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kgfnally  (1000+ posts)       Wed Aug-20-08 06:04 PM
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My best friend and roommate of ten years might be homeless next week. We have to move; someone called in a false drug trafficking tip on me and my roommate, our current landlord panicked, and evicted us. We have until *a week from Friday* to leave.

No arrests were made and no charges have been filed. Yes, I got a lawyer- to the tune of a $7500 bank loan- and he's done us no good that I can discern.

In any case, I've been accepted as a tenant in a new place, but my roommate's credit is (and has been since his divorce) completely shot. They're thinking about rejecting his application to be on the lease, even though I make $50K+ a year, and can easily afford the rent for a two-bedroom place on my own. If they reject him, he can't live there, even though I can pay rent on my own. If the three-day-in-writing-turned-ten-day-long application doesn't go through for him, my best friend, the only person I can trust (including my own family), will be homeless, strictly and for no other reason than his credit score.

His credit score! And he's NOT applying for a loan- this is a roof over his head we're talking about!

This has to end. Somehow. Personally, I don't think landlords should be able to examine credit scores at all, since there's not necessarily a connection between a person's credit score and their ability to pay rent. A credit score could have been forever ruined years ago (the seven year rule be damned; we all know there's no practical truth to that)- where can such a person live?

Should I just drop him from the application and clandestinely move him in with me? THAT sets me up for being evicted when the landlord finds out he's living there. But I just cannot, I CANNOT, leave my very best friend homeless.

I guess I need some advice. The place we want to move into has dicked us around for multiples of the length of time they put in writing as being the application process. Rental applications cost cash- $20 to $25 each- and I just don't have a couple hundred extra bucks lying around to fork over, just to be told "no, sorry, you both can't live here".

Why are landlords so willing to contribute to the homeless population, anyway? Why can they? Since when is a person's credit rating connected to their ability to pay rent?

In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.

This is wrong on so many levels, and I have very little time to deal with it. I already called the management company and left a message basically- without sayin so- begging them to accept his rental application. But- I should not have to do this!

I can pay the rent AND the bills, on my own. HE has disability income. WHY is his credit score any issue at all?

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kgfnally  (1000+ posts)       Wed Aug-20-08 06:26 PM
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1) We tried. The lawyer said that fighting the eviction could prompt the prosecutor to file some charge or other, even if it's bullshit, to pressure us to leave. That's SOP in this town. They gave our landlord a letter mentioning 'asset forfeiture', and he panicked. Again, this is SOP for these creeps.

2) It's a corporation that runs the place. No negotiation is possible. I might try tomorrow morning, because their offices are close by, but I sincerely doubt I'll get anywhere.

Your final paragraph: THEY KNOW I could pay the rent on my own. They've seen my pay stubs. I work for USPS, full-time, as a regular, not a casual or a part-timer. Money, quite clearly, is NOT the issue here. Perversely, I can't cosign for him, since I'm an applicant.

It feels like they just don't want low-credit tenants. That smacks of rather blatant housing discrimination. And again- what of their student tenants, who are 18-19-20 years old, and don't HAVE established credit?
Last I knew the PROSECUTORS OFFICE didn't really work hand in hand with the landlord association to help them evict people...

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kgfnally  (1000+ posts)       Wed Aug-20-08 06:50 PM
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32. If you're not willing to take someone who makes $50K a year, and his roommate,
 based on his roommate's credit, you deserve the worst publicity possible.

And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.


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kgfnally  (1000+ posts)       Wed Aug-20-08 07:01 PM
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37. Up until now I've been helping to keep that from happening to him.
 What I don't understand is why MY income and credit isn't sufficient to cover HIM. It's not as if I can't pay the rent without him. I can.

I'm NOT willing to make my best friend part of the homeless population in this town.

He "fell" because his ex-wife wanted him gone from her life. I won't go into how it happened- that's a separate flame war in and of itself- but suffice to say that what happened to him is scary as hell, and I'm the only one willing to try to mitigate the damage.

But I feel like I've played my last card. I don't know what to do. I can't bear the thought of cutting my best friend loose to let the wind blow him where it will. I wouldn't be able to live with myself- and he very well might suicide if that happens. He's that unbalanced- because of the divorce and everything that happened at that time.

I might write another thread about his situation after this is all over with, one way or another. The sick part is- I'm NOT worried about myself. I can handle getting a new place; most landlords would kill to have me as a tenant. Unlike many renters, I have job security, I have no criminal record, and I have good credit. That's not necessarily true for all tenants, but THEY still get to have a place to live.

