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2. People Control, Not Gun Control


This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.

2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.

3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.

4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)

5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.

6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.

7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).


8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home.
Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.


9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.


10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:32 PM
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3. These are so eminently sensible that there's

almost no chance they'll happen.

And yeah, there are all sorts of restrictions on driving a car or practicing as a doctor. Guns is the only thing that too many people demand be totally unfettered.

"eminently sensible", how pompous .  :rotf:

What about abortion clinics, voting? Don't tell me you demand them to be totally unfettered?!

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my standard reply to this kind of stuff is:

Speech has killed many more people than guns.

Before applying restrictions on the 2nd Amendment, apply THE SAME RESTRICTIONS on the 1st Amendment.

But for these fascists they would probably agree with the assumptions THEY would be the ones applying the rules, not on the receiving end of them.

They are stupid that way.
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Turn that around to being able to vote.

If that could happen, then I might go tit for tat with gun ownership. Otherwise, "Cold dead hands, surrounded by brass....and some polymer coated steel."
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Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities.


License is no big deal, that is unless it is to be used for voting identification.  How about extending the 2nd amendment rights the same courtesy of voting rights and no ID.
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So Sancho Panza thinks it entirely reasonable for gun owners to give government God knows how many ways to deny every citizen the right to own a gun, plus the information necessary to confiscate all guns and round up gun owners?

I think most gun owners understand that "common sense gun control" means confiscation.
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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:40 PM
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4. I wish all gun owners could see your list.

Common sense.
I've seen the stupid list and I think it's every bit as stupid as the planetc primitive's progressive vision for the future where people can't own land--same as the giraffes.

These stupid shitgibbons have a common sense plan for everything, always predestined for failure.
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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:32 PM
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3. These are so eminently sensible that there's

almost no chance they'll happen.
Newsflash there, Poindexter: most of this has already happened at the state or federal level, particularly in your most gun-restricted places.

1, 2, and 3 are already the case in most states for carrying of a handgun. While a few states have rolled back restrictions now, certainly ever since handgun carry permits started gaining popularity in the '90s, all or at least most of these requirements have been in place. Now, that doesn't address shotguns or rifles, but the simple fact is that out of all criminal uses of a gun in the United States (whether there was a shooting, whether the shooting resulted in death or not), relatively few involved a rifle or a shotgun.  So, unsurprisingly, the dindu who points his gat sideways at the clerk emptying the register of $53 did not legally get a permit for that gun, nor did he legally obtain that gun.

4 has been federal law for handguns for many decades now. Somehow, making it illegal for a dindu who is 15 years old to run around with a gun and stick up convenience markets didn't manage to actually keep the dindu from getting a gun and sticking up convenience markets.

5 is a little silly as a concept, but it's worth noting that the NRA and the USCCA, at least, have something at least akin to this as a part of one's membership.  So, I say let's do it, because your own suggestion, Retardo, will drive NRA membership right through the roof.

6 has been tried and accomplished nothing.

7 is already the law, essentially, pretty much everywhere: if you illegally possess a gun, you're going to lose that gun and go to jail.  Here's the dirty little secret, Retardo: those laws are virtually never enforced because of plea bargaining.  So when Joachim Dindunuffin sticks up a convenience store and gets caught, while he should get jail time for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime, he in fact gets those charges dropped in a plea bargain giving him just three years for armed robbery instead of the three plus ten for the use of the gun.  You Leftists aren't willing to put Joachim in jail for the extra ten years because Joachim is Black, so applying the law evenly to him is racist.

8 is the law in most places.  But then you are too damned dumb to understand this.  If you have a gun, unloaded and disassembled, in the trunk of your car and get pulled over for a taillight out in Philadelphia, they still send you to prison for that "crime" if you're white. If you're Black and you shoot a Philadelphia cop in the head because he's a cop, they set up vigils to ensure that you never get the death penalty that you so justly deserve.  And I know of nowhere in the United States where it is not illegal to possess a gun in public when one is intoxicated or under the influence of drugs, even if you're under the influence of those drugs legally (e.g. an Rx for some sort of narcotic).

9, thankfully, is not the law in most places.  And yet in the places where it is the law, there is still a huge amount of gun crime.  Weird how that doesn't seem to work out well to prevent gun crime.  It's almost as if criminals aren't deterred by gun laws or something.

10 is already the law in many places, including most particularly California, and yet it somehow didn't stop deranged Leftists like the one who shot up Santa Barbara from carrying out their crimes.

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Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities.

My ass.  Every place that follows that path ends up making them more and more difficult to get and if the cops ever do show up for ANY reason, the person with the license gets SWATted, and on top of all that, those places want to ALSO know about every gun and re-do background checks every time one is transferred in or out.  If the license was just a certificate of background screening to certify you weren't disqualified, so no SN reporting of transactions was required - and nothing more - you 'tards might be able to sell some of the weaker-minded gun people on it, but you can't help but let your 'Total serial number control and ultimate confiscation' scheme show through the BS safety camouflage. 
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1.) Anyone in possession of marijuana should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.

2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for marijuana usage. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent weed-worthyness.

3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course on the dangers of marijuana abuse.

4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Your license might be restricted if you have children or animals or others that might be harmed by marijuana use or ingestion.

5.) If you possess marijuana, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for marijuana usage - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.

6.) You could not purchase marijuana without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.

7.) If you possess marijuana without a license, you go to jail, the marijuana is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).


8.) No one should carry marijuana when outside of home.

9.) If you buy or sell, marijuana, your license information should be recorded.

10.) If you commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, etc., you should lose your license and marijuana until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.


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I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training.

BS, the NRA still focuses on training for members. They are still capable of watching congress and other local governments to watch out for gun owners.

The NRA pushes for enforcing current laws, which is one of the big problems.

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             Sancho (5,997 posts)
2. People Control, Not Gun Control


This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training.     
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They say they want "common sense" gun reforms.

As for common sense immigration policies, they'll have none of that.

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I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training.

This (D)Ummie should count his blessings and be thankful that there was a wishy washy moderate nra to buffer the issue, because they would not like the alternative.



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my standard reply to this kind of stuff is:

Speech has killed many more people than guns.

Before applying restrictions on the 2nd Amendment, apply THE SAME RESTRICTIONS on the 1st Amendment.

But for these fascists they would probably agree with the assumptions THEY would be the ones applying the rules, not on the receiving end of them.

They are stupid that way.
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