-05 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
106. Don't you know it!
 This kid that accused my husband is getting his- went to juvie for drugs and a couple other offenses, violent ones IIRC.

He's getting what was coming to him, but my husband is still on the registry for no good reason.

(the kid testified my husband was SLEEPING and his hand DIDN'T move once it flopped over onto the kid's "groin area". By the way, did you know that one of the criteria for sexual abuse in MI is "touching a minor child between the knee and the groin"? No explanation of what's a "proper" touch. It's been explained to us by his probation officer at the time that this actually means ANY touch. That may have been a lie.)

Well THANK GOD the kid his "Husband" molested "Got what was coming to him"...

This guy is a sick ****.

He is indeed. I don't suppose he figured the child has the problems he does due to his 'husbands' behavior while he was his stepfather. 

[Lauri]

I use a cold and heartless property management company.  They go over the applicants credit with a fine toothed comb.  They actually call references, and will talk to your current neighbors about you.

I love these guys, they are meaner than wet cats.  They even have a $500 deductible for appliance repair (tenant pays first $500) in the fine print of the leases.

my daughter just rented her first apartment (on her own without our help) and I was amazed at what a background check they did. the complex called absolutely everybody; me, her dad, her in laws to be, her work - they even called her college to see if she was full or part time and if she was paid up on her school loans. They checked her credit, but they told her they would.

 and it took four full business days.. i havent rented in a long, long time. I had no idea it was like that these days.. but good for them; its their property and they want to make sure they arent letting deadbeats in the door.

if it were *my* property, I'd do no less.

[Chris]

What's a grown man doing sharing a bed with a minor? 

[lastparker]

It is not the landlord's responsibility to find out the circumstances of the sex offense, he just sees felony sex offender and that is it.

I can't blame the landlord for not wanting that liability in today's litigious world.

Yeah, "liability" concerns!  That pesky liability!

It never occurs to the DUmmy that maybe, just maybe, the Landlord cares about the safety of his tenants.

And something else fishy - he and his "roommate" have been living together for 10 years, yet the victimized stepson is still young enough to be going to "juvie"?  They work fast, these moonbats.

[comradebillyboy]

None of this story makes any sense.

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Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

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Welcome sir.

It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.

This has been the story in the past.  I've read it before on DU.  It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it. 

Thanx lady!

I am DYING to know the back story here.

I managed to find one. 

link


I remembered this story because it was so fishy sounding.

mighty fine research Miss Mia