I'm running out of options. A cosigner for him might work, if they accept it. I'll know tomorrow.



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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 06:17:33 PM »
It's a BS Screed.

Number one if there exists a current lease the landlord needs to show cause for eviction. Someone says someone done did something ain't enough.Number Two unless evictions are processed duifferent in Liberalville than here in Texas their is no Prosector,it's the Tenemt,The landlord and a Justice of the peace, You can have legelrepresentation if you so desire but usually not worth the cost.
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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 06:39:05 PM »
As a landlord of several properties I can certainly answer a lot of these questions and I could give a lot of insight into this but .... I choose not to.  I will answer one thing for the DUmmie though.

DUmmie, if you are lurking, reading this thread and you REALLY want to know what I think of your 50k annual salary;

SCREW THAT.  I don't give a damn if you make $500,000 annually and you are trying to rent someplace the lease is $500.00/month on.  What am I to do if you are making $500k and spending $510k BEFORE rent?!  I have pulled credit on a BUNCH of folks simply to find out where their money is going.  Capeche'?  If you are spending more than you make it doesn't matter if you have a good credit score or not.  My job is to protect what I have and if I pull credit I can see if you are spending more than you make.  Not to mention those with low credit are usually more of a problem.  It is a case by case basis though.

Oh well, that is just part of what I see here.....good luck with the rest.  I might suggest you find someone renting homes rather than apartments though.  You remove the corporate (zero tolerance laws) idea and can have a fresh look by an individual ...... hehe  You have to get away from the liberal ideas of "it must be done this way".

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 06:42:59 PM »
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And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.

I have read some DUmb things before, but that is in the top (or bottom) 10% of the DUmbest things a DUmmy has ever said. Of COURSE there is a correlation between bad credit and paying rent -- in fact it is close to 1:1. As as soon to be landlord, if I couldn't credit check my potential tenants, I would rather allow my place to lie fallow than rent to a bad risk.

If Landlords could not run credit checks there would be NO rental property available.

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 06:50:29 PM »
It's a BS Screed.

Number one if there exists a current lease the landlord needs to show cause for eviction. Someone says someone done did something ain't enough.Number Two unless evictions are processed duifferent in Liberalville than here in Texas their is no Prosector,it's the Tenemt,The landlord and a Justice of the peace, You can have legelrepresentation if you so desire but usually not worth the cost.

Possession of drugs, as established by using civil standards, is enough to break a lease and begin eviction.  The courts in almost all jurisdictions see that as a material breach.  That can make a standard stretched out eviction happen in a hurry.

Of course, civil standards are "more likely than not."  Certainly an unsupported statement doesn't rise to this level, but a few incidents, a couple of neighbors willing to swear they saw a doobie or two -- more than enough.


 
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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
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My best friend and roommate of ten years might be homeless next week. We have to move; someone called in a false drug trafficking tip on me and my roommate, our current landlord panicked, and evicted us. We have until *a week from Friday* to leave.

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The landlord panicked ? The landlord ?

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Speaking of "panicked" , can you imagine the poor DUmmie running about trying to flush his stash when he saw the cops pull up out front  :-) .

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 07:00:51 PM »
I figure the cops got called by a neighbor who was probably sick of the contact high he was getting from the dope smoke seeping through the walls from next door.

Either that or his "Best Friend" was dealing out of the place.




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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 07:07:47 PM »

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And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.


Dumb, dumb, dumb!!!!

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If the guy's credit is irreparable....he's probably got child support issues. It's the only thing that is insurmountable.

Even with a bankruptcy on a credit report, you can buy a house after a year, if you've brought your credit score up. Otherwise, credit can usually be straightened out within a year with on time payments, no judgements, or liens.
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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 07:19:04 PM »

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And, landlord credit checks SHOULD be illegal. There is not necessarily a connection between bad credit and ability to pay rent; the one does not equal the other. Things unrelated to housing can cause bad credit; as such, landlords should not be able to consider credit ratings in the first place.


Dumb, dumb, dumb!!!!

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If the guy's credit is irreparable....he's probably got child support issues. It's the only thing that is insurmountable.

Even with a bankruptcy on a credit report, you can buy a house after a year, if you've brought your credit score up. Otherwise, credit can usually be straightened out within a year with on time payments, no judgements, or liens.


Around here the norm is 2 yrs from date of discharge.. Naturally there are rare exceptions to the norm .Then again they will only allow the exception if you got verifiable documented support for the exception Also the exception does come with a price  :evillaugh:
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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 07:28:42 PM »
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.

At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 07:38:18 PM »
You need to keep in mind one of the fundamental characteristics of all DUmmies, as postulated by the inestimable franksolich: They lie, all the time, they lie. Most likely this one is the case of a couple small time weed merchants who've been tossed from their crib due to an illegal possession arrest. Now they're trying to get a new lease in the midst of an unresolved drug case. Landlords are for some reason reluctant to enter into a contract with customers who may soon be provided free room and board by the taxpayers for a few months. I have a hunch that credit scores have little, if anything, to do with this DUmmy's problems.

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 07:52:15 PM »
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.

At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.

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His "roommate" is a felon.  The story is that the "roommate" was sleeping on the sofa, absolutely innocently and the wife (at the time, now an ex) said that he molested his son.  Then she brainwashed the son and they filed charges and "roommate" did some time I believe.

I've seen the story is various flame wars that kgfnally has started when he rails against cities imposing limits on where registered sex offenders can live. 

I'm not sure if they're gay though. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 07:57:55 PM »
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.

At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.

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His "roommate" is a felon.  The story is that the "roommate" was sleeping on the sofa, absolutely innocently and the wife (at the time, now an ex) said that he molested his son.  Then she brainwashed the son and they filed charges and "roommate" did some time I believe.

I've seen the story is various flame wars that kgfnally has started when he rails against cities imposing limits on where registered sex offenders can live. 

I'm not sure if they're gay though. 

I generally don't want to make judgment calls but ..... 10 years?!  TEN YEARS of living together .... I dunno.  You think they are teh ghey?

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2008, 08:00:39 PM »
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In ten years living together, we have never once been late paying rent. Tis is the first time we've been evicted, and it happened because someone called in a false anon tip to our area's drug enforcement team specifically to get us evicted.

At least it hasn't claimed discrimination because they are ghey.

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His "roommate" is a felon.  The story is that the "roommate" was sleeping on the sofa, absolutely innocently and the wife (at the time, now an ex) said that he molested his son.  Then she brainwashed the son and they filed charges and "roommate" did some time I believe.

I've seen the story is various flame wars that kgfnally has started when he rails against cities imposing limits on where registered sex offenders can live. 

I'm not sure if they're gay though. 

I generally don't want to make judgment calls but ..... 10 years?!  TEN YEARS of living together .... I dunno.  You think they are teh ghey?

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2008, 08:09:11 PM »
I dunno,never have had to worry about any kind of drug trafficing charge against me and if someone did I have no worries about the outcome.

Nobody with half a brain (rules out DUmmies) would believe for a second this tale without realizing a lot has been left out.

It is classic for what a small child does when caught redhanded doing something wrong but since that is the emotional and maturity level of the primitives,no surprise.

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2008, 08:13:09 PM »
Nobody with half a brain (rules out DUmmies) would believe for a second this tale without realizing a lot has been left out.

Damn, you're good, sir.

In the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants with free medical care for all, you probably would've been one of those able to read between the lines, to discern what was really going on.

Keep it up!

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2008, 09:35:56 PM »
If in fact they are looking at a corporate owned apartment building, or any rental property that may come under the "watchful eye" of HUD....Equal Housing Opportunity states "It is illegal to discriminate against any person because of race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status, or national origin."

Anyone who publicly advertises they have a property for rent, is subject to this law.

This law protects gays, people with AIDS (it is a "protected class").

Exception to this law are housing developments specifically for people of a certain age...ie. retirement communities.

One of the ways that apartment complexes or property management companies are "propecting" themselves, is through the credit check and references. And by making all individuals living in the dwelling, on the lease, regardless of whether or not they are contributing to the rent monies.

As far as getting a mortgage loan with a bankruptcy, the shortest amount of time after the bankruptcy is 1 year. There are companies who will loan money, however it is at a much higher interest rate. Most companies will allow the borrower to refinance after 12-24 months, though some will require 36 months. They will do the refinance based on payment history, often without any other documentation.

Failure to pay child support, if filed through the court system, never comes off of a credit report. It can be a long term "kiss of death"...on the theory that if a parent will not contribute to a child's well-being, particularly when the support payment failure is documented in the court system....not only is it breaking the law, but basically the parent is considered a "dead beat" and a huge credit risk that a mortgage company is not willing to lend a large sum of money to. If the child support payment goes through the court system, many will report "lates" to the credit bureau's when the payment is more than 30 days late. It is one way the courts try to insure that payments are made. Late child support payments, even when made, will bring down a credit score. I don't know of any reputable lender who will loan money to someone who has "failed to pay child support" on their credit report. Keep in mind, payments not paid through the court system, or a spouse not reporting failure to pay to the court if the payment goes directly to spouse, are not reported to the credit bureau.
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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2008, 10:29:22 PM »
None of this story makes any sense.

He claims that it's an unproven tip and no charges were filed, but he spent whatever savings he had, plus took a $7500 loan, to hire a lawyer?  That's pretty high-price talent when no one is even accused of a crime.  And later in the thread he talks about agreeing to accept his eviction during a pretrial conference.  Um...trial for what?  I thought no charges were filed.  And he claims that his roommate still has bad credit ten years after his divorce?  And that somehow his credit is so horrid that he can't even get an apartment.  Gotta be more to this story...I wonder if checking the DU archives will yield any clues.

Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

Why do I think the story is more like:
The DUmmy's boyfriend was either hiding from the sex offender registry or committed another crime against a child.  The cops hauled him away and as a condition of his bail he needs to vacate the residence, due to proximity to children.  The DUmmy is mystified that he can't easily find an apartment complex that wants to rent to a child molester.

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2008, 10:36:19 PM »
Damn, you're good, BamaMoose.

I wish I had your research skills, but I'm still learning.

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2008, 10:43:32 PM »
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In any case, I've been accepted as a tenant in a new place, but my roommate's credit is (and has been since his divorce) completely shot. They're thinking about rejecting his application to be on the lease, even though I make $50K+ a year, and can easily afford the rent for a two-bedroom place on my own.

So leave him off the lease and you be the only applicant.  Problem solved.  Then you and tinkerbelle the child molestor can work out how your going to split the expenses and then you can spend the evenings buggering each other at your apartment.

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
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In any case, I've been accepted as a tenant in a new place, but my roommate's credit is (and has been since his divorce) completely shot. They're thinking about rejecting his application to be on the lease, even though I make $50K+ a year, and can easily afford the rent for a two-bedroom place on my own.

So leave him off the lease and you be the only applicant.  Problem solved.  Then you and tinkerbelle the child molestor can work out how your going to split the expenses and then you can spend the evenings buggering each other at your apartment.

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Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.

And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.

And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.




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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2008, 10:53:28 PM »
None of this story makes any sense.

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Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2008, 11:02:50 PM »
None of this story makes any sense.

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Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

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Welcome sir.

It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.

This has been the story in the past.  I've read it before on DU.  It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it. 

Edited to add:  I managed to find one:

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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2008, 11:05:55 PM »
None of this story makes any sense.

...

Well I'll be.  There is more to the story.

They aren't roommates.  They're a queer couple.
His "roommate" wasn't always gay.  He was married, until he decided to molest his stepson.  Of course the charges were trumped up.  But, of course, he plead guilty, and, apparently, after molesting a little boy he decided he preferred men over women.
It appears his "roommate" isn't disabled.  He just can't get a job, because no one wants to hire a child molester.

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Welcome sir.

It is very customary to post links especially considering the severity of the claims.

This has been the story in the past.  I've read it before on DU.  It's been a while, but I'll see if I can find a thread with it. 

Thanx lady!

I am DYING to know the back story here. :)




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Re: Eviction woes from a DUmmy who may (or may not be) a drug dealer...
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2008, 11:06:12 PM »
Ah but that would be an ilegal sublet.

And Chester The Molester probably needs a fixed address to list with the State.

And since MOST rental places are NOT cool with POS Child Molesters it becomes apparant why this Nutmeat is in such a pickle.

Not quite sure I'm following you on this.  If kgfnally is the leasee and Chester is simply living there, then he does have a fixed address.

But I'm not aware of any State that has laws which tell the owner of the property if he can or cannot permit subletting.  Now if the property owner has rules regarding subletting, that's a different matter.

Certainly the property owner has the right to refuse to rent based upon certain criteria, past criminal record being one of those areas.

I'm more inclined at this point to believe that Chester has to be registered with the State and the apartments they desire are too close to a school or something.

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